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USNAHopeful123456

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Does anyone have a rough estimate of USNA's acceptance rate for college students? I am curious if my odds are different than high school applicants.
 
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The class of 2023 includes 345 mids from college and post-high school prep programs. 88 of which are from college or university. Of course, to get a percentage you would have to know how many college students apply and I'm not sure if that information is available.
 
hopefulUSNA25 said:
This may or may not help...
The class of 2023 includes 345 mids from college and post-high school prep programs. 88 of which are from college or university. Of course, to get a percentage you would have to know how many college students apply and I'm not sure if that information is available.
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Thank you for the answer. That helps but I wish they had the specifics available so I could do the calculation.
 
Until you know that you are 3Q with a nomination, it is impossible to calculate the odds. Since USNA will not tell you if you're 3Q, it is therefore impossible to calculate the odds of receiving an Offer of Appointment.
 
THParent said:
Until you know that you are 3Q with a nomination, it is impossible to calculate the odds. Since USNA will not tell you if you're 3Q, it is therefore impossible to calculate the odds of receiving an Offer of Appointment.
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That is understandable; however, does this information help at all. On the CFA I recieved a maximum score on the pushups, situps, and pull ups. On the other three events I earned an 8 second shuttle run, 6:09 mile, and 79 foot basketball throw. I am dodmerb qualified and have a good college gpa. My courses are calculus, physics, rotc, and an upper division political science course. Does this information help? Either way, thank you for the response.
 
I've never seen the acceptance rate broken down between college vs. h.s. students. I've never heard anything about it being substantially different, but that doesn't mean it isn't.
 
USNAHopeful123456 said:
That is understandable; however, does this information help at all. On the CFA I recieved a maximum score on the pushups, situps, and pull ups. On the other three events I earned an 8 second shuttle run, 6:09 mile, and 79 foot basketball throw. I am dodmerb qualified and have a good college gpa. My courses are calculus, physics, rotc, and an upper division political science course. Does this information help? Either way, thank you for the response.
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Why focus on the odds? College admissions, and especially service academy admissions, isn't a game of chance. If you aren't 3Q'd, you aren't even in the game. If you are 3Q'd, you are in direct competition with the other 9 kids on your slate (whether they are high school or college applicants) and only those 9 kids on your slate. If you don't win your slate, then you go into the national pool, where you are in direct competition with only those kids also in the national pool. The likelihood of winning an offer out of the national pool depend on your WCS ranking, and things beyond your control like, race, gender, etc., etc. The higher your WCS score, the more likely you will win the competition and receive an appointment. Don't focus on the odds - focus on doing anything and everything you can to increase your WCS so you win the competition.
 
USNAHopeful123456 said:
Does anyone have a rough estimate of USNA's acceptance rate for college students? I am curious if my odds are different than high school applicants.
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As a college applicant as well, I was told by my admissions counselor last year that a smaller number of students apply from college (predictable) than from high school. Thus, the number of midshipmen who were college applicants will be smaller than those from high school because of the application numbers. I was also told that doing well in college (grades, getting involved, work, etc) could potentially put you ahead of an equivalent high school student because it shows you can handle a schedule somewhat closer to that of someone at the Academy.
 
I don’t know the odds but they are pretty high of you have really good grades and a good CFA score. If you are highly qualified and you did well in hard college classes you are reviewed as more favored than a high school app with same qualifications. Based on NSI participants there are maybe 1000 4Cs in college this year. I’d guess 10 percent bothered to reapply (100)and then compare that to the number of appointments of college reapps in class of 2023 (88). This of course assumes the college reapplicant is in a ROTC program and not just a regular college student. Just my opinion as well
 
Will knowing the acceptance rate of college applicants change anything you are doing right now?

If not, I would just focus on continuing to get the best grades possible and being in terrific physical condition.
 
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Just as an anecdote, a lot of the HS applicants who do not get in to the SA's may attend University ROTC Programs. Additionally, many of these applicants are super bright, take college level classes in HS and find themselves one or two semesters ahead of the normal freshman due to transfer credits. Additionally, many are STEM majors (which the SA's all like) and if they do well in their freshman year the academies look very favorable at them for a second look. Anyone who is willing to give up 60 college credits, is a stem major with 3.0 or better GPA, and completes a year of ROTC is telling the academy they are a good fit, are serious, and have a high probability of success academically and mentally in an academy setting. They are more of a "known factor" than a HS student so IMHO I would think that a college re-applicant (if they were "highly competitive" initially) would look even stronger after a year of college level work and ROTC.
 
The acceptance rate of college re-applicants is irrelevant without knowing how strong a candidate was when they first applied. A strong candidate who just missed out on an appointment will most likely get an offer the next year after a successful semester of a challenging plebe like schedule and improvement of test scores. A weak applicant who does not improve test scores and does not have a good first semester of college will most likely be eliminated. The admission process does favor college re-applicants in the academic portion of the ranking systems.
 
USMA 1994 said:
The acceptance rate of college re-applicants is irrelevant without knowing how strong a candidate was when they first applied. A strong candidate who just missed out on an appointment will most likely get an offer the next year after a successful semester of a challenging plebe like schedule and improvement of test scores. A weak applicant who does not improve test scores and does not have a good first semester of college will most likely be eliminated. The admission process does favor college re-applicants in the academic portion of the ranking systems.
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Does the "college boost" for college re-applicants for academics exist at all of the "big 3" academies?
 
USMA 1994 said:
The acceptance rate of college re-applicants is irrelevant without knowing how strong a candidate was when they first applied. A strong candidate who just missed out on an appointment will most likely get an offer the next year after a successful semester of a challenging plebe like schedule and improvement of test scores. A weak applicant who does not improve test scores and does not have a good first semester of college will most likely be eliminated. The admission process does favor college re-applicants in the academic portion of the ranking systems.
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Thank you for the answer. That is helpful. I was told by my BGO that I was extremely close to an appointment last year. Hopefully my improvements will push me over the edge.
 
usna1985 said:
I've never seen the acceptance rate broken down between college vs. h.s. students. I've never
Korab said:
Why focus on the odds? College admissions, and especially service academy admissions, isn't a game of chance. If you aren't 3Q'd, you aren't even in the game. If you are 3Q'd, you are in direct competition with the other 9 kids on your slate (whether they are high school or college applicants) and only those 9 kids on your slate. If you don't win your slate, then you go into the national pool, where you are in direct competition with only those kids also in the national pool. The likelihood of winning an offer out of the national pool depend on your WCS ranking, and things beyond your control like, race, gender, etc., etc. The higher your WCS score, the more likely you will win the competition and receive an appointment. Don't focus on the odds - focus on doing anything and everything you can to increase your WCS so you win the competition.
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Thank you for the extra clarification. I did not know that if a candidate does not win in his slate he/she then moves to a national pool. And you are right. I should not be focusing on the odds. My application has been submitted and I hope what I have done demonstrates a will to attend because it is my dream.
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Impulsive said:
Just as an anecdote, a lot of the HS applicants who do not get in to the SA's may attend University ROTC Programs. Additionally, many of these applicants are super bright, take college level classes in HS and find themselves one or two semesters ahead of the normal freshman due to transfer credits. Additionally, many are STEM majors (which the SA's all like) and if they do well in their freshman year the academies look very favorable at them for a second look. Anyone who is willing to give up 60 college credits, is a stem major with 3.0 or better GPA, and completes a year of ROTC is telling the academy they are a good fit, are serious, and have a high probability of success academically and mentally in an academy setting. They are more of a "known factor" than a HS student so IMHO I would think that a college re-applicant (if they were "highly competitive" initially) would look even stronger after a year of college level work and ROTC.
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And I would agree. I hope that is the case. Thanks for the opinion.
 
Keep in mind that your MOC’s may judge your dedication and tenacity differently. You could greatly impress them with your strong desire and how hard you worked and assign you as a principal nomination on their slate. Or rank you as their number one. Maybe not, who knows, but there is also the MOC piece to consider.

The thing you will have is great essay material. Growth, maturing, things you have learned about yourself and your desire to attend. It takes a dedicated person to reapply (and basically extending your graduation a year), imo. I wouldn’t be surprised if that helped your standing as far as receiving a nom. Either specifically or peripherally.

But agree it changes nothing as far as how you apply. Good luck, I personally have a lot of respect for reapplicants who have had a taste of ‘freedom’ at ‘regular college’. That would be a tough choice after making friends, establishing yourself.
 
Quite a few college applicants get in, and there are also those that don’t despite having a strong record. Regarding the acceptance rate, this isn’t a game of chance. You’re not playing roulette, you’re trying to get into a school and the way you do that is by crushing those core classes your first semester. If you’re asking whether a candidate is more likely to be admitted after a year of college taking Plebe classes with a GPA of 3.5+, all else being equal, I think the answer is almost certainly yes, based on what worked for me, what I’ve heard from other successful re-applicants, and what some of the BGOs on this forum have said. However bear in mind that there are so many variables at play here.
 
USNAHopeful123456 said:
That is helpful. I was told by my BGO that I was extremely close to an appointment last year. Hopefully my improvements will push me over the edge.
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At the risk of bilging your BGO, there really is no way for a BGO to know if you were "extremely close" to appointment unless they were a fly on the wall while Noms and Appointments made their decisions. If you didn't get a TWE until late in the game, its an indicator that you were competitive. However, keep in mind that each year brings a new group of competitors ...which can be good or bad.

I can tell OP is looking for someone to tell him that his chances are better this year...and to some degree they are if he has demonstrated performance in college level course (with STEM emphasis), and perseverance gives some boost. However, Admission to USNA is not about odds, its about USNA admitting the best qualified applicants they can get (of course subject to the constraints they have to work under (i.e. Nominations ).
 
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