Pima
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Ouch. That equates to 4% in total, and only 2% for the 4 yr.
This IMPO is something kids need to look at when they are asking for a Chance Me response.
It also goes back to the fact that many of the candidates apply for USMA and AROTC, and why it is so important to understand the numbers of the SA pool.
Let's be honest, an SA is an Ivy. I don't know USMA's number break down, but if you use the AFA it becomes even more frightening.
@10K open packets
@6700 are deemed 3 Q
@3400 get a nom, which is a requirement for appointment
@1350 get appointed
That is why I said the opening of a packet is not the biggie when you look at the numbers, it is the 6700 that is the biggie, and the subsequent numbers.
3300 out of that pool will not get a nom, so plan B becomes plan A as early as Nov.
2000 will get a TWE in the March Mass Mailing and plan B is now plan A.
The one difference that I have heard conflicting reports about regarding AROTC compared to the AFROTC system is that AROTC HQ talks to USMA regarding candidates. I have heard and read that USMA candidates who get a TWE from USMA in March can meet a board in April for these candidates. I have also heard that is a fallacy and not true.
AFROTC does not talk to AFA when selecting recipients. That is why people are told to apply for both plans at the earliest opportunity.
I would love to see the stats of the cadets for 15 compared to 14 because if the numbers are correct and it dropped by 36 Million in one year, my assumption would be that the stats increased dramatically for the avg recipient.
If you read the article here are the stats for 14:
I am not a betting woman, but I would bet that the mean college board score is now in the 1200's.
I also would be interested to see how this yr plays out for 14. Due to budgetary reasons AFROTC has reduced the % of cadets attending SFT. This occurs in the summer of their rising jr. yr. Many that are not selected jump over to AROTC. AROTC has traditionally accepted them, but remember as a 300 they are contracted and that costs money. If the Army is bulging with the 14 class, and AFROTC still has a 55-60% acceptance for SFT will they continue to allow them to join at the same rate as prior yrs? Especially since we know we are drawing down from places like Iraq and AD members are not bailing at the rate they did when the economy was strong.
Many times we forget that each branch has an impact on another branch.
JMPO, but I would say that about 50% of AFROTC cadets that are not selected for SFT and want to serve in the military because they want to serve will jump over to AROTC. We are not talking a couple of dozen cadets nationwide. I just can't see how AROTC can continue to absorb them at the rate they did in previous yrs.
This IMPO is something kids need to look at when they are asking for a Chance Me response.
It also goes back to the fact that many of the candidates apply for USMA and AROTC, and why it is so important to understand the numbers of the SA pool.
Let's be honest, an SA is an Ivy. I don't know USMA's number break down, but if you use the AFA it becomes even more frightening.
@10K open packets
@6700 are deemed 3 Q
@3400 get a nom, which is a requirement for appointment
@1350 get appointed
That is why I said the opening of a packet is not the biggie when you look at the numbers, it is the 6700 that is the biggie, and the subsequent numbers.
3300 out of that pool will not get a nom, so plan B becomes plan A as early as Nov.
2000 will get a TWE in the March Mass Mailing and plan B is now plan A.
The one difference that I have heard conflicting reports about regarding AROTC compared to the AFROTC system is that AROTC HQ talks to USMA regarding candidates. I have heard and read that USMA candidates who get a TWE from USMA in March can meet a board in April for these candidates. I have also heard that is a fallacy and not true.
AFROTC does not talk to AFA when selecting recipients. That is why people are told to apply for both plans at the earliest opportunity.
I would love to see the stats of the cadets for 15 compared to 14 because if the numbers are correct and it dropped by 36 Million in one year, my assumption would be that the stats increased dramatically for the avg recipient.
If you read the article here are the stats for 14:
The profile of this year's scholarship winners shows that the average high school grade-point average was 3.5, and the mean college board test score was 1186.
In addition: 39 percent were in the top 5 percent of their classes; 74 percent were in the top 25 percent of their classes; and 96 percent were in the top 50 percent of their classes.
About 12 percent were student-body or senior-class presidents; 34 percent held other class offices; 41 percent were National Honor Society members; 8 percent were club presidents; 28 percent took part in Junior ROTC; 17 percent were involved in Scouting; 77 percent were varsity-letter winners; and 53 percent were varsity team captains.
I am not a betting woman, but I would bet that the mean college board score is now in the 1200's.
I also would be interested to see how this yr plays out for 14. Due to budgetary reasons AFROTC has reduced the % of cadets attending SFT. This occurs in the summer of their rising jr. yr. Many that are not selected jump over to AROTC. AROTC has traditionally accepted them, but remember as a 300 they are contracted and that costs money. If the Army is bulging with the 14 class, and AFROTC still has a 55-60% acceptance for SFT will they continue to allow them to join at the same rate as prior yrs? Especially since we know we are drawing down from places like Iraq and AD members are not bailing at the rate they did when the economy was strong.
Many times we forget that each branch has an impact on another branch.
JMPO, but I would say that about 50% of AFROTC cadets that are not selected for SFT and want to serve in the military because they want to serve will jump over to AROTC. We are not talking a couple of dozen cadets nationwide. I just can't see how AROTC can continue to absorb them at the rate they did in previous yrs.