AFROTC curriculum

And do the AFROTC and NROTC cadets (scholars?) attend the same ROTC classes/courses--those that involve leadership, etc?
 
Non Ducor Duco said:
Thanks for the link.

Our max and min scores in the sit-up and push-up sections compared to the amount of time allowed are a bit higher than NROTC-NO( i.e. NROTC push-up min for females is 19 and the max is 51 in 2 minute while the AFROTC min for females is 18 and the max is 47 in 1 minute), but the NROTC run max run times are about 40-50 seconds faster than ours. So there really isn't much of a difference between the two physically other than the swimming requirement.
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Right.
 
thementoringtree said:
And do the AFROTC and NROTC cadets (scholars?) attend the same ROTC classes/courses--those that involve leadership, etc?
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AFROTC Cadets attend different ROTC classes than NROTC Midshipmen as they are service specific. Both focus on leadership, the history of that branch, what service is like, etc. Occationally we do PT in the same general area or see each other walking to class, but we dont really do any activities or have any classes together if that is what you're asking.
 
Yes, that is what I was asking about : whether the AFROTC and the NROTC cadets take the same leadership courses.
DD is now torn between AFROTC-technical or math/science and the NROTC-Tier 2, which is primarily math/science-based.
 
thementoringtree said:
Yes, that is what I was asking about : whether the AFROTC and the NROTC cadets take the same leadership courses.
DD is now torn between AFROTC-technical or math/science and the NROTC-Tier 2, which is primarily math/science-based.
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Non Ducor Duco is correct, of course, in that the only interaction between the various ROTC's is strictly casual. Here's a chart of the Naval Science and other academic requirements for the NROTC unit at South Carolina. They will be the same nationwide although the course names and numbers will vary:
http://www.sc.edu/nrotc/AcademicRequirements.pdf

Of course you will want to look at the Navy Option column. Also, the last two rows that list Poli Sci and Hist courses... only one is required from each row.

Although I couldn't tell you what's required and what's optional from the following list, here are the AFROTC specific courses at Univ. of South Carolina.
I give it here just to give you some knowledge on the course work (as much as you can from such non-descriptive titles... as with all college courses).

AERO 499L - Extended Cadet Leader Leadership Laboratory
AERO 402L - Senior Cadet Leader Leadership Laboratory II
AERO 402 - Preparation for Active Duty.
AERO 401L - Senior Cadet Leader Leadership Laboratory I
AERO 401 - National Security Affairs
AERO 302L - Intermediate Cadet Leader Leadership Laboratory II
AERO 302 - Air Force Leadership Studies II
AERO 301L - Intermediate Cadet Leader Leadership Laboratory I
AERO 301 - Air Force Leadership Studies I
AERO 202L - Initial Field Training Preparation Cadet Leadership Laboratory II
AERO 202 - The Evolution of the U.S. Air Force II
AERO 201L - Field Training Preparation Cadet Leadership Laboratory I
AERO 201 - The Evolution of the U.S. Air Force I
AERO 102L - Initial Military Training Cadet Leadership Laboratory II
AERO 102 - The Foundation of the U.S. Air Force II
AERO 101L - Initial Military Training Cadet Leadership Laboratory I
AERO 101 - The Foundation of the U.S. Air Force I
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All of those are required except for the top two on the list which are only for cadets who stay more than 4 yrs like 5 yr tech majors. You take 2 classes per semester, one is an actual course that gives a letter grade and is taught by an officer(those are the ones on Kinnem's list that are in bold), the other is Leadership Laboratory which is where you do drill, attend briefings, etc. and is taught by older cadets. It may be different at other universities, but at mine the two classes add up to 2 credit hours for the 1st two years and 4 credit hrs for the last two(which is when you start getting more responsibility).
 
Non Ducor Duco and Kinnem,

Thanks a lot for this list and an explanation of these courses. They look very interesting. Will these courses be considered or will count as electives in one's curriculum? (I just wanted to make sure that the credits are earned not only to satisfy ROTc requirements but also to satisfy degree requirements.)

Another question not about the AFROTC curriculum. Which is the better/more effective way to apply for the ROTC---see the area recruiter, or simply fill up the online application, follow the instructions and submit the application?

Thanks,

TheMentoringTree
 
kinnem said:
Non Ducor Duco is correct, of course, in that the only interaction between the various ROTC's is strictly casual. Here's a chart of the Naval Science and other academic requirements for the NROTC unit at South Carolina. They will be the same nationwide although the course names and numbers will vary:
http://www.sc.edu/nrotc/AcademicRequirements.pdf

Of course you will want to look at the Navy Option column. Also, the last two rows that list Poli Sci and Hist courses... only one is required from each row.

Although I couldn't tell you what's required and what's optional from the following list, here are the AFROTC specific courses at Univ. of South Carolina.
I give it here just to give you some knowledge on the course work (as much as you can from such non-descriptive titles... as with all college courses).
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Kinnem,

Thank you very much for the link. Very informative. I apologize for going into as far as curriculum. I am in the teaching profession (university) that is why. (But as I said in one of my previous posts, I am totally clueless when it comes to military stuff and procedures, and not to say the least, military acronyms. What I know is so little...but I am learning...thanks to all of you in this forum.)

Did somebody say again that there are more AFROTC technical scholarships than there are in the NROTC (Tier 1 and Tier 2, meaning engineering and math/sciences)?

DD is highly technical. I was a math honors major in college, but I look at what she is doing now, I shrink. I can't figure out what she is doing. And the way she does chemistry theory and lab, AP level, just blows my mind away. I am stating a fact here. I am not the type of mother who praises her children in public, especially to strangers. But DD really is something.
 
kinnem said:
Non Ducor Duco is correct, of course, in that the only interaction between the various ROTC's is strictly casual. Here's a chart of the Naval Science and other academic requirements for the NROTC unit at South Carolina. They will be the same nationwide although the course names and numbers will vary:
http://www.sc.edu/nrotc/AcademicRequirements.pdf

Of course you will want to look at the Navy Option column. Also, the last two rows that list Poli Sci and Hist courses... only one is required from each row.

Although I couldn't tell you what's required and what's optional from the following list, here are the AFROTC specific courses at Univ. of South Carolina.
I give it here just to give you some knowledge on the course work (as much as you can from such non-descriptive titles... as with all college courses).
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Can applications to the NROTC and AFROTC be done simultaneously? Will it be looked upon negatively?
 
thementoringtree said:
Non Ducor Duco and Kinnem,

Thanks a lot for this list and an explanation of these courses. They look very interesting. Will these courses be considered or will count as electives in one's curriculum? (I just wanted to make sure that the credits are earned not only to satisfy ROTc requirements but also to satisfy degree requirements.)

Another question not about the AFROTC curriculum. Which is the better/more effective way to apply for the ROTC---see the area recruiter, or simply fill up the online application, follow the instructions and submit the application?

Thanks,

TheMentoringTree
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Yes, the credits count toward those required for graduation. We went with the online application although my son was also in regular contact with a recruiter. Most people in a local recruiting office are aiming to recruit enlisted personnel. They don't always know much about ROTC but some can be quite helpful.
 
thementoringtree said:
Can applications to the NROTC and AFROTC be done simultaneously? Will it be looked upon negatively?
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Yes, they can be done simultaneously. Many kids apply to all the academies and all the ROTCs at the same time. Many also only apply to one as they have a strong preference for that service and have no desire to attend an academy (like my son... he was set on being a Marine while still having a "normal" college experience... whatever that is). Either way is just fine.
 
Kinnem, you have been a great and wonderful source of information! Thank you so much!

These nitty-gritty details are better learned from somebody who has gone through the process especially a parent.
 
thementoringtree said:
Kinnem, you have been a great and wonderful source of information! Thank you so much!

These nitty-gritty details are better learned from somebody who has gone through the process especially a parent.
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No problem. Keep posting as questions come up.
 
mentoringtree,

Take this time to understand the small differences between each so you are better prepared come this summer. Once you start it all becomes a blur.

For example:

AFROTC:
~ Best sitting SAT/ACT. They will not superscore
~ Type 1,2,and 7 scholarships all have the ability to go non-tech. The scholarship itself is more about the amount they will pay out.
~ AFROTC can only be used towards tuition.
~ AFROTC cadets can take the scholarship to any school that accepts AFROTC program. It is tied to the cadet, not the school.
~ DoDMERB if he G forbid gets a dq, it is up to each branch to waive. There are kids that will get a waiver from one branch, but not the others.
~ 1st Board is in Dec.

NROTC's 1st board is late Aug/early Sept. Both are a queue system. If your DD is applying for both, I would highly suggest you have her paperwork in for NROTC by early Aug at the latest to meet that 1st board. I would than get on the AFROTC paperwork and have that in by Sept/Oct for them.

AFROTC does not accept any activities, or cgpa after their jr. yr. The only thing left that she can update is her SAT/ACT.

Our DS only applied AFROTC, so I will leave it to others to answer if the AFROTC and NROTC PFA are identical. If it is not, than be prepared for her to take it twice. Some have thought about taking it 2x in one day...not a good idea, or taking it after a team sport practice....not a good idea either.

The PFA seems easy enough, but the fact is every point counts for the scholarship, and the PFA is one area she can have complete control over on how well she does. You never want to be that person wondering what if I ran just a little faster, would I have the scholarship?

Start soon on the PFA if this is a weakness. July will be here soon enough, and between now and then life will get in the way. SATs, prom, finals, etc.all great reasons why to put it off 1 more week.

They never publish the mins, thus you don't know where the bottom line hits They do publish the max. For AFROTC at least there is one more hitch with the test. Bust one section and you bust the entire test. You could max everything, but push ups and you will get 0 points for the entire thing.

Hope that helps to explain somethings you need to be looking at in the next few months as you start the process.

As kinnem has stated it is very common for kids to apply to multiple branches. 95% of the SA candidates will apply for ROTC scholarships as their plan B.

OBTW, although ROTC classes can be used towards their degree remember each class is only 1 credit, so in the end it is only going to be the equivalent of 2 classes or 8 credits. Our DS used it to get a core concentration degree in military history. His major was Govt and Politics, minor in International Relations. As it was explained before AFROTC for non-tech require X amount of foreign language, or math/science, so he was able to bring those requirements into his degrees as electives.
 
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Pima, I want to thank for your thorough explanation on how I should guide my daughter through all these. Yes, I have set a timeline. I used to work for the government before (although not the military branch) I went into teaching, so more or less, I know how structure and organization really matter a lot, as all other concerns, academic and non-academic (proms, summer camps, standardized tests, APs, etc) get in the way. Thank you for pointing out to me the crucial deadlines : as early as August for the NROTC and before December for the AFROTC.

Say, DD gets an offer from NROTC on the first board, how much time does NROTC give her to formally accept it (sign the contract), considering that DD will also apply for the AFROTC and might get accepted in it, but AFROTC results won't out come before December...so what happens? Can DD postpone accepting the NROTC scholarship, until such time that the AFROTC results are out? If she gets the two offers (which would be ideal), she will have a better way of digging into the differences between the two, and decide which would be a better fit for her.

I am also aware of high schools having scholarship offer ceremonies (including a photo op with a huge check that says USD180,000 with the name of the school on it) as soon as the offer is made. What if DD attends that kind of ceremony with NROTC and in the end chooses to go for the AFROTC?

Of course, these are concerns after offers are made, not before. These are the best-case scenarios.
 
Pima said:
mentoringtree,

Take this time to understand the small differences between each so you are better prepared come this summer. Once you start it all becomes a blur.

For example:

AFROTC:
~ Best sitting SAT/ACT. They will not superscore
~ Type 1,2,and 7 scholarships all have the ability to go non-tech. The scholarship itself is more about the amount they will pay out.
~ AFROTC can only be used towards tuition.
~ AFROTC cadets can take the scholarship to any school that accepts AFROTC program. It is tied to the cadet, not the school.
~ DoDMERB if he G forbid gets a dq, it is up to each branch to waive. There are kids that will get a waiver from one branch, but not the others.
~ 1st Board is in Dec.

NROTC's 1st board is late Aug/early Sept. Both are a queue system. If your DD is applying for both, I would highly suggest you have her paperwork in for NROTC by early Aug at the latest to meet that 1st board. I would than get on the AFROTC paperwork and have that in by Sept/Oct for them.

AFROTC does not accept any activities, or cgpa after their jr. yr. The only thing left that she can update is her SAT/ACT.

Our DS only applied AFROTC, so I will leave it to others to answer if the AFROTC and NROTC PFA are identical. If it is not, than be prepared for her to take it twice. Some have thought about taking it 2x in one day...not a good idea, or taking it after a team sport practice....not a good idea either.

The PFA seems easy enough, but the fact is every point counts for the scholarship, and the PFA is one area she can have complete control over on how well she does. You never want to be that person wondering what if I ran just a little faster, would I have the scholarship?

Start soon on the PFA if this is a weakness. July will be here soon enough, and between now and then life will get in the way. SATs, prom, finals, etc.all great reasons why to put it off 1 more week.

They never publish the mins, thus you don't know where the bottom line hits They do publish the max. For AFROTC at least there is one more hitch with the test. Bust one section and you bust the entire test. You could max everything, but push ups and you will get 0 points for the entire thing.

Hope that helps to explain somethings you need to be looking at in the next few months as you start the process.

As kinnem has stated it is very common for kids to apply to multiple branches. 95% of the SA candidates will apply for ROTC scholarships as their plan B.

OBTW, although ROTC classes can be used towards their degree remember each class is only 1 credit, so in the end it is only going to be the equivalent of 2 classes or 8 credits. Our DS used it to get a core concentration degree in military history. His major was Govt and Politics, minor in International Relations. As it was explained before AFROTC for non-tech require X amount of foreign language, or math/science, so he was able to bring those requirements into his degrees as electives.
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I forgot another thing : the PFA for the AFROTC is a requirement for the scholarship and it has to be taken before submitting the application? Where should DD get this? I mean, who should administer this one? She will need to go to the local recruiter's office.

For NROTC, she will do the PFT once she gets to her college/university, and that means, that the ROTC unit of her college/university will administer the test.
 
thementoringtree said:
Say, DD gets an offer from NROTC on the first board, how much time does NROTC give her to formally accept it (sign the contract), considering that DD will also apply for the AFROTC and might get accepted in it, but AFROTC results won't out come before December...so what happens? Can DD postpone accepting the NROTC scholarship, until such time that the AFROTC results are out? If she gets the two offers (which would be ideal), she will have a better way of digging into the differences between the two, and decide which would be a better fit for her.
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First, she will not sign a contract until she reports for her first semester of college and passes the physical fitness test. This is true for any ROTC program. Also if she doesn't pass the test, the scholarship money won't start flowing until she does... just something to be aware of. She must pass it by December otherwise she is in jeopardy of losing the scholarship.

She can accept the scholarship (I think they give you 30 days), and then decline it later on if she also gets another ROTC scholarship and decides to go that route. It's like any scholarship in that sense. You can always accept it and then decline it later. It's not like they're going to make you take the money! :biggrin:

I am also aware of high schools having scholarship offer ceremonies (including a photo op with a huge check that says USD180,000 with the name of the school on it) as soon as the offer is made. What if DD attends that kind of ceremony with NROTC and in the end chooses to go for the AFROTC?
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If this happens I don't think its any big deal. It might be embarrassing if she went through that and then failed to DoDMERB physical, but personally that wouldn't bother me either. BTW, I think this is more of an Academy appointment thing but I may be wrong about that. It's been known to happen from time to time.
I forgot another thing : the PFA for the AFROTC is a requirement for the scholarship and it has to be taken before submitting the application? Where should DD get this? I mean, who should administer this one? She will need to go to the local recruiter's office.

For NROTC, she will do the PFT once she gets to her college/university, and that means, that the ROTC unit of her college/university will administer the test.
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You are correct for NROTC. She will not take the Navy Option PFT until she gets to college. I am always astounded by this, as Marine Options have to take the PFT. I will leave it to Pima to address the AFROTC question as I'm not familiar with that process.
 
Pima said:
mentoringtree,

Take this time to understand the small differences between each so you are better prepared come this summer. Once you start it all becomes a blur.

For example:

AFROTC:
~ Best sitting SAT/ACT. They will not superscore
~ Type 1,2,and 7 scholarships all have the ability to go non-tech. The scholarship itself is more about the amount they will pay out.
~ AFROTC can only be used towards tuition.
~ AFROTC cadets can take the scholarship to any school that accepts AFROTC program. It is tied to the cadet, not the school.
~ DoDMERB if he G forbid gets a dq, it is up to each branch to waive. There are kids that will get a waiver from one branch, but not the others.
~ 1st Board is in Dec.

NROTC's 1st board is late Aug/early Sept. Both are a queue system. If your DD is applying for both, I would highly suggest you have her paperwork in for NROTC by early Aug at the latest to meet that 1st board. I would than get on the AFROTC paperwork and have that in by Sept/Oct for them.

AFROTC does not accept any activities, or cgpa after their jr. yr. The only thing left that she can update is her SAT/ACT.

Our DS only applied AFROTC, so I will leave it to others to answer if the AFROTC and NROTC PFA are identical. If it is not, than be prepared for her to take it twice. Some have thought about taking it 2x in one day...not a good idea, or taking it after a team sport practice....not a good idea either.

The PFA seems easy enough, but the fact is every point counts for the scholarship, and the PFA is one area she can have complete control over on how well she does. You never want to be that person wondering what if I ran just a little faster, would I have the scholarship?

Start soon on the PFA if this is a weakness. July will be here soon enough, and between now and then life will get in the way. SATs, prom, finals, etc.all great reasons why to put it off 1 more week.

They never publish the mins, thus you don't know where the bottom line hits They do publish the max. For AFROTC at least there is one more hitch with the test. Bust one section and you bust the entire test. You could max everything, but push ups and you will get 0 points for the entire thing.

Hope that helps to explain somethings you need to be looking at in the next few months as you start the process.

As kinnem has stated it is very common for kids to apply to multiple branches. 95% of the SA candidates will apply for ROTC scholarships as their plan B.

OBTW, although ROTC classes can be used towards their degree remember each class is only 1 credit, so in the end it is only going to be the equivalent of 2 classes or 8 credits. Our DS used it to get a core concentration degree in military history. His major was Govt and Politics, minor in International Relations. As it was explained before AFROTC for non-tech require X amount of foreign language, or math/science, so he was able to bring those requirements into his degrees as electives.
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Hi again Pima,

You already probably did, but forgot all about it, as I struggle to digest all sorts of info simultaneously. Kinnem shared with me the NROTC curriculum at U South Carolina which he said, is more or less the same curriculum followed by all units nationwide. Would you have a copy of the AFROTC curriculum at some college/university?

Thanks a lot.

TMT
 
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The AFROTC curriculum was in my same post as the link to the NROTC curriculum, although I'm sure Pima could shed far more light on the AFROTC curriculum. I can only find it online and post it. She can probably actually give you some description of it.
 
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