HPCON B and masks required again indoors.

Trackmom416 said:
Does anyone know if they are required to wear the masks indoors to exercise, indoor sports practice, the gym? During the summer, those masked did not have to wear them while actively exercising. How about in their dorm room or while in bed?
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When they're in their rooms, I guarantee they close the door and masks come off.
 
gonavy14 said:
When they're in their rooms, I guarantee they close the door and masks come off.
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Last year in the thick of things and after the mask mandate for all federal property came down, they absolutely had to wear masks in their rooms, even if they were alone. They did not wear it while sleeping. And unfortunately, Plebes aren't allowed to shut their doors whenever they want.
 
The only mask that is truly effective to prevent spreading virus is a properly fitted N95 mask or better. All others are good at stopping large droplets ie. “spit” from penetrating either in or out, but ineffective at stopping micro particles from penetrating. That’s why we’re taught to turn our head and cover our mouth when we sneeze or cough.
Two masks are better than one, 3 vaxes are now better than 2…..
Our military will be mandated to get vaccinated soon as well.
I pray for all those who served, are serving, or will be serving to defend our freedoms is/was not in vain.
Sad when people are free to choose abortion but not free to choose to not wear a mask or not get vaccinated.
Our freedoms are God given, and our military is what continues to defend them against those trying to take them away.
Locally it is we the people who must defend.
 
A1Janitor said:
How many are vaccinated?

Do masks work?

What is the mortality rate of covid for 18 year olds?

Is there other problems associated with masks for plebe activities?
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I have heard that 98% of the brigade is vaccinated (although I haven't seen that from an official source).

Masks "work", as @shock-n-awe pointed out the most effective mask is a fit-tested N95- varying degrees of effectiveness are still present when you go from there (e.g. a procedural mask), with the least effective being a "homemade" single layer cloth mask, and then unmasked. Of course, if you wear the mask below your nose or around your chin you might as well be unmasked. I am not confident with non-N95s with an aerosolized virus "as contagious" as chickenpox.

Mortality rate for 18 year-olds, or any young adult for that matter with a healthy immune system must be extremely low. The numbers being touted are a .001% mortality for CV19 vaccinated- that means the flu is 100x more likely to result in death (.1%), or unvaccinated CV19 1000x more likely to result in death (1%) - if I am getting my comparisons, percentages, and decimal places correct.

I can see a slew of problems with the entire scenario- e.g., erosion of confidence, morale, mental health.
 
None of this matters at the USNA level, as far as I understand it. This is a DOD mandate. Not something USNA gets to chose for themselves.

At the USNA level, almost 100 pct VAX. But this is a bigger, DOD thing. It’s kind of irrelevant to even talk about “do they/don’t they work”. It’s out of USNA’s hands, the way it’s all structured presently.

At this point?? I’m praying that masking at USNA is as far as it goes….gotta say, I’m nervous!!
 
justdoit19 said:
None of this matters at the USNA level, as far as I understand it. This is a DOD mandate. Not something USNA gets to chose for themselves.

At the USNA level, almost 100 pct VAX. But this is a bigger, DOD thing. It’s kind of irrelevant to even talk about “do they/don’t they work”. It’s out of USNA’s hands, the way it’s all structured presently.

At this point?? I’m praying that masking at USNA is as far as it goes….gotta say, I’m nervous!!
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I believe its acceptable to have the conversation- given this is a forum. That being said- yes, the mask mandate comes from on-high from the DoD, not from local USNA leadership. I have tactfully and objectively voiced my concerns with masking etc to each of my representatives, and am involved at a local level at the academic medical center where I am employed. Unfortunately, there is also a agency power-struggle and a political-struggle at play with CV19 measures (both republican and democrat) which skews the trust and confidence that US citizens', including those in our armed services, have in the process. I do not see in the present situation how closures and restrictions (not talking mask mandates) can be useful unless we expect to live in a bubble for the rest of this pandemic and see our economy go to shambles- talk about national security risks. For the record, I am PRO vaccination (that's 70-85% FULLY vaccinated, boosters or revaccination if/when required)- I trust the science. Social distancing- it works, but it has significant drawbacks (e.g. economy and mental health), masking- I am NOT convinced.
 
WolfPackGrunt said:
I believe its acceptable to have the conversation- given this is a forum. That being said- yes, the mask mandate comes from on-high from the DoD, not from local USNA leadership. I have tactfully and objectively voiced my concerns with masking etc to each of my representatives, and am involved at a local level at the academic medical center where I am employed. Unfortunately, there is also a agency power-struggle and a political-struggle at play with CV19 measures (both republican and democrat) which skews the trust and confidence that US citizens', including those in our armed services, have in the process. I do not see in the present situation how closures and restrictions (not talking mask mandates) can be useful unless we expect to live in a bubble for the rest of this pandemic and see our economy go to shambles- talk about national security risks. For the record, I am PRO vaccination (that's 70-85% FULLY vaccinated, boosters or revaccination if/when required)- I trust the science. Social distancing- it works, but it has significant drawbacks (e.g. economy and mental health), masking- I am NOT convinced.
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If I came across as saying that conversations about it are not ok, I didn’t mean to. I was pointing out, that USNA doesn’t get to decide for USNA. I think sometimes people loose sight that USNA is not a regular college. They are part of Big Navy. Beyond “college”. So that was my point. That USNA doesn’t have a say in any of this masking/no masking.
 
whataluckymom said:
Last year in the thick of things and after the mask mandate for all federal property came down, they absolutely had to wear masks in their rooms, even if they were alone. They did not wear it while sleeping. And unfortunately, Plebes aren't allowed to shut their doors whenever they want.
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You don't get it. Sure the rule might say they have to wear them in their rooms, but I guarantee the vast majority don't. Wearing one alone in a room is just moronic, and most people aren't afraid of a flu with a 99% recovery rate
 
I guess getting vaccinated was kind of a waste.
whataluckymom said:
Last year in the thick of things and after the mask mandate for all federal property came down, they absolutely had to wear masks in their rooms, even if they were alone. They did not wear it while sleeping. And unfortunately, Plebes aren't allowed to shut their doors whenever they want.
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I never understand how covid knows not to infect anyone eating but you must wear it to the table. Or in this case sleeping. One Mid sitting in their room with a mask, 3 or 4 sleeping without it. I truly don't understand the logic.
 
gonavy14 said:
You don't get it. Sure the rule might say they have to wear them in their rooms, but I guarantee the vast majority don't. Wearing one alone in a room is just moronic, and most people aren't afraid of a flu with a 99% recovery rate
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I tactfully disagree. They may not be afraid, I can't speak to what thousands of MIDN feel. But last year, trust me when I say being caught without a mask got you fried. It led to major restrictions for those who violated the rule and restrictions for company mates who didn't violate it.
 
helmsdown said:
I guess getting vaccinated was kind of a waste.

I never understand how covid knows not to infect anyone eating but you must wear it to the table. Or in this case sleeping. One Mid sitting in their room with a mask, 3 or 4 sleeping without it. I truly don't understand the logic.
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There is no logic. It's a bunch of arbitrary rules that do nothing to actually stop the spread of anything. They are all just in place for optics to make it look like they are doing something. Masks on when you're all awake in a room with people, but when you're asleep in the same room with the same people no mask. Last time I checked, you still breathe when you're asleep.
 
Bigrod said:
The big problem I have is 91% of people don’t wear the mask over their mouth AND nose so they are pretty useless anyway. Why even pretend when it’s just a chin strap.
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Not a chin strap it is a chin diaper
 
All, don't care what the restrictions are for PPW. I will wear a full Chem suit if I can hug my DS. He needs it, Mom needs it and I need it. Forget the politics and embrace the time with the kiddos.
 
Heatherg21 said:
I tactfully disagree. They may not be afraid, I can't speak to what thousands of MIDN feel. But last year, trust me when I say being caught without a mask got you fried. It led to major restrictions for those who violated the rule and restrictions for company mates who didn't violate it.
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I think the detailers would support the plebes. This is a health issue.
 
I may be wrong, but I believe my MIDN told me that they did NOT wear masks in their own room. My DS is on a mountain in Alaska right now. I wonder if he's wearing a mask there, hmmm?
 
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