And if someone doesn't have the integrity not to cheat maybe they are in the wrong place.You originally wrote “not a bad deal”. Is it better than being kicked out? Of course. But it’s not something anyone seeks to do and if you were to ask any Cadet or Midshipmen they would most certainly say it’s a punishment. Same with the program where you are sent to the enlisted ranks for a few years, then permitted to come back if recommended. It’s a good learning experience, but not something Cadets and Midshipmen aspire to achieve when they arrive. Yes, the military will be paying for an extra year, but the Cadets are also paying by delaying their commissioning by a year. Over a 20 year career being 12 months behind your peers can add up to a good deal of money.
I would also point out that none of these Cadets had yet to affirm, so this is being done voluntarily and not all Cadets were given this option. Some were expelled.
Finally, my point about PT is that Cadets are given almost four years to pass and are given quite a bit of assistance, so it is hardly the same. If someone can not pass a physical test after that much time and help then they have issues.
I agree. I am 100 % sure of that number, it came from a 2024 parent. Ask your son to look up his class rank, it should show where he stands and the total number in the class.Interesting...my son is a part of that class (2024), and, when we asked him, had no idea how many in his class had quit. Not one Plebe in his company has quit (he did know that much). If 120 did quit during Beast that is a real shame. There's a bunch of c/o '25 re-applicants in this Forum that would have loved to have been there in their place.
Interesting...It was definitely covid related, and most people were not mentally strong enough to deal with beast.
Couldn't be more true. I have already met about 7 other guys who are currently in college and reapplied and received appointments because West Point has always been the number one goal....If 120 did quit during Beast that is a real shame. There's a bunch of c/o '25 re-applicants in this Forum that would have loved to have been there in their place.
They didn’t earn the spot for 2024 and will get their chance now with 2025. It’s easy to judge choices made by someone else when you don’t walk in their shoes.Couldn't be more true. I have already met about 7 other guys who are currently in college and reapplied and received appointments because West Point has always been the number one goal.
Honestly, that is a really really good way of looking at it. I really agree with you, thanks for that.They didn’t earn the spot for 2024 and will get their chance now with 2025. It’s easy to judge choices made by someone else when you don’t walk in their shoes.
Success takes many paths. It’s been a #%^* show 13 months. Mental health matters. I would rather my sons know I support their well thought out plans than expect them to continue on in misery in a program that isn’t their path.
Completely agree.Better someone figures out they don't want to be an Army officer before they commission as an Army officer. Yes--they took someone else's slot. But I believe there are far greater consequences to graduating a cadet who decides they don't want to lead soldiers.
You are correct in that the USNA that issues regarding SP211 were from last December and initially involved around 80 in the Class of 2023. There are now more than 110 associated. You are also correct in that the MIDNs involved were issued failing grades for SP211 and their enrollment in Physics 2 was withdrawn. However, it should be noted that this action was before the MIDNs involved were even formally charged. This was a public statement to the Brigade, in my opinion, that goes against the value of innocence until proven guilty and a violation of the MIDNs rights to confidentiality.I read the released report on the USMA cheating scandal and a big reason why these cadets are getting another opportunity is because of the honor policy that has been in place the last few years which allows a cadet to self report their involvement in an honor offense and then have a path to stay at West Point. I believe it was around 50 who self admitted to cheating here. The Superintendent also said that they are no longer going to have that as a policy going forward as he does not believe it worked as it was intended. Hopefully I am summarizing that correctly but others can weigh in that have more knowledge. As far as the Naval Academy physics scandal, it happened this past fall and appears to have involved around 80 in the class of 2023. Final report has not been made official but word inside Bancroft is that the Mids involved were pulled from Physics 2 part way through this second semester, they will be retaking Physics 1 in summer school and Physics 2 next fall. They are also on restriction and cannot currently compete in Varsity sports. I do not believe they were asked to repeat a year. Some have chosen to leave USNA but I do not know how many. Covid has been very tough environment for all and lets hope our academies quickly recover and press forward in training excellent young people.
We raised our kids the same, not quitters!Interesting...
My son is 100% convinced that Beast was easier than in years past due to Covid: It definitely was shorter. I'm not saying that he said it was any kind of holiday, and I'm definitely not implying that my son is an unusually tough kid, but there were definitely obvious concessions made by the Cadre and all levels of Academy leadership to make sure that the New Cadets were treated LIKE NONE BEFORE - 2024.
Who knows? Maybe a lot of these kids had carryover PTSD from missing their Prom and walking at their Graduation? Or maybe this is the new "normal" and more and more kids will quit whatever is in front of them when things get tough.
We told our son to think long and hard before hitting that acceptance button on the USMA Candidate Portal, because once he did, there would be NO QUITTING!
Do parents even tell their kids that anymore???
It is my understanding and I could be wrong but I think after their probationary period they are able to compete in sports again. I think for most that would put them back in their sports by fall. Like I said I could have misinterpreted what I read.Do cadets who cheated get another year of athletics? That would be unreal on the dime of taxpayers.