Boy's State or Navy JROTC Leadership Academy?

Due to a cancellation, my DS has been offered a slot for Marksman high adventure through Boy Scouts. It conflicts with Boys State, however an wanted to gauge the room to see if it would be that big of a deal to not select BS. Program details are below...seems like this wouldn't be a bad thing to miss.

"The Marksman program provides a depth of shooting knowledge and experience for even the most advanced participants. This program includes three days focused on marksmanship fundamentals while providing an environment to push participants beyond their normal comfort zones. Our three day intensive shooting program includes: high powered rifles (.223 and .308), shotgun (12g trap and sporting clays), pistol (Sig .22 and 9mm), static & long range archery, LaPorte Archery (Sporting Arrows) and 3D target simulation.

You and your group will shoot: 5 stand shotgun, Sporting Clays, .22 pistol, 9mm pistol .22 rifle, .223 rifle, .308 rifle, and .224 Valkyrie on our 1000 yard gun range.

Spend three days and two nights on “A” Ridge with the shooting staff and leave with the best training the Boy Scouts of America has to offer. Finish your week with a ride on the Big Zip."
Your DS will get very little to no points in his ECA and Leadership columns for the marksmanship event. Boys State (and Girls State) is a little known event but gets high points on the Whole Candidate Score. I recommend the Boys State. My daughter had to decline NASS last year and went to Girls State instead. She is now going to NAPS in July.
 
You and your group will shoot: 5 stand shotgun, Sporting Clays, .22 pistol, 9mm pistol .22 rifle, .223 rifle, .308 rifle, and .224 Valkyrie on our 1000 yard gun range.
Too bad nothing there to really get out to 1000 yards accurately! The .308 might be able to stretch out there, but accuracy will be crap.

Need 6.5 creedmoor, .338 Lapua, etc.. Easy to reach out and touch a target past 1000 yards then! ;)
 
Too bad nothing there to really get out to 1000 yards accurately! The .308 might be able to stretch out there, but accuracy will be crap.

Need 6.5 creedmoor, .338 Lapua, etc.. Easy to reach out and touch a target past 1000 yards then! ;)
That's what the .224 is for. Although I am not sure we are even going out to the 1k line. Frankly, it's just nice to be even on a 1000 yard range...it's a miracle that someone finally convinced BSA to allow >.22 ...It took an Act of God.
 
Due to a cancellation, my DS has been offered a slot for Marksman high adventure through Boy Scouts. It conflicts with Boys State, however an wanted to gauge the room to see if it would be that big of a deal to not select BS. Program details are below...seems like this wouldn't be a bad thing to miss.

"The Marksman program provides a depth of shooting knowledge and experience for even the most advanced participants. This program includes three days focused on marksmanship fundamentals while providing an environment to push participants beyond their normal comfort zones. Our three day intensive shooting program includes: high powered rifles (.223 and .308), shotgun (12g trap and sporting clays), pistol (Sig .22 and 9mm), static & long range archery, LaPorte Archery (Sporting Arrows) and 3D target simulation.

You and your group will shoot: 5 stand shotgun, Sporting Clays, .22 pistol, 9mm pistol .22 rifle, .223 rifle, .308 rifle, and .224 Valkyrie on our 1000 yard gun range.

Spend three days and two nights on “A” Ridge with the shooting staff and leave with the best training the Boy Scouts of America has to offer. Finish your week with a ride on the Big Zip."
Thinking about this a bit, you might want to consider how strong your son's Leadership credentials are without Boys State. Remember that there are points given for different "boxes" and Boys State is a box. A candidate who is a team captain as well as Student Council President and a couple of other things might not benefit as much from Boys State. Otherwise, it looks to me like choosing a Sports Camp (no points) over a Leadership Opportunity (points).
In the end though its up to you and your son.
 
DS attended Boys State, and the first counselor he met on the bus ride told him he would get out of it what he put into it. Seemed cliché at the moment, but it really turned out to be true. He is still in touch with that counselor, who likely will be a mentor of his for life.

He found himself surrounded by 250 young men who were all leaders in their own ways, athletes, scholars, mentors, tutors, you name it, they represented a very well-rounded and talented group of young men.

He ended up at Boys Nation and was surrounded by more talent from across the country. Met his Senators and Congressional Representative.

He is still friends with many and in a group chat for both State and Nation that has lasted since 2019.

When we attended Senator 1's SA appointment presser, he nudged me and pointed to 5 young men who he had met at Boys State, they are all at SAs now.

Is it a box you can check on a SA application? Yes. Is Governor or Lt. Governor a box you can check? Yes. The same goes with Boys Nation. No one knows how much weight it actually carries.

I'm not saying one gets you the other, but I do believe that the type of young men who are nominated and attend Boys State tend to be leaders and young men who are excelling at what they do.
 
I always heard/read that the SAs like Boys State, certainly a leadership checkbox. My younger son doing it this summer along with the Naval Summer Seminar, but he has no interest in the SAs, he's possible considering NROTC, he's hoping Boys State gets looked upon favorably by the Ivy League schools he will apply to.
 
That's what the .224 is for. Although I am not sure we are even going out to the 1k line. Frankly, it's just nice to be even on a 1000 yard range...
Derp. Forgot the Valkyrie had that effective range.

Closest 1000 yard to me is a little over 2 hours away. They raised their range membership by almost triple the price, so I didn't renew.
 
I went to leadership academy when faced with this decision. Noted, I think it helped me get CO of my JROTC unit and that probably had more bearing than Boys State would have.

Got top cadet for NC and SC, and was a platoon commander while there. Those things might have helped make it more meaningful to admissions. I had a great time.

I know some people who went to Boys State and the caliber of the typical Boys State attendee is not always exemplary. Of course, the same is with NJROTC LA's. Boys State is held with such esteem but all I heard about was a bunch of messing around and in knowing some of the candidates I am sure it is a great program but it sounds like it is overrated from an admissions standpoint. Maybe my state just has a bad program, and then again I am just getting this secondhand.

You can check a box for boys state though in the application and not for LA. So I would say academies prioritize it.
 
Thinking about this a bit, you might want to consider how strong your son's Leadership credentials are without Boys State. Remember that there are points given for different "boxes" and Boys State is a box. A candidate who is a team captain as well as Student Council President and a couple of other things might not benefit as much from Boys State. Otherwise, it looks to me like choosing a Sports Camp (no points) over a Leadership Opportunity (points).
In the end though its up to you and your son.
He’s going to go with the BSA opportunity. I know boys state looks great to the Naval Academy, but I can’t necessarily disagree with his reasoning. COVID-19 really affected his ability to do a lot of the high speed stuff in Boy Scouts and he is trying to make up for lost time. He is serving as the crew leader for a group of 12 boys this summer at for a 9 day trek high altitude at Philmont Scout Ranch, so that along with Eagle and OA seems to be pretty strong in the leadership category.
 
I went to leadership academy when faced with this decision. Noted, I think it helped me get CO of my JROTC unit and that probably had more bearing than Boys State would have.

Got top cadet for NC and SC, and was a platoon commander while there. Those things might have helped make it more meaningful to admissions. I had a great time.

I know some people who went to Boys State and the caliber of the typical Boys State attendee is not always exemplary. Of course, the same is with NJROTC LA's. Boys State is held with such esteem but all I heard about was a bunch of messing around and in knowing some of the candidates I am sure it is a great program but it sounds like it is overrated from an admissions standpoint. Maybe my state just has a bad program, and then again I am just getting this secondhand.

You can check a box for boys state though in the application and not for LA. So I would say academies prioritize it.
I doubt boys state helped my son’s admission into USNA.

It certainly was one of the best activities my son participated in and one I would recommend it whether you need leadership points or not.
 
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JROTC leadership academy is better … I’m biased … why not go to both of them … you can be that guy that always leaves the program early or arrives late because you are so overbooked and always on the move … so little time for anything substantive … it’s usually the parent’s doing … you just sit in the back seat and eat your happy meal and McFlurry while your parent shuttles you …
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JROTC leadership academy is better … I’m biased … why not go to both of them … you can be that guy that always leaves the program early or arrives late because you are so overbooked and always on the move … so little time for anything substantive … it’s usually the parent’s doing … you just sit in the back seat and eat your happy meal and McFlurry while your parent shuttles you …
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I don't know about JROTC Leadership Academy but it is not possible to show up or leave our Boys State program early. The bus ride to and from Boys State is mandatory. We were told that if DS could not attend the whole week including the bus ride, ds could not attend at all. I know that not all Boys State programs are the same but I'd make sure it is an option before planning it.

As far as the BSA high adventure goes...your ds should do what is best for him. My oldest ds did both Sea Base and Philmont. While he enjoyed Sea Base thoroughly and endured Philmont, he got the most out of Boys State. He really wants to go back and be a Boys State counselor if he could ever work it into his schedule. USAFA has a Philmont summer program and he stated that he "is never doing that" when I asked him about it. Evidently, it was a once in a lifetime event for him. LOL.
 
you can be that guy that always leaves the program early or arrives late because you are so overbooked and always on the move
I'm a Boys State staffer and trustee in my state. Leaving early is not allowed. There are a few very defined scenarios where we allow delegates to leave and rejoin but its for a few hours, not days. If someone leaves, they are disenrolled with no certificate or other completion record. What's more, the post that paid for you to go is out the money that THEY PAID for you to go.
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I spend months and months helping pull money together that people would rather spend on other things and I do take it very personally when it gets lit on fire and burned so to speak. The people who interviewed, accepted and vouched for the kid who runs off feel like idiots and have to defend themselves to their peers. We often speak here of the candidates who don't get admitted into the Academies, how about the kids who want to go to Boys State but we run out of funded slots. . . that kid who didn't get to attend must feel real special when someone wastes a slot and leaves in the middle.
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As for arriving late? Go for it but make sure you tell your parents to wait when they drop you off because you'll be going back home with them. We do make allowances of an hour or two of late arrival but after that, we don't allow it.
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Got any more great suggestions for folks attending MY PROGRAM that I help PAY FOR?
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Maybe I need to take a break here before I say some things that I know I shouldn't say.
 
Anecdotally...

DC high school classmate attended Boys State, was Eagle Scout, athletic team captain, class president multiple years, strong academics & test scores, all the other data points and multiple nominations...no admission to any Academy. Ended up accepting scholarship to very prestigious private university on the East Coast.

Other DC classmate did not attend Boys State, no Scouting, not athletic team captain but solid athlete, no student government, worked part time virtually entire high school career, excellent grades and test scores, only one nomination...received appointment and is now a JO.

There is no hard and fast recipe of ingredients that will guarantee an offer of appointment to any Academy. The only thing an applicant can do is to push themselves to be the best candidate they can be by excelling academically, conditioning themselves physically, and pursuing those extracurricular activities and leadership roles that speak to them passionately on a personal level. Put forth the package that represents your unique qualities and achievements. It is basically the same advice that is given when it comes to writing essays - write YOUR essay, not what you think the recipient wants to hear. So compile YOUR profile, the one that only you can submit, not some artificial construct that you think they want to see.
Interestingly, this is almost the exact same statement that my son received from the midshipman that hosted him at CVW. He mentioned that obviously there are certain boxes you need (or should) check for Annapolis, but you also have to follow your passions as well. It can’t be USNA 24/7 for your last 2 years of high school. That’s a potential 1 way ticket to regret. With DS, he is taking the big picture route…if he misses out the first time, then improve more and come back the next year. His Mid during CVW had barely made the age cutoff for plebe year. He came back with even more motivation, but also a somewhat different outlook on goals.
 
My DS was battalion XO of his JROTC unit and captain of the state championship drill team. Boy's State was the best experience of his life. Leadership Academy was also the same time as Boy's State. It was a no-brainer. Boy's State. So he missed Leadership Academy. From what I heard LA was a lot of being yelled at by drill instructors. I haven't really heard much good about it, but since DS did not do it, I don't have all the details.
 
My DS was battalion XO of his JROTC unit and captain of the state championship drill team. Boy's State was the best experience of his life. Leadership Academy was also the same time as Boy's State. It was a no-brainer. Boy's State. So he missed Leadership Academy. From what I heard LA was a lot of being yelled at by drill instructors. I haven't really heard much good about it, but since DS did not do it, I don't have all the details.
From what I heard LA was a lot of being yelled at by drill instructors.
You're right about that..but that was what made it worthwhile for me.

It was a great oppurtunity to learn how to function in a platoon. We had enlisted or Ret. enlisted sailors and marines as our Platoon leaders.

I really enjoyed it and it helped me with leading a JROTC unit. But if you aren't looking to do this it might not be as beneficial as Boys State. To each their own.
 
Current senior here who attended both Girl's State and NJROTC Leadership Academy (LA). I am going to be adding more of my insight on LA for two main reasons 1) I am hoping to give you a well-rounded interpretation of both camps by making up for the lack of knowledge on LA simply because it is the lesser-known camp and 2) I was selected to return and as a cadre (platoon advisor/instructor assistant) meaning I have a behind the scenes look at the overall goals the camp strives to instill in its cadets.
I apologize in advance, this is pretty long but from what I have seen, this is a decision many have to make so I hope it helps you and anyone else dealing with the same problem.

First off, huge congrats to you, and anyone in the same boat, for being considered to attend these camps. Many strong candidates to the SAs are where you are, meaning you are definitely on track. Both are incredible opportunities that I full-heartedly believe you will not regret your decision one way or another. That being said, I do feel as though each camp will attribute greatly to different parts of your resume.

Boys State: While I attended Girl's State and the two are quite different in a few ways, the general goals of both camps are the just tailored slightly to the attendees (boys vs. girls). The end result of the camp is, according to my experiences, to instill patriotism, understanding of the US government and to build camaraderie and create a state-wide network of top-notch boys/girls. These ideals are what the academies are trying to drive into their candidate pool. The main pros coming from Boys State, from my perspective, are becoming part of the network in your state, getting a hands-on experience on the inner workings of the government and most importantly demonstrating your interest in the academies as they all recommend you go. (I would add on but there is already so much that has been said on this thread that would just end up being repetitive)

Leadership Academy: While I'm not sure which Area you are in, the camps are designed to be extremely similar all across the country. LAs are there to give the top cadets an opportunity to be put in a high stress environment and learn leadership through both classroom and hands on learning through interaction with others and their own mistakes, all to develop them further as leaders so they can return to their units in the fall and improve them. While these camps aren't specifically listed by the academies, they have so many applicants from NJROTC, that they have definitely heard of it before. The main pros coming from LA are the leadership training and experience and the networking throughout the program. I cannot stress enough how much LA changed me. I learned so much about interacting with others, dealing with all different sorts of situations, and picking myself up after the failures that no doubt will plague your week by design. These examples and experiences gave me so much to draw from during the numerous interviews of the application process. I would highly recommend LA for that reason alone. These also give a tremendous networking opportunity within the program and while being known by other cadets is great, but what mostly counts is by those who can write you a recommendation letter. My own Area Manager wrote me a very lengthy recommendation letter to all the academies I applied for because he knew me by name. The academies want to see you commit to and extra-curricular and be successful. LA, I would say, is the route to take if you depend on having NJROTC as a strong part of your resume.

Decision: I believe both are great opportunities and I think the answer to the question: Leadership Academy or Boys/Girls State, is subjective to each individual candidate. My advice would be to pick the summer camp that will make you the most well rounded. I feel like Boys State will contribute more to your resume on paper as its encouraged by the academies while LA would contribute to your skills/experiences and not have as many points on your resume but would definitely come across during your interviews and even your confidence. I believe most would benefit more from Boy's/Girl's State however if LA is what you want to do, don't let that keep you from attending. Again, this is all my opinion based on my experiences in both camps.

In the end the decision is yours, and there is no wrong decision the way I see it. Consider which you are more excited to go as this is likely a great indicator of which camp you will put more effort toward. Either way, I cannot stress enough how important it is that you take full advantage of whichever camp you decide to attend. If you end up going to Boys State, write a bill, apply for positions, and make good friends you meet, they are the kind of people you want to surround yourself with. If you go to Leadership Academy, challenge yourself to step outside of your comfort zone and don't be afraid to make mistakes, just learn from them and hold your head high: they are proof you are giving 100%.

Best of luck to whoever reads this and know that ultimately this is a great problem to have: "which selective summer camp do I go to?"
 
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Due to a cancellation, my DS has been offered a slot for Marksman high adventure through Boy Scouts. It conflicts with Boys State, however an wanted to gauge the room to see if it would be that big of a deal to not select BS. Program details are below...seems like this wouldn't be a bad thing to miss.

"The Marksman program provides a depth of shooting knowledge and experience for even the most advanced participants. This program includes three days focused on marksmanship fundamentals while providing an environment to push participants beyond their normal comfort zones. Our three day intensive shooting program includes: high powered rifles (.223 and .308), shotgun (12g trap and sporting clays), pistol (Sig .22 and 9mm), static & long range archery, LaPorte Archery (Sporting Arrows) and 3D target simulation.

You and your group will shoot: 5 stand shotgun, Sporting Clays, .22 pistol, 9mm pistol .22 rifle, .223 rifle, .308 rifle, and .224 Valkyrie on our 1000 yard gun range.

Spend three days and two nights on “A” Ridge with the shooting staff and leave with the best training the Boy Scouts of America has to offer. Finish your week with a ride on the Big Zip."
Sounds more fun than playing a politician...;)
 
Current senior here who attended both Girl's State and NJROTC Leadership Academy (LA). I am going to be adding more of my insight on LA for two main reasons 1) I am hoping to give you a well-rounded interpretation of both camps by making up for the lack of knowledge on LA simply because it is the lesser-known camp and 2) I was selected to return and as a cadre (platoon advisor/instructor assistant) meaning I have a behind the scenes look at the overall goals the camp strives to instill in its cadets.
I apologize in advance, this is pretty long but from what I have seen, this is a decision many have to make so I hope it helps you and anyone else dealing with the same problem.

First off, huge congrats to you, and anyone in the same boat, for being considered to attend these camps. Many strong candidates to the SAs are where you are, meaning you are definitely on track. Both are incredible opportunities that I full-heartedly believe you will not regret your decision one way or another. That being said, I do feel as though each camp will attribute greatly to different parts of your resume.

Boys State: While I attended Girl's State and the two are quite different in a few ways, the general goals of both camps are the just tailored slightly to the attendees (boys vs. girls). The end result of the camp is, according to my experiences, to instill patriotism, understanding of the US government and to build camaraderie and create a state-wide network of top-notch boys/girls. These ideals are what the academies are trying to drive into their candidate pool. The main pros coming from Boys State, from my perspective, are becoming part of the network in your state, getting a hands-on experience on the inner workings of the government and most importantly demonstrating your interest in the academies as they all recommend you go. (I would add on but there is already so much that has been said on this thread that would just end up being repetitive)

Leadership Academy: While I'm not sure which Area you are in, the camps are designed to be extremely similar all across the country. LAs are there to give the top cadets an opportunity to be put in a high stress environment and learn leadership through both classroom and hands on learning through interaction with others and their own mistakes, all to develop them further as leaders so they can return to their units in the fall and improve them. While these camps aren't specifically listed by the academies, they have so many applicants from NJROTC, that they have definitely heard of it before. The main pros coming from LA are the leadership training and experience and the networking throughout the program. I cannot stress enough how much LA changed me. I learned so much about interacting with others, dealing with all different sorts of situations, and picking myself up after the failures that no doubt will plague your week by design. These examples and experiences gave me so much to draw from during the numerous interviews of the application process. I would highly recommend LA for that reason alone. These also give a tremendous networking opportunity within the program and while being known by other cadets is great, but what mostly counts is by those who can write you a recommendation letter. My own Area Manager wrote me a very lengthy recommendation letter to all the academies I applied for because he knew me by name. The academies want to see you commit to and extra-curricular and be successful. LA, I would say, is the route to take if you depend on having NJROTC as a strong part of your resume.

Decision: I believe both are great opportunities and I think the answer to the question: Leadership Academy or Boys/Girls State, is subjective to each individual candidate. My advice would be to pick the summer camp that will make you the most well rounded. I feel like Boys State will contribute more to your resume on paper as its encouraged by the academies while LA would contribute to your skills/experiences and not have as many points on your resume but would definitely come across during your interviews and even your confidence. I believe most would benefit more from Boy's/Girl's State however if LA is what you want to do, don't let that keep you from attending. Again, this is all my opinion based on my experiences in both camps.

In the end the decision is yours, and there is no wrong decision the way I see it. Consider which you are more excited to go as this is likely a great indicator of which camp you will put more effort toward. Either way, I cannot stress enough how important it is that you take full advantage of whichever camp you decide to attend. If you end up going to Boys State, write a bill, apply for positions, and make good friends you meet, they are the kind of people you want to surround yourself with. If you go to Leadership Academy, challenge yourself to step outside of your comfort zone and don't be afraid to make mistakes, just learn from them and hold your head high: they are proof you are giving 100%.

Best of luck to whoever reads this and know that ultimately this is a great problem to have: "which selective summer camp do I go to?"
Thank you so much! I'm in NJROTC Area 12!
 
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