School Superitendent's Son

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  1. Mr2020

    Mr2020 U.S. Merchant Marine Academy '19

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    You're definitely not a lawyer. There are no charges to file here. I doubt there's any civil litigation possible either. The most you can do is complain to the School Board. The school board will make the call to keep or fire or maybe discipline their superintendent. I doubt they will take any action over the supe helping his son out.

    The lesson here is that life is not fair. There will always be those with connections or gifts financial, intellectual, physical etc that will out-muscle you however hard you try. The most you can give is your best and that is it. The rest is out of your control.

    If you look closely, this doesn't only represent a lack of ethics on behalf of the supe, but for all of the teachers that responded to his use of influence positively and whoever appointed him to boys state based on his parent's influence. It's what we like to call an "error-chain" where one link collapsing could have broken the chain.

    Similar to the report on the USS McCain you can see how there was a chain that could have been broken not only once, but several times and represents a failure of leadership on multiple levels. Training, operational, monitoring, human factors, etc.
     
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  2. Old Navy BGO

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    There are an awful lot of assumptions and or accusations in this entire thread. Note the OP stated the Superintendant "may have" influenced... Yes, if a Superintendent did in fact use his position to get his kid appointed to NHS , or create a Boys State position, then it is a link in the so called "error chain" which could have been broken if the teachers and administrators had stood up to the Boss....which is a really hard ask for some teacher living paycheck to paycheck. One might also consider that the Superintendent didn't have anything to do with this ...maybe Administrators and teachers favored the Superintendent's son to curry favor. In any event, OP should be careful about accusations and jumping to conclusions .. there are always two sides to every story, and the truth usually follows somewhere in between.
     
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  3. parent

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    @Old Navy BGO There have not been any accusations or conclusions. I simply was stating what was conveyed to me and asking for advice. After thinking about this "YES" I do believe the Superintendent did use his position to get his son into Boys State and the NHS is a position appointed by the teachers. Is it just a coincidence supe's son has showed up in two places that happen to add points to a SA application? Maybe? I am starting to suspect it is not. This HS has more than 1200 students and they are sending 3 to Girls State. As they say where there is smoke there is usually fire.
     
  4. parent

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    Nope not a lawyer. Just a blue collar guy trying to make an honest living.
     
  5. OldRetSWO

    OldRetSWO USNA 78/parent 11/BGO for >25yrs 5-Year Member

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    I am the County Coordinator for Boys State and a Trustee of our State's Boys State foundation. Boys State and Girls State are totally separate and generally, a totally different set of people all the way through it. Boys State is an American Legion program and Girls State is an American Legion Auxiliary program and the organizations are not the same. We start Boys State next Sunday (I will be there starting on Saturday) and Girls State is several weeks later and held at a different location.
     
  6. parent

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    I get it. Yet the point that I must not be getting across is that Candidate #1 went out of his way to get to Boys State and Supe's son was put in over other possibly more qualified students or the guess is that it was not even offered to others. There are only 2 attendees at Boys State.
     
  7. Mr2020

    Mr2020 U.S. Merchant Marine Academy '19

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    This is getting ridiculous. Going to Boys State doesn't make or break anyone for anything. I would bet the majority of mids at the Naval Academy have never been to or wanted to go to Boys State.
     
  8. NJROTC-CC

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    Not to disparage Boy's State, but I never even heard of it before. I just looked it up. It is a one week camp. Yes, it is a worthy experience and an honor to be selected for it, but it's a ONE WEEK camp. Get over it! There are much worse examples of favoritism in life that we all have to deal with at some point, like being passed over for captain of team, or a big promotion at work, etc. The admissions processes to the academies and ROTC are as fair as humanly, practically possible. Nothing is perfect.
     
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  9. parent

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    Wow! Did I hit a nerve? Sorry if I did @GaitherDad . Just as a side note Boys State gets a candidate as many points on a SA app as an Eagle Scout does. A SA application specifically asked about Boys State and Boys Nation and awards points to a candidates WCS by attending one or both. I did notice you have another HS student who may wish to pursue a SA may I politely suggest he and/or you contact your school or local American Legion and inquire about it or contact any SA's admissions office or you MOC and ask how if could help an application. Again I am sorry if I have upset or offended you in any way. I am just trying to get opinions and answers to help a candidate who may have the odds stacked against them.
     
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  10. falconchic88

    falconchic88 5-Year Member

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    In my opinion, the candidate should be advised to worry about putting his best application forward and not worry about others. Interestingly, many schools do not promote or send kids to boy's state, but that does not mean someone from that school can't attend, or was denied an opportunity by the school, as they can apply directly through the American Legion.
     
  11. parent

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    @Mr2020 I know USNA looks extremely favorable on candidates who attend Boys State. The other SA's do also. Last year I know personally 3 MIDNS who attended Boys State and One of them Bpys Nation attendee too!. All 3 ranked in top 20 of class of 2019. So I must politely disagree with your comment that the majority do not want or have never been tp Boys State. The question is not who is attending Boys State the question is... of a candidate possibly using his parent's position as an administrator to further his son's application over another student in the same school system. Is that ethical and what should the candidate who feels slighted do. Nothing more nothing less.
     
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    You made my point. Candidate #1 was denied by the school then applied to local American Legion and then sees the Superintendent's son at the camp. Coincidence? Just many things not lining up or passing the smell test.
     
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  13. Dr. Strange Love

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    Seems like a lot of Him-Hawing, and so on, and such ....
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  14. falconchic88

    falconchic88 5-Year Member

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    Actually my point was that if Candidate #1 could apply directly through the American Legion, so then could Superintendent's son, and so could any other child that was interested in attending Boys State despite going to a school that apparently doesn't have a formal application process in place for Boys State.
     
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    Looking at the flip side, do you think the child that is the Superintendent's son should be penalized just because he is the superintendent's son? It must be difficult for him to succeed at anything if everyone assumes he only got there because of who his father is. What does the rest of supt's son's resume look like? How are his ACT/SAT scores? How are his grades? If they are up to par with other successful USNA candidates, then why would one assume he needed his dad to get him to Boys State? If they aren't up to par, then Boys State alone won't get him an appointment anyway. Like I said initially, Candidate #1 needs to worry about putting his best application forward, and not worry about someone else. Also, more than one person can be appointed from the same school.
     
  16. Old Navy BGO

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    To my knowledge, no one has ever published the USNA WCS algorithm. This statement gets bantered about here from time to time, but the basis is unclear.

    I understand Boy's State is a good program, and I think the value to Admissions is that selection for Boy's State is the fact that the participant is recognized for their leadership potential. That said, achieving the Eagle Rank is Boy Scouts, which involves several years of dedication and actual leadership experience is a completely different experience than Boy's State.
     
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  17. Dr. Strange Love

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    ... and girls don’t go to boys state .... Do they?
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  18. parent

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    Penalized no. Yet when he is appointed by teachers (not elected by his peers) who report to his father there is an apparent conflict of interest. If it was my son/daughter applying to USNA would it be a conflict for me to interview other candidates they may be competing against? Candidate who feels slighted is the one who was at first denied by the school...they don't do Boys State so he found another way to get himself in. Them surprise the Supe's son is there. Question is how did Supe's son get in if school did not do Boys State.
     
  19. parent

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    My information on the points awarded for Eagle Scout and Boys State is from USNA BGO meeting last year. I agree USNA has not published WCS algorithm yet last year a BGO asked and they stated it was worth the same as an Eagle Scout +500 points. The question is is the Superintendent using his influence to help his son? If he is is that
    unethical?
     
  20. OldRetSWO

    OldRetSWO USNA 78/parent 11/BGO for >25yrs 5-Year Member

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    They do not. Most states have Girls State which is a similar program