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Re-read it. RSS is not command.

It states:

Evaluate each person on the whole person concept. Since CGPA, PFA score and standardized test scores are calculated in the OM; they should only indirectly relate the ranking as they relate to demonstrated abilities to numerous responsibilities at once. WINGS will compute the Relative Standing Score (RSS) based on the UCR and class size.

Now read the multiplication table.

The PSP OM is calculated by multiplying the RSS, CGPA, PFA, SAT-R by their weighting factors then adding them together. Notice CPGA is in the equation.
 
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LT - Pima is speaking about air force only - I believe.
My son is currently NROTC scholarship - I do not believe Navy does the program like air force. I certainly worry -larrys mom
 
Thanks! I was just responding to "marciemi" about a question that he/she posted earlier in this AF forum about whether NROTC does what AFROTC does regarding EA. Glad to hear your answer is the same as mine.
 
Yes it was for AFROTC.

Cadets on this thread are C200's at least (in college sophomore or junior).

Southmom I think that link is great, end of subject, period...dot.

It is not meant offensively at all. It is meant to say, at least for our child this is what we lived through.

I have stated many times my journey will be different than those now since DS was lucky to escape it for his yr group (12).

I am only still here to give examples from experience. I am more than happy to bow to you and say listen to Southmom. You can have the torch.

I only want parents and cadets to have the most current info.

Honestly, I am happy you want to take the torch, ask around I wanted to someone like you for months now.

I am the casino card dealer: clap hands, show the hands to the players, and thank you!

Honestly, I will stick around for the last of my pms, but my shift is over. Time for a new guardian.

I need to concentrate on my family.

God speed to you all.
 
It is amazing some of the numbers that these cadets are saying they have who aren't getting EA's. I find out tmrw if i get mine and am quite nervous
 
Our detachment got 20 slots out of 45, only 44%. The 25 that did not receive slots were mostly non techs. A lot of good quality cadets were selected over those that just had the right major and the right GPA.
 
I'm pretty nervous myself even as a 100. I thought going into ROTC as long as my GPA was a 3.5+ and had PFA over 95 I would be fine. However, it seems like that might not be the case anymore.

For the most part, if you are a tech major and have those numbers AND have a solid commander's ranking (I know last year the average commander's ranking was 7 - not sure about this year), that still generally holds. For non-techs, you just have to have a slightly higher GPA - 0.1-0.15 higher. Everyone with a GPA of 3.5 from my detachment got in. The ones who didn't generally had GPAs in the 2.5-3.0 range. One cadet who we thought was a lock didn't get in because his first semester of college he had a sub-1.0 GPA, which hurt him even when he came back to college and tried ROTC 5 years later. But his cumulative GPA that the board saw was 3.0ish. Work hard and unless the cuts are significantly larger than last year, you should get in.
 
This year there was a 57% section rate. Tech majors fared much better than non-tech. Overall looks like right under 2000 were selected out of about 3400.

Your Commanders Ranking is 50% of your RSS, this is a SERIOUS ranking that will or will not get you top FT. It was what got me there because I am non-tech with a lower than average GPA.

Be active and do good the semester before you are put up for an EA and you should fair well.
 
OK so I'm feeling pretty lucky reading this thread. My det had about a 70% selection rate. Something like 44 out of a little less than 70. It was a tough year but reading this thread and some of the stats of the people who didn't get an EA shocks me.

I am a 250 (gpa 3.51 non-tech, pfa 95) so I'm counting my blessings that I got one at all. To those of you who made the cut, see you at Maxwell.
 
Is there any word on EA awarded after PSP due to people dropping or getting kicked out after they got their EAs?
 
Is there any word on EA awarded after PSP due to people dropping or getting kicked out after they got their EAs?

It didnt happen last year. And judging by the way the officers at the det are talking, I dont think itll happen this year.
 
I thought there was people who were notified over the summer of their EA acceptance after they been rejected. Why not this year, people will get booted for random stuff before, during and after maxwell.
 
It rarely happens because this board meets once. It is not like scholarships, where they continue to meet multiple times.

Additionally, I have never heard of anyone getting booted from Maxwell unless it was medical. The thing with that is you can only miss X days, hence, even if they got booted minute 1, break a leg getting off the van from the airport. The AF cannot turn around orders fast enough to get someone in to meet the reg of missing X days. Big reason why, at least for our DS's det., only those selected do the bag drag and the physical. That means they are the only ones issued ABU's, ~~~ without name tags, only ones that have the 2nd set of blues, only one with a current medical update including shots. It is not as if you just report like you did for ROTC day one. Just to get the required items from sunscreen to brown tees to blue binders takes a few days, and that doesn't include handing in the medical records to go up and down the pipeline for approval. I believe it was in April last yr that our DS did the drag, and he was given 2 weeks prep, it was an everyday thing...drop over name tags to get the name sewn, order new name tags for blues, spend a night writing the last 4 SS number on every piece of clothing, go to the docs, etc., etc., etc. Than pack the bag, drag it to the det, dump it, get SCORED on fulfilling the list, repack it and bring it back home. Det., then must sent these results, along with your physical to Maxwell. Orders are than cut.

They also can't add someone into the next class since classes are done to max out from minute one. That means there is no spot in the next class.

People do leave AFROTC after Maxwell because they realize it isn't the life for them, HOWEVER, they do not separate at Maxwell, they do it when they return to school in the fall. DS's close friend did this. He completed Maxwell in June and knew he wanted out. He submitted his papers in August. He contacted the det when he got home telling them he wanted out (scholarship cadet), they did the wise thing and said take your time and decide, it could just be too raw right now. His actions also had a large fiscal tag of 30k+ because he dropped out of the program, he was not asked to leave.

I would not place any hope that the AF will call anyone up that didn't make the list.

You also need to understand this is a manpower issue. The AF has too many coming down the pipeline and this is a way to save money. If the cadet is on scholarship and doesn't get it, the scholarship is considered void, and that relieves them of 2 yrs of payment, plus the 4 yrs AD. It seems harsh, but the minute you realize that the military operates like a corporation when it comes to budget and personnel, is the minute you realize what is promised always has a loop whole...devil is in the details.
 
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Pima, they did last year, but with the budget cuts they probably won't do it this year. Just very frustrating because I had my best semester GPA and PFA this semester. For the record people do get booted out of Maxwell for integrity violation, failing the FTM and/or Airman's Manual test, collecting 3 form 16s, failing the PFA (which I see more people doing because of the new standards), and the most bizarre case of someone getting booted for sexual harassment for Max 3 last year.

I would like to do a rant though for all people going to Maxwell this summer, please work hard, get through, become POC and stay out of trouble during the summer, because if you do and get booted out of the Air Force, you not only cheated yourself, but every other cadet who got denied an EA and would have been great POC and 2lt for the AF.
 
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I understand your frustration. I am sure right now you want to have that hope. I feel in your post that the CoC has stated it isn't going to happen for you.

I have to say IMPO that your last part of the post truly illustrates you have the right stuff. You could have ranted, complained, vented, etc. You didn't. You actually showed leadership, by saying PROVE YOURSELF, for no other reason than for the service.

It actually reminded me of the ending scene for Saving Private Ryan, when he says something like: Tell me I lived a good life and earned it...paraphrasing.

The fact that you could put the service before yourself still, is a mark of a true leader. I hope your command somehow will be able to see that.

If a cadet can not pass the PFA or the Airman's manual. Shame on their cadre. DS's cadre spends the entire C200 yr prepping these kids, and that is before knowing who will get selected. They prep all of them. If the cadre knows a cadet is failing the PFA or doesn't have the material down prior, than shame on them. I say that as a taxpayer, because sending them to SFT is on the taxpayer dime. IMPO, they are setting them up for failure, because they do the PFT 2x a yr, and even with horrendous humidity and heat these cadets should be striving for the best.

Also, everyone knows that for the AFSC, the OML includes their SFT ranking, they are setting a cadet up for failure if they send them without proper training. That in turn means the cadre selection for AFSC will reduce, which will mean higher candidates will select other dets. Use college sports as an example. Kids who want to play ball for the NFL will lean to schools with higher stats. Same is true for AFROTC. A cadet who has a choice of going to a school with 95% chance for their desired AFSC will go there if AD AF is their goal over the school with 75%.

This is why YOU SHOULD ALWAYS INTERVIEW THE DET. You can not assume that each det has the same acceptance rate, and if the rate varies vastly, you can find that you will lose that scholarship because you took the lower school.
 
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I understand your frustration. I am sure right now you want to have that hope. I feel in your post that the CoC has stated it isn't going to happen for you.

I have to say IMPO that your last part of the post truly illustrates you have the right stuff. You could have ranted, complained, vented, etc. You didn't. You actually showed leadership, by saying PROVE YOURSELF, for no other reason than for the service.

It actually reminded me of the ending scene for Saving Private Ryan, when he says something like: Tell me I lived a good life and earned it...paraphrasing.

The fact that you could put the service before yourself still, is a mark of a true leader. I hope your command somehow will be able to see that.

If a cadet can not pass the PFA or the Airman's manual. Shame on their cadre. DS's cadre spends the entire C200 yr prepping these kids, and that is before knowing who will get selected. They prep all of them. If the cadre knows a cadet is failing the PFA or doesn't have the material down prior, than shame on them. I say that as a taxpayer, because sending them to SFT is on the taxpayer dime. IMPO, they are setting them up for failure, because they do the PFT 2x a yr, and even with horrendous humidity and heat these cadets should be striving for the best.

Also, everyone knows that for the AFSC, the OML includes their SFT ranking, they are setting a cadet up for failure if they send them without proper training. That in turn means the cadre selection for AFSC will reduce, which will mean higher candidates will select other dets. Use college sports as an example. Kids who want to play ball for the NFL will lean to schools with higher stats. Same is true for AFROTC. A cadet who has a choice of going to a school with 95% chance for their desired AFSC will go there if AD AF is their goal over the school with 75%.

This is why YOU SHOULD ALWAYS INTERVIEW THE DET. You can not assume that each det has the same acceptance rate, and if the rate varies vastly, you can find that you will lose that scholarship because you took the lower school.
 
Is there a way to find out the percent of cadets getting their desired AFSC out of a particular detachment? The oned DS and I have asked like to talk in ranges and give answers like "100% if you meet the qualifications". Same thing for SFT.
 
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