HopefulMid19
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Are Senators able to have more than one nominated applicant go to a single service academy each year?
Yes!
Each MOC (House and Senate) may have no more than 5 "designated appointees" at any academy at any one time. HOWEVER...they may nominate up to 10 folks per opening.
True story...our senior senator (since retired) once nominated 20 folks for the 2 openings he was going fill. After all was said and done, 2 of the 20 were appointed, as the law requires.
HOWEVER...12 of his other nominees were selected from the "qualified alternates" pool! So he actually had 14 appointments in one cycle!!
He wrote all his ALO's a very nice thank you letter for their records!
Steve
USAFA ALO
USAFA '83
ALL qualified alternates go into a "pool." As to how many appointments are available; that will depend upon how many of the "mandated by law" appointments are to be filled. Once all of those are gone, then whatever the academy needs to bring the class up to full strength will come from the qualified alternates.
Steve
USAFA ALO
USAFA '83
When USNA chooses applicants from the national pool, is geography still a factor or is it based on their ranking from the wcs? My thoughts are MOC slates covers the geography portion. Sorry if this has been answered before.
From a national pool perspective, than it is the WCS, geography does not matter regarding appointments. Someone will correct me if I am wrong.When USNA chooses applicants from the national pool, is geography still a factor or is it based on their ranking from the wcs? My thoughts are MOC slates covers the geography portion. Sorry if this has been answered before.
I don't know if your fingers have recovered from your posts here but let me ask you this - don't you think that the WCS is not the only metric what about sex, race and athletics (although this is prob included of the WCS)? and for those who want to immediately discount these factors how else would one explain the difference in the % of females at USCGA than the others SA? and btw I am from VA 11 and my DS is currently 3rd class AFA.From a national pool perspective, than it is the WCS, geography does not matter regarding appointments. Someone will correct me if I am wrong.
That being said it may appear more are appointed from MD and VA, but what needs to be understood is that the academically, at least for No. VA (1 hour away), their schools (Fairfax) are insanely competitive. Fairfax county school budget is bigger than the bottom 8 states in the nation. The avg SAT best sitting is 1300+. Best sitting, not super score. Their HSs are always listed in USNWR, Fortune, Money, Time, etc. Many of their parents have some type of connection to the military (AD, retired, Defense Contractor, GS) and have spent years preparing for this path, compared to a kid from Butte, MT. Nothing against their school system,just saying you need to dig deeper than just making an assumption because 8 out of the 10 on the MD/VA slate got an appointed due to geography. A lot has to do with the school system and the school profile.
~ Valedictorian, and NHS is one thing. There are @2000 HS in the nation. Attending a HS where 25% go Ivy and you are in the top 15% says something more to them compared to a HS candidate that is top 15% and 1% go Ivy from a school rigor perspective. That top 15% candidate in a 25% Ivy selection states to them that the school doesn't hand our As like candy on Halloween. Whereas, the top 15% candidate that has only 1% go Ivy (their equivalent) says something different.
It is not my intention to divert this thread, however since we are talking geographical aspects, for lurkers and posters class of USNA or any SA 2020, I think it is important to understand the difference between Plan B (ROTC scholarship) and SAs regarding the first hurdle.
SAs are geographical from minute one. Your Congressional and Senatorial district matters in the very beginning. You start from the small pool...MOC {Cong/Sen. To National). Your intended major is not a player in the equation. For AF/NROTC your intended major matters regarding the scholarship. There are other specific answers that come in to play....AFROTC does not super score, A/NROTC does. AF and NROTC give 80-85%+ of scholarships to STEM majors. AFROTC doesn't tie the scholarship to the college, AR/NROTC does. NROTC meets a lot more than any branch.
For every ROTC scholarship offered Geographical location matters naught! They operate in the opposite. They couldn't care less if the 1000 scholarships offered were offered only to GA residents. They are looking at a national pool, they do not spread the wealth across the nation. Highest WCS wins, just like the SAs.
I don't know about USMA and USNA, but for USAFA and AFROTC, those boards do not talk. USAFA meets in CO. And AFROTC meets in Maxwell Alabama. USAFA does not know AFROTC scholarship results, and AFROTC does not USAFA appointment results. There are many candidates that get a AFROTC scholarship, no appointment and many that get USAFA appointment and no scholarship.
Why? Because in my personal pea brain opinion, the way the system works from a finesse perspective.
If you look at the ROTC scholarship awards, it is the exact same amount statistically as an appointment 16-18%.
I am no way, shape or form saying they are comparable regarding their academics or lifestyle for the 4 years at an SA or in ROTC.
~~ You can't compare it. An SA cadet/mid has a much different life because it is 24/7 while school is in session, and typically will have their breaks Dilled with other training opportunities, that ROTC kids don't.
I am just saying many posters will get a TWE from their perspective ROTC boards and get a BFE from the SA. Conversely, many posters will get a BFE and TWE dfrom ROTC.
It all comes down to filling the right squares.
~ Valedictorian from MOC Timbucktoo may equate to an appointment. However that valedictorian wants to major in underwater basketweaving will result in no scholarship.
I don't know if your fingers have recovered from your posts here but let me ask you this - don't you think that the WCS is not the only metric what about sex, race and athletics (although this is prob included of the WCS)? and for those who want to immediately discount these factors how else would one explain the difference in the % of females at USCGA than the others SA? and btw I am from VA 11 and my DS is currently 3rd class AFA.
If the mission is more attractive to females then maybe more female applicants to the school but not sure how that equates to a significantly higher percentage of appointments- it may account for some but not all the delta. Furthermore, has the mission change in 20 years or so such that it was once not attractive, but now is? The fact that no nomination is require should not be a factor since nominations are not gender specific rather are merit based.