Navy fires TR skipper

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I do not have specific info regarding the letter/email and how it got into the media. However, when I had the requisite authority to act on something like this, I always made sure the i's were dotted and the t's crossed. Never was anything regarding operations or security not sent via "classified" or higher heading and using a classified TTY or radiotelephone. For an O-6 to do something this way, he was either at wits end (and probably needed to be relieved) or he just wanted to try and get actions the wrong way.

To say that the "recent admin involvement" in another incident is in any way related to this without specifics is reckless and unsubstantiated. You should try and keep politics out of these forums.
 

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I do not have specific info regarding the letter/email and how it got into the media. However, when I had the requisite authority to act on something like this, I always made sure the i's were dotted and the t's crossed. Never was anything regarding operations or security not sent via "classified" or higher heading and using a classified TTY or radiotelephone. For an O-6 to do something this way, he was either at wits end (and probably needed to be relieved) or he just wanted to try and get actions the wrong way.

To say that the "recent admin involvement" in another incident is in any way related to this without specifics is reckless and unsubstantiated. You should try and keep politics out of these forums.
I think you misread my comment. I wasn't relating the two incidents themselves, my post was referring to the previous comment about this possibly being a bad PR move. My point was that the previous actions might impact the public reception of firing the Captain. There were no politics implied, or comment on the right or wrong of either move - just about the impact of the resulting PR.
 

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My comment here is concerning the PR, Navy SEAL handling, etc. posts e.g. "I think you’re on to something there especially given the recent admin involvement of absolving a Navy Seal." I watched the SECNAV's presser live yesterday and he was asked pointedly about who he consulted above his paygrade. Sec. Modly told the reporter he told the SECDEF what he wanted to do and Sec. Esper agreed. Modly then relieved the captain of his command.

I've found nowhere that the president was involved in these decisions.
 

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I just saw a video of the crew on the hanger deck of the TR cheering for the Captain as he left the ship. Do not have the link but there are several.
 

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Of course, they cheered him. I think it should be obvious to everyone that he had the crew's best interests at heart. He wasn't relieved of command because of his concern for his crew and the safety of his ship. He is a good Captain. He's just not in command of CVN-71 anymore.
 

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My comment here is concerning the PR, Navy SEAL handling, etc. posts e.g. "I think you’re on to something there especially given the recent admin involvement of absolving a Navy Seal." I watched the SECNAV's presser live yesterday and he was asked pointedly about who he consulted above his paygrade. Sec. Modly told the reporter he told the SECDEF what he wanted to do and Sec. Esper agreed. Modly then relieved the captain of his command.

I've found nowhere that the president was involved in these decisions.
He was involved in at least one of these decisions, as was his right as CIC.


Not that it has anything to do with the Capt. Cozier.
 

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Here's what I understand the situation to be: Captain Crozier sent a letter or email or both to numerous people stating that his ship had active COVID-19 cases and pleaded for help. His boss the strike group commander's cabin was just down the P-way. According to the SECNAV at his press conference yesterday, things were in the works to test and evacuate crew and officers affected. The media getting hold of the communique from the captain was the back breaking straw I suppose.

I'm curious as to the recommendations given to Charlie Oscar by the senior medical officer. The SMO is a captain himself and is the department head of medical spaces and personnel that rivals many community hospitals in size and capabilities. I believe I'm the only Independent Duty Corpsman (IDC) member of this forum and not even our physician members have gone to sea without a medical officer, x-ray, lab, and various other modern medical equipment and supplies. That is unless of course they were once IDCs as well. I have a unique view of this matter.

About 85 percent of the Navy and Marine Corps' operating forces have IDCs as their first medical point of contact. The only person who they go to or who runs to them when they are sick or injured. Taking a warship to sea or a Marine unit ashore without a physician is an awesome responsibility and I've done both. It's the most fun and the most scary thing I've ever done.

One day my frigate suffered an engineering casualty at just about the area of the Chesapeake Light. We dropped the hook and radioed in for a part, but all helos were grounded due to fog. Meanwhile one of my female crew members knocks on Sick Bay door and I let her in. She complained of abdominal pain. I did an exam and a pregnancy test which was positive. Abdominal pain plus a positive HCG is an ectopic pregnancy until proven otherwise. I went to the bridge and told the old man what I had. They put me on the red phone in CIC to the clinic at Oceana. I spoke with a medical officer who of course said she needs to be medevac'ed. He called air ops who called the ship. They called me back up to Combat and I spoke with the Air Boss himself. I gave the him a patient report and he said to package her up for a helo ride because he had one inbound.

I once had to hold onto the CHENG for two days with a crushed hand. We were on drug ops in the east Pacific and chasing a bad guy. The captain wouldn't pull off to meet the helo to Panama. I stressed the need for surgical intervention and he finally gave in.

I once recommended to the CO that we not take to sea a young sailor who had suicidal ideations and had been seen by psych. He said we'll keep him as that would snow ball into others faking suicidal thoughts. As soon as we cleared the pier, he jumped off the fantail into the Elizabeth River. The davits for the motor whaleboat froze and we couldn't launch it. A sail boat picked him up. We were just doing a couple days at sea. When we got back, the commodore was waiting at the pier with the squadron medical officer. I was the first off the brow and went straight to the doc with the jumper's health record. The record in which I documented everything including my recommendations.

I once ran an anti-malaria program in Africa where the units before and after us had active malaria cases plus one death. We had zero. The MAGTF commander listened and required everybody else to listen and comply with my direction. Plus, I personally handed each Marine his Mefloquine every Friday.

I have many more similar cases but will stop. I obviously have no command experience as I was a mere enlisted man. But I've had vast responsibilities which required me to be sure of my recommendations because if I cried wolf and the battle group changed course because I thought I had a patient with a heart attack or appendicitis and it turned out to be indigestion, I and the captain would be the laughing stock of the waterfront. I see the situation on the TR in the same lens but it is obviously on a bigger scale. The captain has an outbreak but lucky for him he has a medical adviser. He sent a flash email when he should have knocked on the one star's door and started with him. Maybe he did and he wasn't satisfied and felt a need to do what he did. Again, I'd like to know what he and the senior medical officer talked about concerning this.
 

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He was involved in at least one of these decisions, as was his right as CIC.


Not that it has anything to do with the Capt. Cozier.
I should have been more clear and said POTUS had nothing to do with the decisions leading up to the firing of Crozier.
 
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