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I believe no humor was intended.I laughed out loud when I saw your comment! Thanks for sharing good sense of humor about “reporting back to forum users.”
Seriously.
I believe no humor was intended.I laughed out loud when I saw your comment! Thanks for sharing good sense of humor about “reporting back to forum users.”
I am sorry, sir. I think that I misunderstood it. I really apologize for my mistake and thank you for your advice.I believe no humor was intended.
Seriously.
The difference between the subject of the podcast and the OP is that the podcast subject paid to attend Northwestern prep on his own prior to his admission to USNA. He was not contracted to ROTC and not on the verge of commission:
My intention was "kindred spirit" for the OP, I found the interview interesting. Many differences in specifics.
but completing the 4 year ROTC course, and not accepting the commission that has been earned,
I don't have an answer to your question, but I'm sorry so many people chose to ignore your post and lecture you about their opinion on the advisability and ethics of your choice. The criticism has been outright hostile by some. This is the danger in seeking advice on the internet - you get responses from people who come to the table with a whole plateful of garbage - including some who who are outright hostile to your academy of choice. Now you have the most vocal critic of your plan tattling to RC's and ROTC staff about your situation in what seems like an attempt to scuttle your appointment.I've been accepted to the Class of 2024, and after five classes have passed me by, I'm finally in. Only problem is I'm a senior in ROTC who will, by contract, commission after the spring semester is over. I've received the letter to report, but I'm not sure if they'll let me out of my commission. From the grapevine and other threads, I've seen that once I get an appointment, my ROTC contract in null and void. I need guidance, and this is the best place to look. Please no one lecture me on my decision, and only provide clarity. I promised someone very special to me who has passed away I'd get in and succeed among numerous other reasons to attend. USMA has long been a dream of mine, and not one person can change my mind. For me, it's entirely worth the extra minuscule four years. Thank you for any guidance, and I apologize for being crass with the latter.
I don't have an answer to your question, but I'm sorry so many people chose to ignore your post and lecture you about their opinion on the advisability and ethics of your choice. The criticism has been outright hostile by some. This is the danger in seeking advice on the internet - you get responses from people who come to the table with a whole plateful of garbage - including some who who are outright hostile to your academy of choice. Now you have the most vocal critic of your plan tattling to RC's and ROTC staff about your situation in what seems like an attempt to scuttle your appointment.
My suggestion is you work with the WP staff about how to handle the ROTC situation, and stay off the internet. I wish you the best of luck.
I applaud you for not giving up on your dream! As a mom who's DD just received the dreaded TWE, I can't imagine getting on this emotional roller coaster 5 times! She is going to reapply next year for the class of 2025. What advice would you give to her based on your experience?
Any updated from the OP? This topic has spurred great conversation in our house, debating pros and cons back and forth, and we are all curious what the status is.I've been accepted to the Class of 2024, and after five classes have passed me by, I'm finally in. Only problem is I'm a senior in ROTC who will, by contract, commission after the spring semester is over. I've received the letter to report, but I'm not sure if they'll let me out of my commission. From the grapevine and other threads, I've seen that once I get an appointment, my ROTC contract in null and void. I need guidance, and this is the best place to look. Please no one lecture me on my decision, and only provide clarity. I promised someone very special to me who has passed away I'd get in and succeed among numerous other reasons to attend. USMA has long been a dream of mine, and not one person can change my mind. For me, it's entirely worth the extra minuscule four years. Thank you for any guidance, and I apologize for being crass with the latter.
If two parties renegotiate a contract, the terms of the new contract supersede the terms of the original contract.
Advice to OP: There are only two people you should be talking to regarding this - your RC and your ROTC PMS
- Under the terms of the new contract, the OP will not commission, nor be eligible for a commission, until graduation from USMA.
- Undoubtedly, there are terms in the new contract that protect the Army's investment, just as the Army protects its investment when enlisted soldiers receive appointments.
- The Army determined the relative benefits of allowing the OP to enter USMA rather than commission and decided USMA was the best course for the OP and the Army; perhaps the OP's relentless pursuit of an appointment factored into this decision.
- As an ROTC Cadet, the OP would have been required to have a recommendation from his ROTC PMS and USMA admissions would be well aware of his status. There is no dishonor in pursuing a dream when all parties are fully informed.
If two parties renegotiate a contract, the terms of the new contract supersede the terms of the original contract.
Advice to OP: There are only two people you should be talking to regarding this - your RC and your ROTC PMS
- Under the terms of the new contract, the OP will not commission, nor be eligible for a commission, until graduation from USMA.
- Undoubtedly, there are terms in the new contract that protect the Army's investment, just as the Army protects its investment when enlisted soldiers receive appointments.
- The Army determined the relative benefits of allowing the OP to enter USMA rather than commission and decided USMA was the best course for the OP and the Army; perhaps the OP's relentless pursuit of an appointment factored into this decision.
- As an ROTC Cadet, the OP would have been required to have a recommendation from his ROTC PMS and USMA admissions would be well aware of his status. There is no dishonor in pursuing a dream when all parties are fully informed.
Buckle down and strap in - this is a long one.Obviously I know there are people who are less than honorable who attend, I'd be naive to think otherwise, however those people are certainly in the minority. With that logic, why are there even service academies if you're not to have a certain pedigree or resume? That's pretty ridiculous that you believe that the academy isn't there for more than commissioning officers. If you don't think there's a certain pedigree about the cadets, why do thousands apply when they can apply to Harvard or Princeton and go through ROTC? Your very one sided argument theorizes that while my main goal is to be an officer, yes of course, that's why I've done ROTC, but to go to West Point is the very same route and the very same credential and toil towards achieving that goal. It takes a smarter, more physical, more motivated, and a course of adversity that ROTC and OCS can't offer and throw at a a young man.
Park City’s now connected to Canyons under EPIC. Did you ever ski Deer Valley?We used to ski every spring break at Park City. After landing in SLC, we’d stop first at an excellent Mexican restaurant. On their eclectic front door, there were numerous bumper stickers plastered haphazardly. My favorite one said, “Probably Made in China.” Yeah...probably.