Hopefully just planning for worst case.
Several USMA cadets got stuck having to stay away without laptops, books, notes, etc needed for online classes.
Mids told not to return
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Several USMA cadets got stuck having to stay away without laptops, books, notes, etc needed for online classes.
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USAFA cadets were supposed to take anything they needed for classes. This if from the Sup, "We intend for classes to begin on March 23 and have begun making preparations for remote instruction."
And, as far as domestic travel restrictions, at least cadets remaining at USAFA are limited to "local" only, which is within 50 miles of the base. I believe that applies to those who left as well, once they arrived home.
And, as far as domestic travel restrictions, at least cadets remaining at USAFA are limited to "local" only, which is within 50 miles of the base. I believe that applies to those who left as well, once they arrived home.
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Yep, Mids are not allowed back in Bancroft now. Online classes start next week.
Supe has already set the table for cancelling CW. Though he has not pulled the trigger, that seems almost inevitable as the CDC released guidance recommending no gatherings of more than 50 people for 8 weeks, which is just short of CW.
We'll see. No official word about how long this will last, but I will say, it looks like the rest of this semester is done and the early part of summer training is in jeopardy.
Supe has already set the table for cancelling CW. Though he has not pulled the trigger, that seems almost inevitable as the CDC released guidance recommending no gatherings of more than 50 people for 8 weeks, which is just short of CW.
We'll see. No official word about how long this will last, but I will say, it looks like the rest of this semester is done and the early part of summer training is in jeopardy.
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My DS was sent message from his AOC saying the 50 mile restriction applied to them at home as well.
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Howdy y’all!
My oh my...this place looks different, except we still have CAPT, Hoops, usnabgo08 and many other old hands helping the candidates and parents one post at a time!
For those who care but haven’t heard already, Dant said 150 miles is the radius for mids and he encourages them to run outside to maintain their level of fitness.
My oh my...this place looks different, except we still have CAPT, Hoops, usnabgo08 and many other old hands helping the candidates and parents one post at a time!
For those who care but haven’t heard already, Dant said 150 miles is the radius for mids and he encourages them to run outside to maintain their level of fitness.
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Shipmate! Where have you been (no need to answer)? Good to see you pop up. We are not “old” hands; I prefer “timeless.”
If you’ve been away for awhile and see mysterious references to bacon, check out the Bacon Thread over in Off Topic. It’s a safe refuge.
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New update from Supe moments ago: Reform of the Brigade delayed until further notice due to the great deal of uncertainty. He stressed that “spring break is over” and that it is incumbent upon us to fulfil our military obligations, of online classes and complying with travel restrictions, from our homes. Says the Academy has never faced a challenge like this but has faith we will make it through.
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This is certainly clear enough and pulls together recent guidance. The rumor mill tells me at least one mid has defied the order and has flown home without permission. Unwise to disobey an order given in a time of declared national emergency.
I was saddened to see the news coverage of and interviews with college students at typical spring break locations, where everything seemed to reflect disregard for others’ health. I realize the press is not covering all those in that age range who are acting responsibly and quite boringly. It is not just “the old people,” but my 34 year old friend who has active lupus and two small kids, a friend in chemo therapy with a suppressed immune system, my cousin, a nurse with one kidney, kids with other health conditions, who are at greater risk. We all have a responsibility to think about what we might unknowingly be sharing or receiving and carrying onward. I like to think all the mids and cadets at SAs and ROTC units are among the hunker-down crowd.
I was saddened to see the news coverage of and interviews with college students at typical spring break locations, where everything seemed to reflect disregard for others’ health. I realize the press is not covering all those in that age range who are acting responsibly and quite boringly. It is not just “the old people,” but my 34 year old friend who has active lupus and two small kids, a friend in chemo therapy with a suppressed immune system, my cousin, a nurse with one kidney, kids with other health conditions, who are at greater risk. We all have a responsibility to think about what we might unknowingly be sharing or receiving and carrying onward. I like to think all the mids and cadets at SAs and ROTC units are among the hunker-down crowd.
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How serious could the punishment be?
Just wondering ... I don’t know the conduct offenses and punishments ... not questioning anything.
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The USAFA CC spelled it out in his letter...see the last line of numbered paragraph 2:
Newbie... so, I went to link, read the letter which directed you to UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice)... googled that and found myself at Military.com reading about the severity and the different levels of punishments associated with MCM (Military Court Martial)... here is link:
www.military.com
Easy response/reaction is: Do what you are told... don't ruin your career for a vacation somewhere outside of the radius you have been granted.
The Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ)
The UCMJ is federal law. The UCMJ defines the military justice system and lists criminal offenses under military law.
Easy response/reaction is: Do what you are told... don't ruin your career for a vacation somewhere outside of the radius you have been granted.
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Newbie... so, I went to link, read the letter which directed you to UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice)... googled that and found myself at Military.com reading about the severity and the different levels of punishments associated with MCM (Military Court Martial)... here is link:
The Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ)
The UCMJ is federal law. The UCMJ defines the military justice system and lists criminal offenses under military law.
Easy response/reaction is: Do what you are told... don't ruin your career for a vacation somewhere outside of the radius you have been granted.
I’m definitely not a JAG, but the way it’s been explained to me is that the court martial process is reserved for the more severe UCMJ violations. The reasons midshipmen have been punished by court martial, that I’ve heard of, were for drug offenses and sexual assault. A “major” conduct offense would be punished nonjudicially via the Academy’s internal conduct system, i.e. getting “fried”. It appears violating the travel restriction would be one of these offenses. Still quite serious, and I don’t envy the midshipman who will eventually be interrogated by a Captain, Commander, or Lieutenant Colonel regarding what was so important that led him to violate an order from a Vice Admiral.
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This is not the time to test the limits. Violation of a Flag Order is a courts martial offense, but as a practical matter, I would expect that any violations are going to be handled through the Midshipman Conduct System, which is a form of "non judicial punishment." Violations will be addressed quickly and efficiently. Midshipmen are expected to set an example...not be part of the problem.
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I agree. I am surprised anyone did this. The truth is disobeying this order could have severe consequences to others’ lives.
Judging by what I see on Facebook ... I am not surprised though.
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Additional secondary and tertiary consequences - major conduct offenses may make one ineligible for graduate programs during or immediately after graduation, may cause removal from leadership positions or such a serious dink they won’t be considered for them, will definitely cause a tumble in OOM, and may cause trouble in service selection consideration down the road, in addition to the actual awarded demerits, restriction, etc. Delay of graduation can also occur. I realize that is up in the air anyway this year, but to be punitively delayed to August or December to get your degree and commission, while your classmates have gone onward, that bites deeply.
These are all administrative actions, part of the disciplinary system available to military commanding officers that stops short of courts martial under the UCMJ. If they want to make an example of him (hang ‘em high), they could take him to a Court Martial (there are a couple different flavors, with various powers) for failure to obey a lawful order and do a punitive discharge, which is the kind that sticks in your record forever. Under both paths available, administrative and punitive, the commander has the authority to recommend separation to SECNAV, the discharge authority.
Foolish, foolish, foolish to test this order in a national emergency. USNA cannot be seen to let him off lightly. There are precedent-setting and deterrence factors to consider. The big question - do you want to commission someone who has done this, who can’t be trusted to honor his oath, who knowingly and intentionally put the good of others and his unit below his own desire? Do we want to place Marines and sailors in his care? In any decision such as this, the commander looks at what the regs are, what’s best for the service, what’s best for the command, what’s best for the accused and considering his record to date/impact of action/implications for commissionability, what precedents are involved.
I’ve been using “he/his” instead of being gender-neutral, because I don’t have facts in front of me. It could just as easily be “she/her.”
During my tour of duty at USNA, I had a Batt XO, spring semester, do a major conduct thing in April. Delayed grad until August. Had to explain to fiancée and her parents why the June wedding was off. I had a 2/c detailer do a major conduct thing during PS - lost his eligibility for med school selection out of USNA, and was a sure-thing contender. Had a sports team captain do a major conduct thing, lost her captaincy. These were all administrative proceedings, with demerits, restriction, etc., but also consequences.
One of the things it is imperative to learn as a future junior officer is to practice operational risk management, to take the time to assess a situation/decisions available, evaluate for risk and impact, think through potential consequences, and have the discipline to choose wisely.
These are all administrative actions, part of the disciplinary system available to military commanding officers that stops short of courts martial under the UCMJ. If they want to make an example of him (hang ‘em high), they could take him to a Court Martial (there are a couple different flavors, with various powers) for failure to obey a lawful order and do a punitive discharge, which is the kind that sticks in your record forever. Under both paths available, administrative and punitive, the commander has the authority to recommend separation to SECNAV, the discharge authority.
Foolish, foolish, foolish to test this order in a national emergency. USNA cannot be seen to let him off lightly. There are precedent-setting and deterrence factors to consider. The big question - do you want to commission someone who has done this, who can’t be trusted to honor his oath, who knowingly and intentionally put the good of others and his unit below his own desire? Do we want to place Marines and sailors in his care? In any decision such as this, the commander looks at what the regs are, what’s best for the service, what’s best for the command, what’s best for the accused and considering his record to date/impact of action/implications for commissionability, what precedents are involved.
I’ve been using “he/his” instead of being gender-neutral, because I don’t have facts in front of me. It could just as easily be “she/her.”
During my tour of duty at USNA, I had a Batt XO, spring semester, do a major conduct thing in April. Delayed grad until August. Had to explain to fiancée and her parents why the June wedding was off. I had a 2/c detailer do a major conduct thing during PS - lost his eligibility for med school selection out of USNA, and was a sure-thing contender. Had a sports team captain do a major conduct thing, lost her captaincy. These were all administrative proceedings, with demerits, restriction, etc., but also consequences.
One of the things it is imperative to learn as a future junior officer is to practice operational risk management, to take the time to assess a situation/decisions available, evaluate for risk and impact, think through potential consequences, and have the discipline to choose wisely.
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