thementoringtree
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Thank you so much for all your inputs. You are clearing a lot of my confusion.
Thanks for the link.
Our max and min scores in the sit-up and push-up sections compared to the amount of time allowed are a bit higher than NROTC-NO( i.e. NROTC push-up min for females is 19 and the max is 51 in 2 minute while the AFROTC min for females is 18 and the max is 47 in 1 minute), but the NROTC run max run times are about 40-50 seconds faster than ours. So there really isn't much of a difference between the two physically other than the swimming requirement.
And do the AFROTC and NROTC cadets (scholars?) attend the same ROTC classes/courses--those that involve leadership, etc?
Yes, that is what I was asking about : whether the AFROTC and the NROTC cadets take the same leadership courses.
DD is now torn between AFROTC-technical or math/science and the NROTC-Tier 2, which is primarily math/science-based.
AERO 499L - Extended Cadet Leader Leadership Laboratory
AERO 402L - Senior Cadet Leader Leadership Laboratory II
AERO 402 - Preparation for Active Duty.
AERO 401L - Senior Cadet Leader Leadership Laboratory I
AERO 401 - National Security Affairs
AERO 302L - Intermediate Cadet Leader Leadership Laboratory II
AERO 302 - Air Force Leadership Studies II
AERO 301L - Intermediate Cadet Leader Leadership Laboratory I
AERO 301 - Air Force Leadership Studies I
AERO 202L - Initial Field Training Preparation Cadet Leadership Laboratory II
AERO 202 - The Evolution of the U.S. Air Force II
AERO 201L - Field Training Preparation Cadet Leadership Laboratory I
AERO 201 - The Evolution of the U.S. Air Force I
AERO 102L - Initial Military Training Cadet Leadership Laboratory II
AERO 102 - The Foundation of the U.S. Air Force II
AERO 101L - Initial Military Training Cadet Leadership Laboratory I
AERO 101 - The Foundation of the U.S. Air Force I
Non Ducor Duco is correct, of course, in that the only interaction between the various ROTC's is strictly casual. Here's a chart of the Naval Science and other academic requirements for the NROTC unit at South Carolina. They will be the same nationwide although the course names and numbers will vary:
http://www.sc.edu/nrotc/AcademicRequirements.pdf
Of course you will want to look at the Navy Option column. Also, the last two rows that list Poli Sci and Hist courses... only one is required from each row.
Although I couldn't tell you what's required and what's optional from the following list, here are the AFROTC specific courses at Univ. of South Carolina.
I give it here just to give you some knowledge on the course work (as much as you can from such non-descriptive titles... as with all college courses).
Non Ducor Duco is correct, of course, in that the only interaction between the various ROTC's is strictly casual. Here's a chart of the Naval Science and other academic requirements for the NROTC unit at South Carolina. They will be the same nationwide although the course names and numbers will vary:
http://www.sc.edu/nrotc/AcademicRequirements.pdf
Of course you will want to look at the Navy Option column. Also, the last two rows that list Poli Sci and Hist courses... only one is required from each row.
Although I couldn't tell you what's required and what's optional from the following list, here are the AFROTC specific courses at Univ. of South Carolina.
I give it here just to give you some knowledge on the course work (as much as you can from such non-descriptive titles... as with all college courses).
Non Ducor Duco and Kinnem,
Thanks a lot for this list and an explanation of these courses. They look very interesting. Will these courses be considered or will count as electives in one's curriculum? (I just wanted to make sure that the credits are earned not only to satisfy ROTc requirements but also to satisfy degree requirements.)
Another question not about the AFROTC curriculum. Which is the better/more effective way to apply for the ROTC---see the area recruiter, or simply fill up the online application, follow the instructions and submit the application?
Thanks,
TheMentoringTree
Can applications to the NROTC and AFROTC be done simultaneously? Will it be looked upon negatively?
Kinnem, you have been a great and wonderful source of information! Thank you so much!
These nitty-gritty details are better learned from somebody who has gone through the process especially a parent.
mentoringtree,
Take this time to understand the small differences between each so you are better prepared come this summer. Once you start it all becomes a blur.
For example:
AFROTC:
~ Best sitting SAT/ACT. They will not superscore
~ Type 1,2,and 7 scholarships all have the ability to go non-tech. The scholarship itself is more about the amount they will pay out.
~ AFROTC can only be used towards tuition.
~ AFROTC cadets can take the scholarship to any school that accepts AFROTC program. It is tied to the cadet, not the school.
~ DoDMERB if he G forbid gets a dq, it is up to each branch to waive. There are kids that will get a waiver from one branch, but not the others.
~ 1st Board is in Dec.
NROTC's 1st board is late Aug/early Sept. Both are a queue system. If your DD is applying for both, I would highly suggest you have her paperwork in for NROTC by early Aug at the latest to meet that 1st board. I would than get on the AFROTC paperwork and have that in by Sept/Oct for them.
AFROTC does not accept any activities, or cgpa after their jr. yr. The only thing left that she can update is her SAT/ACT.
Our DS only applied AFROTC, so I will leave it to others to answer if the AFROTC and NROTC PFA are identical. If it is not, than be prepared for her to take it twice. Some have thought about taking it 2x in one day...not a good idea, or taking it after a team sport practice....not a good idea either.
The PFA seems easy enough, but the fact is every point counts for the scholarship, and the PFA is one area she can have complete control over on how well she does. You never want to be that person wondering what if I ran just a little faster, would I have the scholarship?
Start soon on the PFA if this is a weakness. July will be here soon enough, and between now and then life will get in the way. SATs, prom, finals, etc.all great reasons why to put it off 1 more week.
They never publish the mins, thus you don't know where the bottom line hits They do publish the max. For AFROTC at least there is one more hitch with the test. Bust one section and you bust the entire test. You could max everything, but push ups and you will get 0 points for the entire thing.
Hope that helps to explain somethings you need to be looking at in the next few months as you start the process.
As kinnem has stated it is very common for kids to apply to multiple branches. 95% of the SA candidates will apply for ROTC scholarships as their plan B.
OBTW, although ROTC classes can be used towards their degree remember each class is only 1 credit, so in the end it is only going to be the equivalent of 2 classes or 8 credits. Our DS used it to get a core concentration degree in military history. His major was Govt and Politics, minor in International Relations. As it was explained before AFROTC for non-tech require X amount of foreign language, or math/science, so he was able to bring those requirements into his degrees as electives.
Say, DD gets an offer from NROTC on the first board, how much time does NROTC give her to formally accept it (sign the contract), considering that DD will also apply for the AFROTC and might get accepted in it, but AFROTC results won't out come before December...so what happens? Can DD postpone accepting the NROTC scholarship, until such time that the AFROTC results are out? If she gets the two offers (which would be ideal), she will have a better way of digging into the differences between the two, and decide which would be a better fit for her.
If this happens I don't think its any big deal. It might be embarrassing if she went through that and then failed to DoDMERB physical, but personally that wouldn't bother me either. BTW, I think this is more of an Academy appointment thing but I may be wrong about that. It's been known to happen from time to time.I am also aware of high schools having scholarship offer ceremonies (including a photo op with a huge check that says USD180,000 with the name of the school on it) as soon as the offer is made. What if DD attends that kind of ceremony with NROTC and in the end chooses to go for the AFROTC?
You are correct for NROTC. She will not take the Navy Option PFT until she gets to college. I am always astounded by this, as Marine Options have to take the PFT. I will leave it to Pima to address the AFROTC question as I'm not familiar with that process.I forgot another thing : the PFA for the AFROTC is a requirement for the scholarship and it has to be taken before submitting the application? Where should DD get this? I mean, who should administer this one? She will need to go to the local recruiter's office.
For NROTC, she will do the PFT once she gets to her college/university, and that means, that the ROTC unit of her college/university will administer the test.
mentoringtree,
Take this time to understand the small differences between each so you are better prepared come this summer. Once you start it all becomes a blur.
For example:
AFROTC:
~ Best sitting SAT/ACT. They will not superscore
~ Type 1,2,and 7 scholarships all have the ability to go non-tech. The scholarship itself is more about the amount they will pay out.
~ AFROTC can only be used towards tuition.
~ AFROTC cadets can take the scholarship to any school that accepts AFROTC program. It is tied to the cadet, not the school.
~ DoDMERB if he G forbid gets a dq, it is up to each branch to waive. There are kids that will get a waiver from one branch, but not the others.
~ 1st Board is in Dec.
NROTC's 1st board is late Aug/early Sept. Both are a queue system. If your DD is applying for both, I would highly suggest you have her paperwork in for NROTC by early Aug at the latest to meet that 1st board. I would than get on the AFROTC paperwork and have that in by Sept/Oct for them.
AFROTC does not accept any activities, or cgpa after their jr. yr. The only thing left that she can update is her SAT/ACT.
Our DS only applied AFROTC, so I will leave it to others to answer if the AFROTC and NROTC PFA are identical. If it is not, than be prepared for her to take it twice. Some have thought about taking it 2x in one day...not a good idea, or taking it after a team sport practice....not a good idea either.
The PFA seems easy enough, but the fact is every point counts for the scholarship, and the PFA is one area she can have complete control over on how well she does. You never want to be that person wondering what if I ran just a little faster, would I have the scholarship?
Start soon on the PFA if this is a weakness. July will be here soon enough, and between now and then life will get in the way. SATs, prom, finals, etc.all great reasons why to put it off 1 more week.
They never publish the mins, thus you don't know where the bottom line hits They do publish the max. For AFROTC at least there is one more hitch with the test. Bust one section and you bust the entire test. You could max everything, but push ups and you will get 0 points for the entire thing.
Hope that helps to explain somethings you need to be looking at in the next few months as you start the process.
As kinnem has stated it is very common for kids to apply to multiple branches. 95% of the SA candidates will apply for ROTC scholarships as their plan B.
OBTW, although ROTC classes can be used towards their degree remember each class is only 1 credit, so in the end it is only going to be the equivalent of 2 classes or 8 credits. Our DS used it to get a core concentration degree in military history. His major was Govt and Politics, minor in International Relations. As it was explained before AFROTC for non-tech require X amount of foreign language, or math/science, so he was able to bring those requirements into his degrees as electives.