Attire question

With all due respect... and there is just no way of saying this without sounding like a total jerk... but this question is not an issue a cadet's parent should be concerned with. It's an issue the cadet needs to noodle through on their own through research of regulations. After all, these are the future leaders of America's warrior class. They need to figure out what to wear on their own. In all my years as an Army officer, there was one thing I learned.... There is a regulation written to cover everything!

I'm sorry, but are you kidding me with this comment???? My boys are wicked busy with finals! The graduation is Jan 3. One will leave New Orleans after finals, go to MN, then Alaska, back to MN, then to Texas for the graduation. The other has a similiar crazy schedule for break. When they leave school they need to be sure they have their uniform (if they wear it). My 200 wondered if he should wear his modified service dress and I said "I know just where to ask, I'll get back to you". So gosh....so sorry for wanting to be a helpful parent to my very busy child. I thought this was place to get information from some very wise people, so thank you so much to those who answered my question.

I have advised both boys to ask their cadre/detachment for further guidance on the matter.
 
Dial,
I get ya... Believe me, I do understand. Like I said originally... my post will make me sound like a total jerk. (Clearly an accurate statement.)

However, it pains me to picutre soldiers having their uniform laid out for them by their moms. As a soldier (with a college bound kid) myself, I like to think our future leaders are handling things sans mom's uniform advice. It also pains me to think some parents believe their cadet still needs that assistance. Heck, at that age, Audie Murphy had already commanded an infantry company in battle, been shot and received the CMH. Your kids may have that kind of mettle.

I don't even know how to deal with this attitude.....I hate to break it to you, but my boys have managed to dress themselves in their uniforms just fine. I don't understand your negativity. It is just rude....

My dad spent 27 yrs in the Navy. My husband is a USAFA grad. I spent 10 yrs as an AF wife....I'm pretty sure I have a very clear understanding of the military world. Don't even say "your kids may have that kind of mettle".
 
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This is nothing against you, simply a response since you posted the above, I thought I would attempt to clarify.

When an AROTC cadet contracts, included in that process is signing of enlistment papers and taking an oath of enlistment. Cadets are "assigned" to the US Army Reserve Control Group (ROTC). If I remember correctly, it's Control Group 303.

As such, contracted cadets are categorized by the Army, according to AR 600-20 Chapter 1-6, shown in Table 1-1. This is the same table that categorizes USMA Cadets and Officer Candidates.

However, in reality, I don't really disagree with how cadets are viewed, being that we are in school, rather than attached to a unit actively drilling. In this case, if approved by the PMS, there isn't really a problem with wearing the uniform to a BMT graduation. I would just wear the cadet rank of C/2LT like cadets do at CTLT/CULP/etc and be prepared to get funny looks or confused questions. Additionally, wearing the uniform would require the cadet to also adhere to all customs and courtesies.

I've been asked by family and friends before to wear a uniform while attending graduations and usually decline, simply because I did not want to detract from those graduating.

Thanks Bull. That is helpful.

It seems less clear in practice as you know.

But I appreciate the clarification.
 
"So gosh....so sorry for wanting to be a helpful parent to my very busy child."

He/she may be your child, but by this time, he/she is (or should be) a grown up soldier, not a child that needs mom's help with uniform choices... but you already know that.

You asked for advice about uniform choices, I provided advice... just not the advice you wanted to hear. Don't take it personally. I've been an Army officer my entire adult life. AROTC class of 1987.... I speak from experience. Perhaps my expectations for these future warrior leaders is just a bit higher than what you are comfortable with.

And by the way... they haven't experienced being "busy" yet. They will never be as busy as they will be their first few years as a young 2LT. Company grade Army officers regularly put 40 hours of work in each 24 hour day. Your kid hasn't even begun to be "busy".
 
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My "future warrior" just turned19. He skipped 7th grade and began attending the local college at age 15. He has enough credits to graduate, but is doing 4 yrs because he wanted to do ROTC. And accomplished all that how??? On his own!! You don't know him or his life....don't assume that because I asked a small uniform question that my son does not have what it takes.
 
I am LMAO off right now.

My warrior is 49! He flew fighters for 20 yrs! I was the one that took his blues, or mess dress to the cleaners for 20 yrs. That meant I was the one that made sure all of the pockets were emptied before handing it over. I was the one washing his bags when he was home.
~ What is so wrong with that? Are you going to say that the guy that flew F15 E's wasn't a warrior? The same guy that did Gulf I, ONW, OSW, OIF and OEF was not a warrior because of a laundry issue?

OBTW, I also had a career during many of those yrs., but not a career that demanded 12 hr days, unless you count being Mom in the home, and a career outside of the home too. Don't forget to add on being Dad when he deployed too. So don't try the 40 hr day, because that is a Mom''s job, 365 days a yr. Not whining, just stating the facts.

Now granted he could have done it by himself, but out of love, I did it for him to lighten his load. Did I place on the ribbons, and insignia? Did I shine their shoes No! However, I also did the dry cleaning run for my DS too when he would come home for any break.

I did not see anywhere in this post that the Mom went off to college with their kids. I think they know that their kid can dress himself.

I really think you are reading way too much into this. The parent was doing something out of love. The other reason not to read into this too much is the parent may also want to learn. When and what is appropriate regarding their military attire.
~ Before the leap of Helo parent. Let me say, many parents are not military, and IMPO by asking questions here it reduces the chance of them becoming a Helo. They already know the answer, and thus they don't bring it up with their child.
~~~~ Explain this to me, explain why not? Two days later they won't be asking again, why is it that you can't do that? Can you do this? Child::thumbdown: I told you already!

Military members are so accustomed to their unique life they forget that it comes with it's own set of rules and language.
~ I remember returning home for a visit about 9 months after marrying Bullet. We were moving to his 1st op base. I can still tell you what the weather was like, what we were eating, and who I was with when I realized that I was living in a world that they didn't get.

This is what I said:
Bullet is TDY at SERE, and because of that we will get TDY enroute pay for our PCS from FTU, on top of our TLA and DLA. However, I don't know when that will show up in our bank account, because he won't get his LES until he reports. (Before the day of the internet) TMO picked up our stuff last week. so for a couple of nights we stayed in the Qs. Once we get to Heyford and depending on how long we stay in the TLFs, it may be in England within 6 weeks, or it may not. If not, we can go to the Family Support and they will loan us items from HHGs.

My best friend turned to me and said.
Pima, can you now speak in English to us!:shake:

It was already 2nd nature to me, because as a spouse, it was the world I lived in every single day. Yet for them it was not their world.

Just saying, for parents they are the outsiders now, and their intention is not to be a helo per se or coddle them. Granted there are helo parents. They are wanting to be for a few more yrs involved in their life, and start to understand what will be their life in a blink of an eye.

I have no regrets that I didn't force my DS, an O1 at UPT to man up when he came home from college. I saw it as this is his vacation time. He would be in the real world soon enough, and if he could for once sleep a little later, or not have to spend 2 hrs doing laundry or to the dry cleaners, than why not? Did your folks when you were in college at the age of 19 do your own laundry all of the time at home?

Nor, do I regret doing it for my DH while he was ADAF. FYI, he was a warrior not only in the AF, but did a tour as a Jump ALO with the 82nd. He was on a heavy bound for Haiti with the 82nd.

~~~ Yes, I still do to this day his laundry. I also do it for all of my kids when they come home from college. I don't do it for them at college. I don't dress them. I won't do it if I am not doing laundry and they want it. I do it out of pure love. Nothing more or less. Just like I make dinner for them too!

Done venting, and I hope you can now see it from another parent's/spouses perspective of love.
 
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Nineteen years old... so he IS an adult. Got it. (Actually, I assumed that already.)

None of what you wrote suggests he needs you to research wear of uniform regulations. Everything you write tells me he is VERY capable (sans mom's guiding hands at this point of his life)... yet there you are trying to determine how he should dress at someone's basic training graduation.

Back to the original issue... you asked about uniforms and I gave you realistic advice based on well over 20 years of Army experience. Your defensive posture suggests I struck a nerve. Sometimes truth is uncomfortable. Set aside the defensive attitude and give it some thought. (Remember, not all opinions are "affirmations" and "congratulations".)
 
Pima...I love you! Thank you for your post!

ABF...you did not strike a nerve, I just straight up asked a simple question and you chose to judge.

Enough said...
 
I'm sorry, but are you kidding me with this comment???? My boys are wicked busy with finals! The graduation is Jan 3. One will leave New Orleans after finals, go to MN, then Alaska, back to MN, then to Texas for the graduation. The other has a similiar crazy schedule for break. When they leave school they need to be sure they have their uniform (if they wear it). My 200 wondered if he should wear his modified service dress and I said "I know just where to ask, I'll get back to you". So gosh....so sorry for wanting to be a helpful parent to my very busy child. I thought this was place to get information from some very wise people, so thank you so much to those who answered my question.

I have advised both boys to ask their cadre/detachment for further guidance on the matter.

So, what did they end up wearing and how did that pinball travel schedule work out?
 
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