January 4, 2011 AROTC Board

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did you know you have to wait so many seconds before you can post again, and yes, they do count it down if you keep hitting submit?????

You may have the 1000th post. . . . . But I get the 1000th reply!!!! That's the number that counts on the home page!!
 
foxnews.com/politics/2011/02/23/dems-dare-gop-federal-shutdown

This statement in the above article is by far the most annoying: "Remember that Democrats widely believe that a shutdown would work to their political advantage and help Obama’s effort to portray Republicans as immature and radical in advance of the 2012 elections.
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I really hope that this isn't a political statement on your part. One of the things I have treasured about the discussion in this forum is that we have avoided political rhetoric.
 
Several ways to see this

foxnews.com/politics/2011/02/23/dems-dare-gop-federal-shutdown

This statement in the above article is by far the most annoying: "Remember that Democrats widely believe that a shutdown would work to their political advantage and help Obama’s effort to portray Republicans as immature and radical in advance of the 2012 elections.
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I really hope that this isn't a political statement on your part. One of the things I have treasured about the discussion in this forum is that we have avoided political rhetoric.

Not sure how (non)political patentesq was attempting be but my take away was we live in a political world that controls almost every aspect of our lives and this scholarship process is no exception; however, sometimes those in office forget the direct links between them and us, and seem to be a bit fickle.
 
I really hope that this isn't a political statement on your part. One of the things I have treasured about the discussion in this forum is that we have avoided political rhetoric.

No. It is not.
 
Not sure how (non)political patentesq was attempting be but my take away was we live in a political world that controls almost every aspect of our lives and this scholarship process is no exception; however, sometimes those in office forget the direct links between them and us, and seem to be a bit fickle.

Precisely. My post about the delay has nothing to do with the larger question of what programs should be cut. I don't think anyone is discussing those issues here.

Perhaps someone else can provide updates on the shutdown situation. My updates don't seem to be welcome on this thread.
 
Patentesq,

My apologies if it seemed I was attacking you, I truly meant no disrespect, it is just that the rhetoric from all sides OUTSIDE this forum has become so unhelpful. I have come to view this place as an emotional life raft where we all had one goal and that is to help our kids (and ourselves) survive an incredibly stressful time.

I clearly misinterpreted your post, please don't stop contributing to the forum. :frown:
 
Precisely. My post about the delay has nothing to do with the larger question of what programs should be cut. I don't think anyone is discussing those issues here.

Perhaps someone else can provide updates on the shutdown situation. My updates don't seem to be welcome on this thread.

Paradoxer,

My apologies if it seemed I was attacking you, I truly meant no disrespect, it is just that the rhetoric from all sides OUTSIDE this forum has become so unhelpful. I have come to view this place as an emotional life raft where we all had one goal and that is to help our kids (and ourselves) survive an incredibly stressful time.

I clearly misinterpreted your post, please don't stop contributing to the forum. :frown:


I hope this ends this matter and we go on as before, anyone with a link to share can feel free to post it(yeah, I can do it too!!). We are all adults(even our applicants are very mature)and can agree that policitical rhetoric will upset the thread and take us OT in a big way. Being aware of the policitical waves that are changing our worlds doesn't have to change our threads purpose to inform, share, vent, speculate and hopefully very soon celebrate some dreams coming true.:smile:
 
Patentesq,

My apologies if it seemed I was attacking you, I truly meant no disrespect, it is just that the rhetoric from all sides OUTSIDE this forum has become so unhelpful. I have come to view this place as an emotional life raft where we all had one goal and that is to help our kids (and ourselves) survive an incredibly stressful time.

I clearly misinterpreted your post, please don't stop contributing to the forum. :frown:

dogdoc,

I'm sorry, too. My post was simply a reflection of my annoyance about the bickering in DC, on both sides of the aisle and without regard to who's "at fault", and what that will mean for the rest of us who have been waiting patiently to move on with our lives. I probably could have restrained my frustration with that process better. You were right in pointing this out to me.


This process was supposed to be so easy when I started with my DS:


Step 1. Apply
Step 2. Receive offer (somewhere)
Step 3. If multiple offers received, compare them.
Step 4. Select best choice among offers, based on all facts within time alotted.


Easy as pie!


With the prospect of a shutdown, however, the decisionmaking process will become greatly complicated and further delayed. Financial aid award letters will be delayed, and if my DS is bumped to the next board, there will be further delay. Ugh!!!!
 
I haven't visited this forum for a while (things have been really hectic at home/work). I am flabbergasted that Jan board results are still pending. I completely sympathize with the students and parents waiting for the news anxiously.

I noticed some posters wondering about whether private school scholarship may become hard to come by than in state school scholarship (it costs way less for the Army).

I would like to share a bit of my own experience of helping my son strategize this whole issue.

S has been accepted to his top choice school through the ED process and he is taking his 4 year scholarship there (awarded in the Nov board cycle). (actually, this school was originally #2 on the school choice list, but after he submitted his ROTC scholarship application, he had a change of heart, and preferred this school to the original #1, so it really worked out very well).

In my son's case, ALL 7 schools in his school of choice list were very expensive private schools (all about or way above $40K/year tuition). In short, what we did was to signal to Army "if you want this kid, you have to pay". Yes, it may have been a risky strategy, but I felt that there were several things going for him, and he could afford to have this strategy. I felt that he was a sufficiently "differentiated product" that the customer (Army) has an incentive to pay premium for. Reckless gambling? Perhaps. I would like to use the phrase "calculated risk". Besides, I figured, if he was not chosen in the Nov round, he has two more rounds to finesse his school choice strategy.

In the end, he got the 4 year scholarship offers to #2, #3, and #4 schools on the school choice list. The school he ended up choosing (#2) is considered one of the top 10 most expensive schools in the country. That school also provides free room and board for the 4 year ROTC scholarship winners.

Here are caveats though. Here is what I advised him to mitigate the risk of pricing himself out of the market (sort of).

1. Mostly he only choose schools which "hosted" the battalion program, NOT a cross town affiliate school.

2. there was only one school that was not a "hosting" school, and in that battalion, every single one of the cross town affiliate school was a private school.

3. Most of these schools were the kind of schools that service academy nominees are likely to apply to as an ROTC candidate just in case they don't get into the SA. Meaning, if they get into the SA of their choice, they will turn down the ROTC scholarship awarded to the school - thus creating a vacancy through out the whole season.

#1 and #2 statement above is based on my observation/discussion with various PMS of private battalion hosting schools. The general consensus was that preference is given to the applicants to the hosting school, even if the hosting school is an expensive private school. This is because of the consideration that the hosting schools provide a lot of resources and assistance to the ROTC program, and Amry honor that commitment by not disadvantaging the applicants to that school. (even if Army pays all the expenses, it's still being "hosted" on the campus. This is how I helped my son mitigate the risk of putting down only private schools on his school of intent list.


On the other hand, if you are applying to a private school with an expensive tuition which has a cross town affiliate arrangement at a battalion hosted on an public state school campus, the odds are definitely against you. For the same prices of one cross town affiliate student, they can support several scholarship candidates. No brainer here. That's why he completely avoided putting down any private school with a cross town arrangement with a public. hosting school.


Army wants to stretch their scholarship dollars. If they can, they would rather give scholarship to students going to an in state university. However, they have standing commitment to support battalions hosted at private schools. In effect, I advised my son so that he can benefit from this consideration (having to honor the existing arrangement with private schools)

Now, for the Jan board, it's already too late to tinker with the school choice list, but perhaps for March board, this might be something to consider.

Of course: caveat: this is my personal opinion. It may be completely wrong. I am just providing an example. You may or may not want to consider this as a data point.

good luck.
 
Patentesq,

Thanks for clarifying and for being so gracious. I completely understand your frustration with the politicians.

On another note, I just called the ROO at one of my son's schools. He said that they (the ROTC departments) get the word BEFORE it is posted on the website. Is this everyone else's impression of how the kids will be find out?
 
We (ROOs/PMSs) will start seeing the word "offer" posted next to some of the applicants in our system by the end of this week (hopefully). Not sure when/how the offer is posted on the applicant website, but the only official offer for the applicants is that letter you will receive from Cadet Command extending the actual offer. Don't go out and blow your college savings until you see that letter. There have been misunderstandings in the past and false alarms. Once we are told that the letters have been sent we will be told we can notify our winners, so your first indication that an offer is on the way will probably be a phone call or email from a ROO.
 
Patentesq,

Thanks for clarifying and for being so gracious. I completely understand your frustration with the politicians.

On another note, I just called the ROO at one of my son's schools. He said that they (the ROTC departments) get the word BEFORE it is posted on the website. Is this everyone else's impression of how the kids will be find out?

Clarkson will have to weigh in for an accurate, but I understood that the computers at the ROOs office show the results being posted at roughly the same time as it goes "live" on the CC portal we all have bookmarked and have used 1K+ times. ROOs aren't supposed to contact anyone, but some have or have in the past, also they can see the schools offering and which scholarship is being offered(4 yr vs 3 yrAD) so that way you can find out prior to the letter arriving.

disregard my post - I see that Clarkson beat me to the submit button - thanks sir!
 
I can tell how it worked for us LAST year...

1) My daughters status changed from "you have been selected for an interview" to the DoDMERB message...

2) The next day, I called the ROO at the school and he was able to pull up her name and tell us that she had been offered (4) year scholarships *and* was able to tell us the (3) schools she was going to be able to choose from.

Good luck to everybody waiting. I remember how stressed I was last year and we found out about (3) weeks after the board was done. I don't think I would have survived what ya'all are going thru.
 
I don't think I would have survived what ya'all are going thru.
My Dad used to say that you can get used to hanging if you hang long enough. I really thought it would be the 4 simple steps that Patentesq posted earlier. I was even naive enough to think we would have time to apply to different colleges on the wish list after the scholarship offers were posted. Can you say DUMB IDEA:eek:
 
The question of taxes and ROTC came up a couple posts back
ROTC Scholarship, Stipend and Book Money was not taxable (for me, no legal guarantees) My parents filed for me, but according to my Battalion, only income from summer school (LTC, Airborne, LDAC, etc) is taxable.

Also, just wanted to chime about what happens after one gets the scholarship. Your DS or DD will be extremely excited, and you will probably be more excited for them. You all seem very involved with your kids, which is great. But when it comes down to deciding schools, be careful to not force your dreams on them. A couple of days after getting the letter, I'd sit them down and go through logistics. Ex: Going to school A would cost us $8,000 Room and Board, you will have to pay X amount while going to school b would cost $3000 dollars room and board which will cost you y amount. And then let them decide. Yes, part of the money is your money, but they will be the ones who have to live on campus and then serve our nation. Support them, but please don't push them.
Goodluck to y'all and I hope to maybe see a few of you next year :thumb:
 
already DoDMERB qualified

Do you think that being DoD medically qualified at the time of application for the scholarship would be helpful?
Also, S was medically qualified through the process of applying to USMA. He was given an two interviews through admissions and was being actively looked at for an appointment. S also applied for AROTC (knowing his career path was Army) as well. After careful thought and consideration he respectfully withdrew his application to USMA for he wanted to obtain a degree that USMA does not offer. (I know - had to let the decision be his) Do you think withdrawing his application will hurt his chances of a ROTC scholarship?
 
My DD's 1st choice is a private school and they have already offered her scholarship money. If she gets an AROTC scholarship, does anyone know if the school scholarship is still part of the equation?
 
Scholarship Allocation

Cowsort 10 -

Was the scholarship based on merit or financial need? The one thing you can count on is that you're not supposed to make money on this.

As I understand it, room and board (or a portion thereof) are contributed by the school while ROTC pays the tuition. If the private school your DD will attend is including room and board as part of the ROTC package, then it is likely they will withdraw the scholarship. On the other hand, if they are not providing room and board, it may be possible, depending on financial aid policy of the school, to allocate the scholarship funds toward R&B.

Assuming it was a merit scholarship for the entire four year period, you should contact the school to determine whether it can be reinstated at a later date should your DD withdraw from ROTC.
 
Thanks for the quick reply. It is a merit scholarship. They do pay for room & board with an ROTC scholarship so I will be sure to follow up with them.

I wasn't thinking of making money (although that would be nice :biggrin:), but wondered if that might help if the ROTC scholarship was reduced/didn't cover the full tuition due to who knows what.
 
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