Service selection sheets turned in for c/o 24!!

sngtlm said:
Anyone know if it’s relatively competitive to go USMC ground, or if it’s just a normal option?
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At least in DD’s time (c/o ‘22), going Marines was quite competitive. More interested mids than they had room for. Plus the Marines are rather picky. They have a type in mind, and it centers on wanting to be a Marine above all else. You must excel at Leatherneck and be a known entity among the Marine detachment on the Yard. Now that DD is a 2LT and has met others from all accession paths, she sees that mold very clearly.
 
usna1985 said:
I don't recall as much "drama" in the days of service SELECTION. I guess we all pretty much knew, based on class standing, what we could choose. More excitement -- less angst.
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^ Concur.... at least if you were in the top half of the Class. About the only unknown I had was Pensacola report date, and I got exactly what I wanted. That said, it was a lot more nerve-wracking for those with class ranks that fell right about where the cutoff for things like Pilot, NFO and USMC fell. Also, we did ship selection at the same time, so the SWO's had more variables to contend with.
 
MidCakePa said:
At least in DD’s time (c/o ‘22), going Marines was quite competitive. More interested mids than they had room for. Plus the Marines are rather picky. They have a type in mind, and it centers on wanting to be a Marine above all else. You must excel at Leatherneck and be a known entity among the Marine detachment on the Yard. Now that DD is a 2LT and has met others from all accession paths, she sees that mold very clearly.
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Marines are a bit different and if different means better I’m ok with that ! 😉
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Waiting to here from friend where her son was placed. She's been on pins and needles these last couple months, son not so much, lol. Meanwhile my son, who declined his Academy Appointment and went to our state University instead, is waiting to hear back from the Naval Shipyard in Puget Sound about a possible internship! Funny how he's circled back!
 
LKNBrawley said:
What would a service assignment under the " Restricted" line entail?
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A1Janitor said:
Does restricted line officers include staff corps officers like CEC?
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Quick and dirty:

Restricted Line and Staff Corps are their own officer groups, as is Unrestricted Line. I’ve written numerous posts in this but at the moment don’t have the time to go grab one.

Unrestricted essentially means these officers may command afloat or ashore, in or out of their specialty, operationally and administratively. That covers all the big URL seagoing communities.

RL and Staff Corps work almost 100% within their own specialties and may command within their specialty. They may also go to sea, but will not command a ship, sub, squadron, battle group, SEAL or EOD unit. Or any of the Fleet commands or CNO, etc., at the 4-star level.

Staff Corps provide specialized skills in their profession: law, medicine, dentistry, nursing, medical service, civil engineering, chaplaincy, etc. They may also command within their specialty. Giveaway on Staff Corps - Staff Corps also have their own corps insignia on their uniforms, where URL and RL have stars. Example: the DepDant, a submariner, URL, has a star on his SDB sleeve and any shoulder boards he wears. A fellow captain who is a chaplain, will have a cross or other faith group emblem in those places.
 
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Capt MJ said:
Quick and dirty:

Restricted Line and Staff Corps are their own officer groups, as is Unrestricted Line. I’ve written numerous posts in this but at the moment don’t have the time to go grab one.

Unrestricted essentially means these officers may command afloat or ashore, in or out of their specialty, operationally and administratively. That covers all the big URL seagoing communities.

RL and Staff Corps work almost 100% within their own specialties and may command within their specialty. They may also go to sea, but will not command a ship, sub, squadron, battle group, SEAL or EOD unit.

Staff Corps provide specialized skills in their profession: law, medicine, dentistry, nursing, civil engineering, chaplaincy, etc.
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I wasn’t sure if the numbers reported above for RL included Staff as was posted.

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A1Janitor said:
I wasn’t sure if the numbers reported above for RL included Staff as was posted.

I pay attention to your posts!
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USNA tends to smush them together, and the mids don’t have the specifics. In the Fleet it’s a clear understanding.
 
OldRetSWO said:
Draft JOs to do what? Please be specific

There is no shortage of design people for the Navy. The shortages are primarily for SKILLED Tradespeople such as welders. A secondary shortage is for actual drydocks/construction places since we've divested all of our Navy owned new-construction yards/capabilities and the private shipbuilding industry in the US has just about dried up.

I really don't see a role for newly commissioned Ensigns in this arena, EVEN IF the Navy somehow created/bought new construction shipyards. Even when we owned our own such as the Brooklyn Naval Shipyard or Long Beach Naval Shipyard, there were not actual enlisted folks or officers who did much of the work.
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To be fair, this was somewhat flippant, as I don't see the Navy doing this anytime soon.
My thought was that at some point they likely need to look at reinvesting in shipyards again. I don't know if the numbers would ever flip the argument to training and maintaining AD tradespeople vs contracting. If so I would assume a line of officers would be needed to at least do the paperwork for it. It also seems possible to have trained drydock sailors and officers who specialize in overseeing that entire process, rather than hearing stories on here about JOs assigned to a drydock ship and having to learn that process on the fly or whether a more familiar crew could prevent dockside fires from destroying a 2 billion dollar ship.

I certainly have no expertise or insight to offer intelligent suggestions or argue why it would or wouldn't work.
 
justme said:
I don't know if the numbers would ever flip the argument to training and maintaining AD tradespeople vs contracting. If so I would assume a line of officers would be needed to at least do the paperwork for it
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We already have people doing that....I presume some that have done a full Yard period have more details (my experience was limited to a couple weeks in the Boston Yards on 1/c cruise, and living near Bath ME (aka Bath Iron Works) during my time in the Navy- I was at NAS Brunswick, and had nothing to do with BIW,but did know people stationed there). Even civilian shipyards have active duty Navy as well as Navy employees (I think they were SUPESHIPS) providing onsite oversight and contract management on all new construction.

Interesting comment on using government employees (it would not be active duty, but rather a civilian workforce ) v. contracting ship construction. Certainly some advantages to having direct control, but the trend over the years has been a shift away from a federal workforce to contracting work. A long ago example -- the janitorial staff in Bancroft Hall used to be civilian employees of USNA, that was taken over by a contracted force in the early 80's, and I suspect that much of Bancroft Hall services (including laundry and King Hall) have gone the same way since.
 
Does it happen that JOs get assigned to a ship or boat that is in maintenance and not see any sea duty during their service commitment?
 
justme said:
To be fair, this was somewhat flippant, as I don't see the Navy doing this anytime soon.
My thought was that at some point they likely need to look at reinvesting in shipyards again. I don't know if the numbers would ever flip the argument to training and maintaining AD tradespeople vs contracting. If so I would assume a line of officers would be needed to at least do the paperwork for it. It also seems possible to have trained drydock sailors and officers who specialize in overseeing that entire process, rather than hearing stories on here about JOs assigned to a drydock ship and having to learn that process on the fly or whether a more familiar crew could prevent dockside fires from destroying a 2 billion dollar ship.

I certainly have no expertise or insight to offer intelligent suggestions or argue why it would or wouldn't work.
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When Ens OldRetSWO completed Surface Warfare Officer School, he (I) reported to a ship under construction at Newport News Shipyard and was there for about 15 months before the ship ever left the pier. and after we commissioned, we returned to the yard two more times for 2 months and then 6 months so I became all too familiar with shipyards and the construction/repair process. Newport News Shipyard builds all of our nuke carriers, built our nuke cruisers when we had them and builds a good number of our submarines.
While I was there for all too long a period, there was a small number of actual Navy people in the SUPSHIP (Supervisor of Shipbuilding) office who actually represented the Navy itself on a daily basis to the shipyard.

As for the firefighting, it is really too much to discuss here but suffice it to say that there were rules that the shipyard did not follow which had a very big role in what happened. Yes, the ship could have forced the issue on a daily basis but doing so stretches the yard period and there is neither time nor budget $$$s for that. While the CO could very much make things stop until fixed, that CO would be replaced very quickly. It is very unfortunate that it is that way.
To have sailors attached to the yard as the firefighters would be great but you'd need a LARGE number of them on a 24/7 basis.
 
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