AROTC Contracting & more

Maybe this is what my accountant was talking about that DS didn't have to pay taxes on his scholarship. He was a MSI last year, so he only receive $5,000. for R&B for the fall. So it must not have been enough to tax. We will see about this year?

Yes, that's what your accountant meant by that. It's not so much that the nature of the income wasn't taxable. It was the fact that the amount of the income was below the threshold for requiring the filing of a return and the payment of tax. He probably won't be so lucky for 2014 since he will have received a full year's worth of R&B.
 
I too noticed the convenient number of days they list for training, just under the required amount for payment

I would hope since this will be a required training that CC will pay the cadets as they have with LDAC. It's understandable for training such as Airborne, Air Assault and others since they volunteer for those.

I could be wrong but I think the training is 28 days, now add onto that the travel time, inprocessing and outporcesing and it should push them over the 28 day trigger. I believe they are on AD orders to travel to and from.
 
Wow!! I thought since I claimed her, then I had to claim the money! Unfortunately, she does have other income. She maintained part-time employment in HS and took a leave of absence for school. She still plans to work in the summer. But, that is awesome if what you say is true and that the taxes fall on my daughter! That will be so much cheaper than if they fell on me!:thumb:

Everything that your student does with the university and with ROTC for that matter is using his/her SSN unless you cosign for a student loan. If you cosign for a student loan, in which case (it is my understanding although I am not a tax accountant) either (but only one) of you can take the deduction for the interest on the cosigned loan.

As to the "how to file it" stuff, s/he will get a 1098 from the university detailing how much deductible tuition, etc. charged and how much financial aid was received (whether credited towards those costs or excess refunded to the student). Most universities make it available to download. Money coming from the Army will also get a corresponding tax document if you have any taxable income to report. Both will have your son/daughter's SSN on it.

With those 2 documents in hand, I recommend your son/daughter get an electronic tax filing software and work through the questionnaire. It is a good experience for them to learn how our tax code works.
 
Unless things have wildly changed, she will be paid for summer training. She should receive a smaller percentage of Active Duty pay while at the training, as well as per diem pay to and from the training. I attended LDAC and CTLT this summer and was paid for both.It's not a whole lot, but it's better than nothing.
 
I too noticed the convenient number of days they list for training, just under the required amount for payment

I would hope since this will be a required training that CC will pay the cadets as they have with LDAC. It's understandable for training such as Airborne, Air Assault and others since they volunteer for those.

I can't wait to see how this plays out, because for AFROTC they did shorten SFT which is mandatory for commissioning their program. They took it this year from 28 to 23 days.

It was their way of saving money. Can we all say sequestration? Remember sequestration will be impacting the military for 8 more Fiscal Years.

Just saying I would not be shocked that they took this page from AFROTC. Just like their Field Training program, cadets will go if in the end they know they need it to commission, regardless if they get TDY pay.

Not saying I don't get the loss of money for cadets, because I do. Just saying the military has to tighten their wallets and IMPO, the cadets defense of a summer job is not a defense. Nor is being paid, because in their eyes the goal is a training issue not a money issue that cadets can pocket.
~ They are paying for travel and Room and Board.

Finally, I am looking at other AROTC threads and how they are not giving uniforms to non-contracted cadets. How CULP payments still have yet to be paid out. All I keep thinking is they are like AFROTC, squeezing pennies every way they can and shortening LDAC so they don't have to pay them will save millions annually.

Quick question. How many go to LDAC a year?
~ AFROTC sends 2300 to SFT, I would assume AROTC has to be 4000 at least. If so, and knowing that my DS in AFROTC got @750 for his 28 days. You are looking at several million in savings by shortening the training to 23 days like SFT for AFROTC.

That money can now be funneled back into AROTC.

Than again AFROTC canceled summer programs for their cadets and this was their last option. The question remains will AROTC cut programs that Jcleppe acknowledged, such as airborne or air assault? I could see anger if those summer training options still get pay while LDAC gets shafted. I also can see the flip side from AROTC, suck it in for LDAC and you will get paid at the other schools.
 
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My opinion, mandatory training does not have to be paid as long as they pay transportation and room and board, everybody has to do it so everyone is equal.
The other things like CTLT and CULP are extra, kinda like bonus training, if they pay those then it's fine. As long as they are consistent and do not cut them short just to fall below the time limit. Doesn't have to be AD pay.

Airborne and Air Assault do not get paid because they do not last long enough. As stated it's volunteer training and only lasts up to 3 weeks.

DS went thru LTC two summers ago and they paid everybody that attended, even though there was no commitment for the attendees to join ROTC when they got back to school. I'm sure there were some that just attended for the money.

I agree with what was said previously, possibly in another thread, maybe handing uniforms out to contracted cadets only and eliminating what could be considered as gratuitous pay in some instances will help get the AROTC numbers down to where they really want them.
 
My opinion, mandatory training does not have to be paid as long as they pay transportation and room and board, everybody has to do it so everyone is equal.
The other things like CTLT and CULP are extra, kinda like bonus training, if they pay those then it's fine. As long as they are consistent and do not cut them short just to fall below the time limit. Doesn't have to be AD pay.

Airborne and Air Assault do not get paid because they do not last long enough. As stated it's volunteer training and only lasts up to 3 weeks.

DS went thru LTC two summers ago and they paid everybody that attended, even though there was no commitment for the attendees to join ROTC when they got back to school. I'm sure there were some that just attended for the money.

I agree with what was said previously, possibly in another thread, maybe handing uniforms out to contracted cadets only and eliminating what could be considered as gratuitous pay in some instances will help get the AROTC numbers down to where they really want them.

A fun way to spend a summer. Reminds of of someone...

"...It's free. So I figured while I'm here I'll lose a few pounds. And you got what, a 6 to 8 week training program here? A real tough one. Which is perfect for me.

I'm going to walk out of here a Lean, Mean, Fightin' Machine! Ha ha ha ha!"
 
"...It's free. So I figured while I'm here I'll lose a few pounds. And you got what, a 6 to 8 week training program here? A real tough one. Which is perfect for me.

I'm going to walk out of here a Lean, Mean, Fightin' Machine! Ha ha ha ha!"

I love it, no matter what the issue, it always can be referenced to "Stripes" Long live Ox.

Pima,

Every MS3 AROTC cadet attends LDAC (Or what ever they are calling it now) Last year i believe over 5000 attended.

Cadets have never been paid for summer training such as Airborne or Air Assault, only travel expenses.

I expect that the CIET and the new LDAC will still both be paid training, CULP pay will probably be evaluated each year.
 
Well from my understanding is that everyone in AROTC will be attending some type of camp over the summer and it will be mandatory. My daughter will be attending CIET this summer between her freshman and sophomore year. However, it will be mandatory beginning 2016 for all rising MS2's to attend. Also Cadet Command will be testing out CLC this summer for rising MS3's and it will become mandatory in 2017.

So from what I can see by the time 2017 comes around, everyone in ROTC will be attending some type of summer camp every summer that they are in ROTC.

Its going to be a huge expense to transport everyone in AROTC to attend these new camps. Where are they coming up with the money for this?
 
It's going to be a huge expense to transport everyone in AROTC to attend these new camps. Where are they coming up with the money for this?

It's pretty clear just looking at my son's battalion that the budgets have been cut for the individual battalions. No more FTX, have heard that some battalions are now having to have the cadets fund the Ranger Challenge Teams. I think cadets in the future can expect to be paying for more of their EC's at the battalion level. My son's battalion used to give a $700.00 award along with the Superior Cadet Award, now it's the unframed certificate and a handshake, not that the money was ever expected.

Last year they closed a few battalions, I wouldn't be surprised to see more either close or be merged with other programs in the future. There may be more 3 year scholarships in place of 4 year, only time will tell with that one.

It is yet to be seen how Cadet Command will handle the pay for mandatory summer training and CULP.

Other then that I'm with you, seems like a pretty large expense when the Army is cutting back everywhere else.
 
DS attended LDAC and CTLT this summer. Not sure about LDAC pay but as everyone knows they got incidental pay only for CTLT. And then got there and had to buy a pillow and linens for bed clothes. Really not expected...

He left LDAC and went straight to CTLT. They called that one day travel time as time off so he would not get put on AD pay. I hear this is the norm for travel.

He was depending on that money as his school get by money but it did not materialize as he expected....
 
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