Boxing class

Wow, who knew boxing could invoke such passion? I am for it.

My favorite lines from this thread:

"Tirade? That’s kind of dramatic. It’s a discussion."

"Myocarditis is a big deal, with potentially long-lasting effects. No institution should take a cavalier attitude toward prevention strategies, given the potentially life-altering ramifications.

That being said, I am not against experimental gene therapy as a mandatory item, but the devil is in the details in terms of how you administer the program."

Ok, I may have altered that last one a smidge.
 
Fact: incidence of myocarditis is far higher in unvaccinated individuals who contract Covid, than in vaccinated individuals.

Fact: mRNA vaccines are not "experimental gene therapy".

But feel free to continue getting your science from Joe Rogan, Q, and other "peer-reviewed" sources.
 
NavyHoops said:
Let’s keep the discussion about boxing. Take other arguments elsewhere, please.
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You have quite the pugilistic attitude. . . [insert one from the following list of comments]

- care to take that up in the ring?
- you should consider service selecting Marines
 
I can do that.

I have heard of Joe Rogan and if I recall I used to watch him on the show Fear Factor many years back. Entertaining guy. Joe Rogan often interviews boxers. As a youngster he was quite good at Tae Kwan Do winning a national meet and state championships four years in a row. I did not know any of this until I googled it just now. Presumably he has taken many hits to the head yet I understand he is quite successful now. He survived martial arts training and competition. Impressive.

Q of course is a reference to the Marquess of Queensbury who lent his name to the "Queensbury Rules" which govern boxing. I have heard of them but didn't know about the quy in particular. Apparently in addition to his contribution to boxing rules he had an ongoing dispute with Oscar Wilde over a homosexual affair Wilde was having with his son. Not very inclusive I say. Times have changed though.

Lastly here is a peer reviewed paper on boxing and whether it is good or not. Some of the research mirrors the discussion in this very thread and may provide guidance for those questioning whether cadets should participate in boxing.


You ask and I deliver!

You're welcome ;)
 
JP4 said:
I can do that. I have heard of Joe Rogan and if I recall I used to watch him on the show Fear Factor many years back. Entertaining guy. Joe Rogan often interviews boxers. As a youngster he was quite good at Tae Kwan Do winning a national meet and state championships four years in a row. I did not know any of this until I googled it just now. Presumably he has taken many hits to the head yet I understand he is quite successful now. He survived martial arts training and competition. Impressive.
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JP4 said:
Q of course is a reference to the Marquess of Queensbury who lent his name to the "Queensbury Rules" which govern boxing. I have heard of them but didn't know about the quy in particular. Apparently in addition to his contribution to boxing rules he had an ongoing dispute with Oscar Wilde over a homosexual affair Wilde was having with his son. Not very inclusive I say. Times have changed though.

Lastly here is a peer reviewed paper on boxing and whether it is good or not. Some of the research mirrors the discussion in this very thread and may provide guidance for those questioning whether cadets should participate in boxing.


You ask and I deliver!

You're welcome ;)
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Good thing Joe didn’t want to become a pilot.

Sounds like Q wouldn’t be welcome at today’s Academy.

The incoming tirade will make Ian look like a discussion.
 
Concusssions will happen whether or not Mids/cadets box. I am much more alarmed by the mention of repeat concussions. Boxing is a 6-10 week class at all three academies, I believe. If cadets are receving a second concussion within that time period then I agree that something seems to be seriously wrong.

FWIW, no other combatives sport I have learned/competed in compares to boxing when it comes to learning how to take a hit and keep fighting. USNA does a good job fitting headgear and mouth guards as well as ensuring coaches are VERY active in the ring when mids box live. Any appearance of a hard blow to the head ended the live bout nearly 100 percent of the time, in my experience. I wonder how USNA and USAFA differ.

To address another point:
A1Janitor said:
Should athletes with multiple concussions in high school be allowed to be inducted as prior concussions are a serious contributing factor?
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DODMERB has strict concussion standards. However, young athletes often hide concussions to continue playing and I am sure plentry of applicants are less than truthful on DODMERB to avoid a DQ.
 
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Skipper07 said:
Concusssions will happen whether or not Mids/cadets box. I am much more alarmed by the mention of repeat concussions. Boxing is a 6-10 week class at all three academies, I believe. If cadets are receving a second concussion within that time period then I agree that something seems to be seriously wrong.

FWIW, no other combatives sport I have learned/competed in compares to boxing when it comes to learning how to take a hit and keep fighting.
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It’s normally the Marines and the Army that end up going to entrenching tools and fight hand to hand after their ammo runs out. This is not an AF pilot activity normally.

i would bet USAF pilots can lean survival techniques during Escape and Evasion training, Ranger school, or any POW training for pilots.

The OP has won me over at least as far as further study and a possible different approach for the pilot community at the USAFA.

Although I hope the AF enlisted are not using pungi sticks in boot camp. Because USAF officers brains being seen as more important than USAF enlisted brains is not a good look. More a cowardly look.

And what Marine officer could show up to command hardcharging enlisted Marines and be someone who was not allowed to box. while the enlisted Marines beat each other with pungi sticks and went thru really intense fighting classes?
 
Small Team Bacsi said:
It’s normally the Marines and the Army that end up going to entrenching tools and fight hand to hand after their ammo runs out. This is not an AF pilot activity normally.

i would bet USAF pilots can lean survival techniques during Escape and Evasion training, Ranger school, or any POW training for pilots.

The OP has won me over at least as far as further study and a possible different approach for the pilot community at the USAFA.

Although I hope the AF enlisted are not using pungi sticks in boot camp. Because USAF officers brains being seen as more important than USAF enlisted brains is not a good look. More a cowardly look.

And what Marine officer could show up to command hardcharging enlisted Marines and be someone who was not allowed to box. while the enlisted Marines beat each other with pungi sticks and went thru really intense fighting classes?
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I'm thinking you mean pugil sticks...
 
One viewing too many of "The Green Berets" no doubt.
 
They actually tell you why. The answer is not surprising. It fits in with several active recent discussions in this USAFA section.

www.usafa.edu

Boxing Instills Warrior Mindset at Academy

Boxing becomes mandatory for female cadets, enhancing their educational opportunities as they learn to develop resiliency.
www.usafa.edu www.usafa.edu

"The change follows Defense Department guidelines published in January opening combat roles to women.

Academy Superintendent Lt. Gen. Michelle Johnson said getting women into the ring is a logical step.

“The Secretary of Defense opened all military occupations and positions to women without exception,” she said. “It makes sense the Academy provides our female cadets the same boxing and combative training we provide our male cadets.”

Johnson said boxing enhances cadets’ educational opportunities.

“They learn to overcome adversity, develop resiliency, act with ethical decision making and maintain composure under pressure,” she said. “This is all part of something bigger — the warrior ethos, a mindset all of us in the profession of arms must maintain every day we serve.”

The change in curriculum took place after all cadets were screened to form the baseline for a concussion study examining the impact of head injuries. Previously, female cadets learned basic grappling and striking techniques."
 
I'm not against whacking soldiers in the head as part of training, but I am totally for a separate standard for those with a history of concussions. Multiples are a very large problem, with the risk of repetition AND the severity going up with each subsequent incident.

I have a daughter who has had two or three. It's unclear whether we should count the softball thing in sixth grade, but the last one was in Oct of her senior year of high school, She got crushed during VB practice and was out of school for a couple months, out of the gym until January and not back to normal for most of a year. Sleeping for 15 hours a day, random crying jags, headaches, dizziness, it's not some wimpy complaint. If you can learn from getting punched then let's do that and embrace the warrior ethos. But we also need to avoid extra stupidity when we can and let cadets wear their concussion chit as proof they've been in the ring and can handle getting punched, and save the limited number of concussion bullets each person gets for the rest of life: plane crashes, getting punched in real non-training situations and so on. Until you see first-hand how long it takes to shake these off it is frequently not taken seriously. It's a huge deal and fairly avoidable.
 
boxing is great cardio but a decent female bjj white belt could tap floyd mayweather in about 11 sec
 
A1Janitor said:
I would take that bet.
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well you've listened to Joe Rogan in the past.... "MMA for sure is more of a realistic contest, more of a realistic test as far as using the body in martial arts competition. Although not considered a martial art, boxing is really a martial art. It's a very limited martial art as long as you agree to just box...but in an actual physical fight against someone who's just a wrestler, you're going to get killed. Floyd Mayweather would get killed by an average college wrestler. There would be no competition. If you took Floyd Mayweather today and made him fight against your average college wrestler, that college wrestler is going to shoot on him, pick him up, drop him on his head and knock him out. There's nothing Floyd can do about it...A judo guy would do the same thing to him. A JuJitsu guy would strangle him, no question about it."
 
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