I was referring to your quote about handing out the Mefloquine every Friday. But I apologize for singling it out as it wasn’t relevant to the topic at hand here and I was having an overly emotional response to the current geo political medical climate and other issues and I should have just scrolled on by.
Navy fires TR skipper
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No problem. Read up though on Navy Independent Duty Corpsmen. I actually had a medical officer but shortly after we landed in Liberia he had to fly home on a wife related matter. I was the senior healthcare provider, medical logistician, and medical planner all in one billet. The taxpayer made out big time on that op.
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good news from Guam, TR finally underway today, with about 1800 crew still on Guam
planes are flying off the ship tomorrow to start FCLPs (field carrier landing practice) at Anderson Field, and will then CQ aboard the ship. then back to a somewhat normal deployment routine
last count of positive cases was over 1100, many of them are still in quarantine on Guam
planes are flying off the ship tomorrow to start FCLPs (field carrier landing practice) at Anderson Field, and will then CQ aboard the ship. then back to a somewhat normal deployment routine
last count of positive cases was over 1100, many of them are still in quarantine on Guam
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Doctors on the Theodore Roosevelt Feared Dozens Would Die in Coronavirus Outbreak
Four doctors aboard the USS Theodore Roosevelt warned in a memo to Navy medical officials in March that dozens of sailors would die of coronavirus if the entire aircraft carrier weren’t evacuated within 10 days, mirroring the urgency voiced by its commander.
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This, is what I've been looking for. I wouldn't normally put up a link which required a subscription to read but the headline and first sentence is enough. I had read that the TR senior medical officer had been soft on the recommendations to Captain Crozier. At least this shows that not to be the case. I will keep searching for more details.
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On a happier note ... and look at that photo. That’s when I miss sea duty, those pauses at sunrise or sunset, with the salt heavy on the wind, the shush of the waves alongside, maybe dolphins surfing the pressure wave alongside, getting ready for a long day or just getting done with a hard day.
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USS Theodore Roosevelt Completes Carrier Qualifications
The aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN 71) and Carrier Air Wing (CVW) 11 completed carrier qualifications June 2.
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No surprise here:
"THE PENTAGON — The former aircraft carrier commander who was removed after warning Navy leaders of the dangers of a COVID-19 outbreak among his crew will not be reinstated to the lead the ship, Navy leaders said during a press briefing with reporters on Thursday."
I'm a little surprised here:
Capt. Brett Crozier, who commanded USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN-71) until April, will not be reinstated to lead the ship, will not be eligible for future command and faces additional administrative punishment that will be overseen by the U.S. Pacific Fleet commander Adm. John Aquilino.
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"THE PENTAGON — The former aircraft carrier commander who was removed after warning Navy leaders of the dangers of a COVID-19 outbreak among his crew will not be reinstated to the lead the ship, Navy leaders said during a press briefing with reporters on Thursday."
I'm a little surprised here:
Capt. Brett Crozier, who commanded USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN-71) until April, will not be reinstated to lead the ship, will not be eligible for future command and faces additional administrative punishment that will be overseen by the U.S. Pacific Fleet commander Adm. John Aquilino.
TR Investigation Fallout: Crozier Won’t be Reinstated, Strike Group CO Promotion Delayed - USNI News
THE PENTAGON — Capt. Brett Crozier, who commanded USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN-71) until April, will not be reinstated to lead the ship, will not be eligible for future command and faces additional administrative punishment that will be overseen by U.S. Pacific Fleet Commander Adm. John Aquilino...
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I'm guessing the CNO will be having a little chit-chat before the House Armed Services Committee in the very near future. Certain members were very keen to see Captain Crozier restored as I recall.
The article I read said no punishment for the Captain.
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The article I read said no punishment for the Captain.
Navy Inquiry Faults Two Top Officers Aboard Roosevelt for Handling of Virus (Published 2020)
The Navy will not restore Capt. Brett E. Crozier to command of the nuclear-powered carrier, and the promotion of his boss will be put on hold.
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No, no punishment BUT...if the CNO says "no further leadership positions" he might as well put in his papers.I'm guessing the CNO will be having a little chit-chat before the House Armed Services Committee in the very near future. Certain members were very keen to see Captain Crozier restored as I recall.
The article I read said no punishment for the Captain.
Navy Inquiry Faults Two Top Officers Aboard Roosevelt for Handling of Virus (Published 2020)
The Navy will not restore Capt. Brett E. Crozier to command of the nuclear-powered carrier, and the promotion of his boss will be put on hold.
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“Administrative punishment” already includes the “relief for cause/lack of confidence” letter in his service record. If additional issues were surfaced in the more in-depth investigation, there could be a “punitive letter” put in his record.
Even though he will be eligible for promotion to flag rank at the regular time, the presence of negative material in his service record, particularly during major command as an O-6 in his warfare specialty, will 99.999999% cause non-selection. He can choose to remain on AD to 30 years at the rank of O-6, or more likely, stick around sufficient years to ensure he can retire as an O-6, then retire.
There are plenty of staffs where he could be buried as a section head, but he would never have command again. Of course, that is the reality for the majority of O-6s, but without major blots on their records. Normally, achieving the rank of captain and completing a tour of duty in major command is the epitome of a successful Navy career, as is leaving the service when it feels right to go, with a stellar record. Making flag rank is that extra swirl of whipped cream on the top.
Even though he will be eligible for promotion to flag rank at the regular time, the presence of negative material in his service record, particularly during major command as an O-6 in his warfare specialty, will 99.999999% cause non-selection. He can choose to remain on AD to 30 years at the rank of O-6, or more likely, stick around sufficient years to ensure he can retire as an O-6, then retire.
There are plenty of staffs where he could be buried as a section head, but he would never have command again. Of course, that is the reality for the majority of O-6s, but without major blots on their records. Normally, achieving the rank of captain and completing a tour of duty in major command is the epitome of a successful Navy career, as is leaving the service when it feels right to go, with a stellar record. Making flag rank is that extra swirl of whipped cream on the top.
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SGC, Adm Baker also slammed and not likely to get promoted.
"Gilday complained of “an almost paralysis of that command team between the time they pulled into port” in Guam until sailors began to leave the ship for the hotel. "
not a good bullet to have from the CNO....
"Gilday complained of “an almost paralysis of that command team between the time they pulled into port” in Guam until sailors began to leave the ship for the hotel. "
not a good bullet to have from the CNO....
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Agreed. Not surprising another head rolled. That was not a successful pairing on the ship.
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I agree with the Capt' that this was not a good pairing.
Speaking of a pair of leaders I thought of a YouTube video I previously posted from the US Army War College which used J.E.B. Stewart's actions prior to Gettysburg as an example of bad pairing. Long story short, Stewart assigned Lee Calvary units (primary job was recon) that he knew Lee had no confidence in because Stewart didn't like their CO. Lee didn't use them. Suffice it to say, it didn't go well for the General. The lesson was, you have to know your subordinates 2 levels down from you. Their interpersonal relationships, personal problems, etc. with their immediate supervisors can have a big negative effect.
Speaking of a pair of leaders I thought of a YouTube video I previously posted from the US Army War College which used J.E.B. Stewart's actions prior to Gettysburg as an example of bad pairing. Long story short, Stewart assigned Lee Calvary units (primary job was recon) that he knew Lee had no confidence in because Stewart didn't like their CO. Lee didn't use them. Suffice it to say, it didn't go well for the General. The lesson was, you have to know your subordinates 2 levels down from you. Their interpersonal relationships, personal problems, etc. with their immediate supervisors can have a big negative effect.
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Several years ago, the corporate leadership team I was a part of did a “Gettysburg-inspired leadership training” in which lessons from the battle are applied to corporate management. A key tenet was “two levels up, two levels down.” As in, the most effective leaders ensure that their intentions are known by their boss’s boss and by their subordinates’ subordinates. This, apparently, was done well by the Union at Gettysburg, but not as well by the Confederates. Personally, I’ve seen its impact in the corporate world and it’s indeed valid.
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Navy names missile after Crozier just to fire him a third time
WASHINGTON — The US Navy has officially named a smart bomb after Capt. Brett Crozier, the officer who spoke up in order to protect his crew from COVID-19, in order to fire the Crozier missile from a ship after exhausting the option to fire Crozier from his position yet again.
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Quote from an article on a Rand study of the COVID outbreak on the TR. I was anxious from the get-go about what the senior medical officer's (SMO) advice was to Captain Crozier. The Tactical Combat Casualty Care doctrine calls for mission over medical. That's in a killing zone of course and Crozier himself said, Sailors don't have to die.
"The report highlights competing interests on the ship, as the "medical chain of command was focused on how best to treat an outbreak, with maximum emphasis on minimizing risk to patients, while the operational chain of command was focusing on how best to mitigate risk to mission."
"The article also states, "The ship's doctors sent their concerns all the way to the Surgeon General of the Navy and "to over 160 additional email addresses." That in itself isn't unusual but should have been chopped by the CO. In this day of email I suppose all the appropriate people in Medical were contacting anybody who could help them figure out what they were about to get hit with.
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"The report highlights competing interests on the ship, as the "medical chain of command was focused on how best to treat an outbreak, with maximum emphasis on minimizing risk to patients, while the operational chain of command was focusing on how best to mitigate risk to mission."
"The article also states, "The ship's doctors sent their concerns all the way to the Surgeon General of the Navy and "to over 160 additional email addresses." That in itself isn't unusual but should have been chopped by the CO. In this day of email I suppose all the appropriate people in Medical were contacting anybody who could help them figure out what they were about to get hit with.
'Chaos and Drama:' A New Report Sheds Light on What Went Wrong Aboard the Navy's COVID-Stricken Carrier
The USS Roosevelt ended up spending about one-third of the deployment docked in Guam with many crew members moved into hotels and other facilities.
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Thanks for the follow up!