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I respectfully decline the suggestion to listen to my father. There's a reason I'm only applying to out of state colleges.

Let me leave with some points and I shall stay out of this thread.

- By blown out proportion, I mean the restrictions for those that are unvaccinated such as myself. My mental health went downhill throughout quarantine and it has taken a while to dig out of that hole. Don't even consider the fact that my education and mental state hasn't "crippled" due to the pandemic
-The treatment I mention, the vaccine, is apparently useless against the new variants since those that are vaccinated can contract said variants
-Also don't suggest that my age has anything to do with how valid my opinions are. Based on what I've read I have an extremely high level of maturity compared to most folks out there.

If you wish to discuss this further feels free to PM me, however I'd prefer to stay out of conversations like this. I stand true to what I believe.
 
I appreciate that this thread is still open. I also encourage young posters to feel comfortable posting without feeling that they are being spoken to condescendingly.
We come from all walks of life. We come from a million different medical histories and risk factors.

None of you are my personal physician. I will entrust my decisions to consultations with my doctor and my risk factors. I will skip most/all news agencies and forums for medical advice. Don’t get me started on my doubts about the motivations of Big Pharma.

For a virus with a plus 99% survivability rate, we sure have gone off the rails.
I do think it goes without saying that military members are a unit that stands apart. They have been jabbed for who knows what for a century. Not saying it’s right, but when you raise your hand, and swear the oath you accept the consequences of disobeying a directive.

Merry Christmas SAF folks. Be kind to one another.
 
I respectfully decline the suggestion to listen to my father. There's a reason I'm only applying to out of state colleges.

Let me leave with some points and I shall stay out of this thread.

- By blown out proportion, I mean the restrictions for those that are unvaccinated such as myself. My mental health went downhill throughout quarantine and it has taken a while to dig out of that hole. Don't even consider the fact that my education and mental state hasn't "crippled" due to the pandemic
-The treatment I mention, the vaccine, is apparently useless against the new variants since those that are vaccinated can contract said variants
-Also don't suggest that my age has anything to do with how valid my opinions are. Based on what I've read I have an extremely high level of maturity compared to most folks out there.

If you wish to discuss this further feels free to PM me, however I'd prefer to stay out of conversations like this. I stand true to what I believe.
 
After getting caught on this thread I will go back to my 🥃. And yes it still AM in my local but after reading this thread on top of the constant barrage of negative news regarding this dreaded sickness has driven me to this state.... Besides it is five oclock somewhere 🦜
 
After getting caught on this thread I will go back to my 🥃. And yes it still AM in my local but after reading this thread on top of the constant barrage of negative news regarding this dreaded sickness has driven me to this state.... Besides it is five oclock somewhere 🦜
Be salty and use “the sun is over the yardarm somewhere in the Empire,” a useful concept dating from the Royal Navy.
 
I appreciate that this thread is still open. I also encourage young posters to feel comfortable posting without feeling that they are being spoken to condescendingly. We come from all walks of life. We come from a million different medical histories and risk factors.

None of you are my personal physician. I will entrust my decisions to consultations with my doctor and my risk factors. I will skip most/all news agencies and forums for medical advice. Don’t get me started on my doubts about the motivations of Big Pharma.

For a virus with a plus 99% survivability rate, we sure have gone off the rails. I do think it goes without saying that military members are a unit that stands apart. They have been jabbed for who knows what for a century. Not saying it’s right, but when you raise your hand, and swear the oath you accept the consequences of disobeying a directive.

Merry Christmas SAF folks. Be kind to one another.

I don't agree with what you said other than being glad the thread stayed open, swearing an oath when signing up for the military, Merry Christmas and being kind.

However, the "99% survivability" and "none of you are my personal physician" statements are indicative of the collective, ongoing selfishness of the "I can do what I want" crowd as to COVID-19. That same attitude is the main factor of why we are looking at another variant, a huge wave of illness, more shutdowns, lockdowns, economic peril, "distance learning," "canceled everything" and other needless nonsense.

It makes sense to say "it is ok for the military to require the vaccine" and somehow imply that outside of that context the reasons behind vaccination would not apply? Really? The epidemiology behind this only works in the military? The requirement to follow orders validates the science? The rest is made up by the media and Big Pharma? Ok to take an even more recent (and even less tested) COVID-19 pill when sick as opposed to not getting sick in the first place by using the "untested" vaccine?

This is not a hard decision. People are dying, getting sick, staying sick and are not able to get the healthcare they need because hospitals are jammed with almost all seriously sick and almost all unvaccinated COVID-19 patients. Every day this continues we, our kids, families and friends are losing more and more opportunities to live our lives, and yet these same people ask "when is it going to end?"

That answer is clear and it does not exist just off the edge of the map with the dragons.
 
Groupthink has never been a hallmark of the USA.
People can do what they want here.

That's why people like coming here and why I love visiting other places. Sometimes the best part about visiting other places is knowing I get to come home. I think this country is pretty great.

Now - if you're in the military - it's different. That's more the point of the thread, but far be it for me to say I haven't ever caused a thread to run astray. Hoo boy, I do it all the time. It's sort of a hobby. ;)
 
I don't agree with what you said other than being glad the thread stayed open, swearing an oath when signing up for the military, Merry Christmas and being kind.

However, the "99% survivability" and "none of you are my personal physician" statements are indicative of the collective, ongoing selfishness of the "I can do what I want" crowd as to COVID-19. That same attitude is the main factor of why we are looking at another variant, a huge wave of illness, more shutdowns, lockdowns, economic peril, "distance learning," "canceled everything" and other needless nonsense.

It makes sense to say "it is ok for the military to require the vaccine" and somehow imply that outside of that context the reasons behind vaccination would not apply? Really? The epidemiology behind this only works in the military? The requirement to follow orders validates the science? The rest is made up by the media and Big Pharma? Ok to take an even more recent (and even less tested) COVID-19 pill when sick as opposed to not getting sick in the first place by using the "untested" vaccine?

This is not a hard decision. People are dying, getting sick, staying sick and are not able to get the healthcare they need because hospitals are jammed with almost all seriously sick and almost all unvaccinated COVID-19 patients. Every day this continues we, our kids, families and friends are losing more and more opportunities to live our lives, and yet these same people ask "when is it going to end?"

That answer is clear and it does not exist just off the edge of the map with the dragons.
Well, you aren't my doctor so it's hard to argue that point. The beauty of America is being able to determine what we do with our own bodies. I am not anti-vaccine. I received what my doctor recommended. But I had the choice to do so. I think that's important.
 
Groupthink has never been a hallmark of the USA.
People can do what they want here.

That's why people like coming here and why I love visiting other places. Sometimes the best part about visiting other places is knowing I get to come home. I think this country is pretty great.

Now - if you're in the military - it's different. That's more the point of the thread, but far be it for me to say I haven't ever caused a thread to run astray. Hoo boy, I do it all the time. It's sort of a hobby. ;)
You're the best at it.
 
I for one could use a drink

I am still trying to get my head around , the fact that people today want individual choice, the right to keep their body safe, sound and pristine, that they want a potential job where they can pick and choose freely, including what vax or shot they will or won’t get, or what orders they will follow, and they decide after much thought that they want to become a part of the US military.

It seems delusional or at best ignorant as to the path they are considering.
 
Groupthink has never been a hallmark of the USA.
People can do what they want here.

That's why people like coming here and why I love visiting other places. Sometimes the best part about visiting other places is knowing I get to come home. I think this country is pretty great.

Now - if you're in the military - it's different. That's more the point of the thread, but far be it for me to say I haven't ever caused a thread to run astray. Hoo boy, I do it all the time. It's sort of a hobby. ;)

Well, our country is indeed awesome and our freedoms are generally unmatched. Your statement that "people can do what they want here" though is only true to a point.

There are many laws and regulations that would be deemed "groupthink" that are at odds with your statement and/or the "I can do what I want no matter what" attitude, or some people's views of the U.S. Constitution: speeding, taxes, seat belts, motorcycle helmets, vaccinations for public school attendance or work, passports, selective service registration, facial recognition, driving under the influence, limits on "religious" practices (polygamy, peyote, etc.), outright polygamy bans, political contribution limits, hate speech restrictions, prosecution for storming the Capitol, driver's licenses, statutory rape, yelling "fire" in a crowded theater....and the list goes on and on.

Likewise, if you contract Typhus, nobody says that you need to be treated like Typhoid Mary, but the public health threat would be real and dealt with accordingly - for the greater good. The Supreme Court already dealt with all of these arguments in Jacobson v. Massachusetts, 197 U.S. 11 (1905) when it came to a mandatory smallpox vaccination:

"The possession and enjoyment of all rights are subject to such reasonable conditions as may be deemed by the governing authority of the country essential to the safety, health, peace, good order and morals of the community. Even liberty itself, the greatest of all rights, is not unrestricted license to act according to one's own will. It is only freedom from restraint under conditions essential to the equal enjoyment of the same right by others. It is then liberty regulated by law."

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"Smallpox is known of all to be a dangerous and contagious disease. If vaccination strongly tends to prevent the transmission or spread of this disease, it logically follows that children may be refused admission to the public schools until they have been vaccinated. The appellant claims that vaccination does not tend to prevent smallpox, but tends to bring about other diseases, and that it does much harm, with no good.

It must be conceded that some laymen, both learned and unlearned, and some physicians of great skill and repute, do not believe that vaccination is a preventive of smallpox. The common belief, however, is that it has a decided tendency to prevent the spread of this fearful disease and to render it less dangerous to those who contract it. While not accepted by all, it is accepted by the mass of the people, as well as by most members of the medical profession. It has been general in our State and in most civilized nations for generations. It is generally accepted in theory and generally applied in practice, both by the voluntary action of the people and in obedience to the command of law. Nearly every State of the Union has statutes to encourage, or directly or indirectly to require, vaccination, and this is true of most nations of Europe."

A common belief, like common knowledge, does not require evidence to establish its existence, but may be acted upon without proof by the legislature and the courts."



Pretty simple. Freedom isn't free, and the minority medical view will not carry the day vs. the greater good.


Well, you aren't my doctor so it's hard to argue that point. The beauty of America is being able to determine what we do with our own bodies. I am not anti-vaccine. I received what my doctor recommended. But I had the choice to do so. I think that's important.

Again, not entirely correct. Immunizations for school and/or work, abortion availability/restrictions (or bans), illegal drugs, suicide being illegal in most states, public nudity/indecent exposure bans, blood alcohol/limits while driving, prostitution....gain, it goes on and on as to what you "can't do with your own body."

This scenario is no different.

After all, Mr. Spock was right: "Logic clearly dictates that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few."
 
@A1Janitor-

You couldn't even have read that in the amount of time it took before you posted your reaction.

Too bad you find the Supreme Court and logic to be funny, even if you didn't read it first.
 
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