“Paper Review” only of MOC Nom packets???

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I am reading old threads and I can’t quite believe what I’m seeing!!! People have gotten nominations from their senators without an interview and little to no communication from them?? They refer to this as “paper reviews” and they found out in their portals that a nomination was given !?! Any comments from people who experienced this?? 😳😳😳 ( and yes I KNOW there can be 535 different variations of MOC nominations 😍😍)
 
I am reading old threads and I can’t quite believe what I’m seeing!!! People have gotten nominations from their senators without an interview and little to no communication from them?? They refer to this as “paper reviews” and they found out in their portals that a nomination was given !?! Any comments from people who experienced this?? [emoji15][emoji15][emoji15] ( and yes I KNOW there can be 535 different variations of MOC nominations [emoji7][emoji7])

Our 2 senators did not interview. In their letters to my DD, they said they each had over 350 applicants. That would be a lot of kids to interview. Maybe MOCs’ review panel whittle down the list (if they did decide to interview) by paper review and maybe bring in 20-30 for their coveted noms.

Our rep did do an interview. Her panel did it on only one weekend. Her pool was obviously much small than that of our senators. It was the rep who called my DD to tell her of her appointment.
 
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Absolutely! Depends on the state.
TX has over 800 per Senator.
Neither do interviews; they do coordinate, and you are very lucky to get one nom.
That's why one has 8 essay/short answers so they can "see who you are" b/c there are no interviews.

MOC differs based on "competitiveness", with that word being defined as volume of applicants. They may or may not coordinate with Senators, and they may or may not depending on specific candidates each year.
 
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Regarding MOCs, in the past DD's district did not have interviews - they never filled the slates.
This year they indicated they wanted to - but who knows. We haven't heard anything yet.
 
Is there anyway to figure out if a MOC interviews all, some, or none? We have heard we are in a very competitive district. He has interviews scheduled with panels for all of his MOC (2senators and one rep.). I do not know if he will actually meet the MOC or not at these interviews. We just assumed that this was normal and everyone was interviewed. I guess if he makes it through the other side we will learn if only some of candidates were interviewed or if they did it for all. This entire process is so different and difficult to predict.
 
PA... both Senators interview all candidates that submit complete packages. The one panel travels across state while the other does centrally at a Guard base. They do coordinate with the reps.
 
FL, for the 2019 Cycle, one Senator and our Representative both interviewed, the second Senator did a "paper" review and I am supposing that he nominated according to the ranking assigned after review. The Senatorial interview was a zoo, it was done over two days at a central location in the State, there were four separate "Panels", one for each Academy, they interviewed the top 40 (I am guessing here) candidates for each SA. I based this on 2 interviews an hour X 10 hours a day X 2 days. There was no option for remote interviews, you had to attend. Our Representative did their interviews on one day, had one panel, no remote interviews, and I am guessing did the top 20 candidates as ranked by the panel. All notified about a month after the interviews/review were complete, via letter.
 
The NJ Senators hold joint interviews and all who file packages get interviewed. This year, there are 347 scheduled for interviews.
 
Is there anyway to figure out if a MOC interviews all, some, or none?


Even if you could find out, not clear how that makes any difference to an applicant or what they might do differently as a result. Each MOC runs their own NOM process. There is no requirement that everyone is interviewed and MOC's who gets large numbers of applicants many only choose to interview the ones they perceive as top candidates.
 
Even if you could find out, not clear how that makes any difference to an applicant or what they might do differently as a result. Each MOC runs their own NOM process. There is no requirement that everyone is interviewed and MOC's who gets large numbers of applicants many only choose to interview the ones they perceive as top candidates.
Thank you. Yes, I know it does not make a difference but I'm genuinely curious and trying my best to find some information to normalize this process for a first timer who is coming late to the game! I was just trying to figure out if this was a good sign that the field has narrowed a little for my son or if he is still facing the same huge field with such long odds. It doesn't impact him or his preparation for his interviews at all but with each hurdle cleared in this process, he is getting more and more disengaged with putting his best applications forward for plans b/c/d. He has application fatigue made more difficult by the fact that he has his heart and mind set on one goal; to serve as an officer in the US Army. We keep trying to insert the dose of reality but it is difficult to gauge how competitive he is in this ultra competitive process. Knowing that our MOC narrow first before offering interviews shows that he made the initial cut and *someone* thinks he might have what it takes. If our MOC interview ALL, then we know this is just another hurdle to clear and we still have no indication if appointment is a valid possibility. In the end we just wait in que like everyone else and try to trust the process!
 
On our third child who applied, we finally let go of the constant worrying and status checking. You and your DS will have a miserable senior year if you continue to try to figure out what his odds are and to gauge the meaning of every nuanced tidbit of information. My advice: Get the application and nomination packets done, get a good two back-up plans in place, then let it take its course. Plan on hearing something in March. Limit yourselves to checking his status once a week. Have your DS enjoy the rest of his senior year. Do some memorable things as a family. Even though the time seems to drag on now, he will be gone before you know it. Go give your DS a big hug and tell him how proud you are of him and his desire to serve. Good luck.
 
This is when the candidate realizes the entire application process is a test in itself, requiring perseverance, commitment, attention to detail, patience, time management and many other qualities desirable in a junior officer. Your DS will have to coach himself through application fatigue and stay focused, as the competition is, and as he will have to do in the future, dropping with exhaustion but with mental and physical challenges leading his soldiers either in an exercise or downrange in the combat zone. Not knowing every factor in every situation is also part of military life, requiring a supple personality which can adapt to any situation.

He is in the game until he isn’t, for USMA, but he can be in another game, AROTC, which leads to the same destination, AND could yield an additional nom source if he decided to re-apply. If being an Army Officer is his dream, he should mutter a cheerful hooah to himself and keep putting one boot in front of another.

There is no way of knowing how competitive he is. As is said often here on SAF, learning to focus on what he can actually impact or control is key, along with not looking right or left at the competition, and learning not to stress over uncontrollable elements. These are also valuable junior officer and life skills.
 
This is when the candidate realizes the entire application process is a test in itself, requiring perseverance, commitment, attention to detail, patience, time management and many other qualities desirable in a junior officer. Your DS will have to coach himself through application fatigue and stay focused, as the competition is, and as he will have to do in the future, dropping with exhaustion but with mental and physical challenges leading his soldiers either in an exercise or downrange in the combat zone. Not knowing every factor in every situation is also part of military life, requiring a supple personality which can adapt to any situation.

He is in the game until he isn’t, for USMA, but he can be in another game, AROTC, which leads to the same destination, AND could yield an additional nom source if he decided to re-apply. If being an Army Officer is his dream, he should mutter a cheerful hooah to himself and keep putting one boot in front of another.

There is no way of knowing how competitive he is. As is said often here on SAF, learning to focus on what he can actually impact or control is key, along with not looking right or left at the competition, and learning not to stress over uncontrollable elements. These are also valuable junior officer and life skills.

I am very grateful that this form was recommended to us as a source of information and support! 😇 🥰🥰👍
 
This is also a growth experience for many parents, as that final transition to independent adult ramps up. Lawnmower roars can be muted; helicopter wash can diminish. The nestlings have fledged, they’ve been taught to fly, now they can be allowed to soar on their own.

Mix metaphors as desired.
 
+1. Parents, you will need these skills to survive and thrive having a child in the military. I have two spec ops DS's deployed right now in different theaters plus a DD at sea somewhere unknown on a merchant ship. I am grateful I have learned at my advanced age not to stress so much about all the things I cannot control. Thank you to all who are willing to serve and to all who have raised a child who is willing to serve.
 
AZ for 2019, our son has interviews scheduled with both Senators and MOC. Invites stated something along the lines of 'determining who got interviews was difficult as all applicants were impressive' (paraphrasing). Both senators are in state capitol on 2 different dates, MOC is in her district which thankfully is only one hour drive. Senators are 3 hours one way. Needless to say the next 3 weekends are booked.
Prepping the ironing board and essay reviews.
Good luck to all and I am grateful there are good parents out there supporting their kiddos and their willingness to serve.
 
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