Ens. Cameron Kinley

justdoit19 said:
But at this point, where the scholarship is offered…tweeted by the organization…those conversations should have already been had. I still think a small print, asterisk is warranted for this piece of announcing.

Anyhow, we converse about the “blessed to receive” social media outpourings by athletes. And my point, is that it’s ALSO part of the game nowadays. BC it’s part of the process with Navy Football. As posted. And it’s also understandable why candidates question, every year, if a ‘spot is gone bc Johnny tweeted their scholarship’. The untrained candidate would sure think so with all this stuff.

The optics of all this are confusing. At the least.
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The recruiting material isn't meant for you. The coaches are very direct about the process to recruits.
 
phatphelix said:
The recruiting material isn't meant for you. The coaches are very direct about the process to recruits.
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I totally disagree. That picture? IS meant for everyone. And it’s why it’s tweeted. And retweeted by usna. But…If you read my posts, I’m speaking to the “look” for others. NOT THE understanding by the ATHLETE.

‘Blessed to receive’ optics, as they are, indicates that they have an appointment, to the general masses. As a parent of 2 Mids, one a high level recruit, I UNDERSTAND the process. I’ve been through it.

MY personal point…is that it’s misleading, IMO, to the general population, such a representation in the photo. It’s misleads the general public, imo, that the student has a scholarship offered to them, an appointment. Imo, it’s not that cut and dry. And imo, it makes sense why OTHER applicants question whether a spot is gone for them, since the athlete is ‘blessed to receive’. Without going through the same process they are, apparently.

I know recruits are informed. Although I do personally disagree that they all completely 100 pct understand. Bc their parents have been here over the years, asking questions or voicing their displeasure. But that piece wasn’t MY point. If you read my posts about it.

The recruiting response, output, posting is not factual in what still has to happen. That visual IS for everyone else. It’s tweeted. It’s provided. It’s retweeted by coaches. And it’s misleading in the actual situation of a full appointment. IMO.
 
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usnabgo08 said:
Coaches don’t have discretionary nominations and it was put out to BGOs during training that the Supe doesn’t give, on average, more than about 3 nominations per year and not all of those went to athletes.
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Yeah, right. So where do the other 5-600 appointments come from? Amazing how those football players with a 950 sat score keep winning their slate!
 
Is there not one nomination that we can reserve to a guy who can throw the football?

Three runs and a punt has to change! ;)
 
A1Janitor said:
Is there not one nomination that we can reserve to a guy who can throw the football?

Three runs and a punt has to change! ;)
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That is not who the program tries to recruit. The pass heavy offensive styles are not where the Service Academies have found success over the years. What seems to have worked for Army, Navy and Air Force are several variations of the run heavy option style offense. These require speed, precision and a lot of agility from the linemen which can be as asset to the somewhat weight limited Service Academy teams. For many decades now, certainly since the 60's at least, the Service Academy linemen were generally outweighed by an average of 30 or more pounds each and a conventional pass pocket offense becomes very difficult. Movement can and often does help overcome this deficit.
 
A1Janitor said:
Is there not one nomination that we can reserve to a guy who can throw the football?

Three runs and a punt has to change! ;)
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I remember an 8th Wing Players skit where that was the exact George Welsh playbook (written on bedsheets of course)

First Down - Up the Middle
Second Down - Up the Middle
Third Down - Up the Middle
Fourth Down - Punt
 
A1Janitor said:
Is there not one nomination that we can reserve to a guy who can throw the football?

Three runs and a punt has to change! ;)
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Throw run I don’t care.

id like to see the football team stop poaching the top guys from the lax team? :)

I sure hope we get to see that QB at least one season on the lax pitch.
 
For those who want passing quarterbacks at USNA, keep this in mind. Big time schools like Florida, FSU, USC, etc. have a hard time getting good passing quarterbacks. In order to have a good passing game you also must have good (and big) offensive linemen and good (fast) receivers b/c the QB has to have time to throw and has to have someone able to catch the ball.

The Big 3 SAs realize that their best chance of winning is to run some form of the option. You can play option with smaller players and less speed at receiver. It's also a possession offense, which helps when the pass defense is slower and not as talented as the opponent (there are probably fewer great CBs than QBs). An option team isn't built to run a pro-style (passing) offense. So, it's not just about QBs, it's about the team around them and the system in which they play.

There aren't all that many good, let alone great, athletes. Now you're asking someone with those skills to come to a SA where they actually have to attend class, graduate in 4 years (or leave after 2), do at least some military stuff, pass the PRT, and -- assuming they're not NFL material -- serve in the military for 5 years. Sorry, but there aren't a huge number of future D1 standouts signing up for that.

A decent number of USNA FB players will admit that the only reason they attended a SA is that it was the only place they could play D1. Now, many of them go on to be great mids and outstanding officers. But, it's not like Trevor Lawrence was deciding between Clemson, USNA and USMA.

I agree that the play calling can be discouraging. But, for the last 20 years, USNA has had success with the run-heavy option. They may well be forced to change to continue that success. It's going to be hard, however, as D1 gets more and more competitive . . . and moving from D1 doesn't appear to be an option.
 
justdoit19 said:
I totally disagree. That picture? IS meant for everyone. And it’s why it’s tweeted. And retweeted by usna. But…If you read my posts, I’m speaking to the “look” for others. NOT THE understanding by the ATHLETE.

‘Blessed to receive’ optics, as they are, indicates that they have an appointment, to the general masses. As a parent of 2 Mids, one a high level recruit, I UNDERSTAND the process. I’ve been through it.

MY personal point…is that it’s misleading, IMO, to the general population, such a representation in the photo. It’s misleads the general public, imo, that the student has a scholarship offered to them, an appointment. Imo, it’s not that cut and dry. And imo, it makes sense why OTHER applicants question whether a spot is gone for them, since the athlete is ‘blessed to receive’. Without going through the same process they are, apparently.

I know recruits are informed. Although I do personally disagree that they all completely 100 pct understand. Bc their parents have been here over the years, asking questions or voicing their displeasure. But that piece wasn’t MY point. If you read my posts about it.

The recruiting response, output, posting is not factual in what still has to happen. That visual IS for everyone else. It’s tweeted. It’s provided. It’s retweeted by coaches. And it’s misleading in the actual situation of a full appointment. IMO.
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No, the picture is not "meant for everyone." It is meant for the recruit. And it is not "retweeted by USNA," it is retweeted by the Navy Football account, which exists for the sole purpose of getting the attention of recruits. These graphics are not made for the "general masses," they are made for recruits to share their excitement with their family and friends. This is like seeing a Navy recruiting ad on TV and complaining that it doesn't talk about taking the ASVAB and reporting to MEPS. They go straight to showing ships and airplanes! How misleading! Come on.

Athletes get scholarship offers before they even start their senior years. They still have to qualify for *any* school, not just service academies. Obviously they are conditional. You are picking at non-existent nits.
 
Reading of Navy Football brings me back a few years watching Ship Selection and thinking “Wow, the USS Cole is going to have a great offensive line this coming year”.
 
It’s a matter of word choice.

If State or U started to call their scholarship offers , appointments , absolutely nothing would change.

If a SA started to call appointments a scholarship absolutely nothing would change.

Advertising to work has to have an impact on and reach the intended audience.

I think this ad above is actually pretty well done .

And whether we like it or not I assume we all hope it’s effective.

Are scholarships from major regular colleges misunderstood by those who get them?

Yes and often.

Many think a four year scholarship offer from State or U is actually for four years.

How many understand it’s a one year offer and if you don’t produce it can be not renewed for a 2nd year?
 
14mccpa said:
Reading of Navy Football brings me back a few years watching Ship Selection and thinking “Wow, the USS Cole is going to have a great offensive line this coming year”.
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Was that year 2001?
 
Ensign Kinley waived today by the Bucs. Not a surprise at all.

Good Luck to him off the gridiron.
 
14mccpa said:
Ensign Kinley waived today by the Bucs. Not a surprise at all.

Good Luck to him off the gridiron.
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As far as I know, he never commissioned, so he's not "ENS" Kinley, at least not yet.

I'm happy for him that he got to chase his dream, but unless he gets picked up by another team and makes a final roster it should be the end of the line and he should become a commissioned officer and go where he is needed.

I wish him the best of luck
 
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