The Gunsmith Thread

In the VAST majority of these cases, some yahoo with money buys every gadget he can yet they can't hit the side of a barn.

In a perfect world, we would require marksmanship classes in addition to safety courses before you could purchase a firearm.

Reminds me of the clowns that have every new bit of ski equipment available but don't know how to ski.
 
I think I’ve mentioned on here before about the man at the range who came in with his shotgun still in the box. He unpacked it and kept reading the papers like he was looking for operating instructions. He did this for well over 30 minutes and fortunately my son and I got out of there before he figured it out.
 
Most people I see shoot AR-15s at less than 100 meters. At our indoor range, the best we can do is 25 meters. At that distance, nobody should need an optic. In the 80's we shot at 400 meters with iron sights and we hit what we were aiming at. Granted, we were fairly well-trained and those were 22" barrels, but still...
 
THParent said:
Most people I see shoot AR-15s at less than 100 meters. At our indoor range, the best we can do is 25 meters. At that distance, nobody should need an optic. In the 80's we shot at 400 meters with iron sights and we hit what we were aiming at. Granted, we were fairly well-trained and those were 22" barrels, but still...
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I've taken my Springfield and Garand out to 1000 yards...that far out...my Springfield is better, out to 600 yards...it's a wash. I have yet to outfit an "AR" for long-distance shooting. I know at Camp Perry they do it as a norm...I just haven't, yet.

Steve
 
USMCGrunt said:
In a perfect world, we would require marksmanship classes in addition to safety courses before you could purchase a firearm.
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> And that is my solution to the 'gun control' issue.. I get and support the"right" to bear arms argument, but if every gun owner had to spend a reasonable amount of time with a qualified instructor, we'd would be able to screen out those that simply shouldn't be around guns.
 
flieger83 said:
I've taken my Springfield and Garand out to 1000 yards...that far out...my Springfield is better, out to 600 yards...it's a wash. I have yet to outfit an "AR" for long-distance shooting. I know at Camp Perry they do it as a norm...I just haven't, yet.

Steve
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Would you believe I have never been to Camp Perry? I am afraid to go, because I'll come home with another Garand. ;)
AR-15 (55 gr. FMJ) at 1,000 yards has a bullet drop of 57'-4", compared to about 31'-3" for the Garand. Talk about lobbing it in there.
 
I went to the range with both Navy and Marines as medical coverage and was able to shoot most times. I qualified Expert more than once on iron sights. The first time I went with my son shooting his AR with optics I could hardly hit the paper.
 
THParent said:
Would you believe I have never been to Camp Perry? I am afraid to go, because I'll come home with another Garand. ;)
AR-15 (55 gr. FMJ) at 1,000 yards has a bullet drop of 57'-4", compared to about 31'-3" for the Garand. Talk about lobbing it in there.
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I was told to move to a 1:7 twist, and 77 grains if I wanted to shoot that far. And I haven't been to Camp Perry either. I do very well in local shoots, but then I remember the Master Gunnery Sergeant that I had a chance to work with here in Phoenix at a 1000 yard range. My shooting partner and I were using his M1A...it's all national match, everything you can want for a legal competition rifle. We were shooting match ammo...and we were on target. (Let's just leave it at that, you'll understand why in a minute)

There were some marines from CA there shooting...they had their toys with them. There was some "joint military something" happening then. He (MGySgt) came over, admired the rifle (belongs to my shooting buddy), and asked if he might try? We handed it to him, explained it was zeroed at 200 and moved back. He got on the rifle...and in the course of several minutes, he shot a grouping that was right at 1.5 minutes of angle. Then he stood, got into his "off-hand" position, and fired one round. And he hit the target!!

At that point, we were ready to begin the bowing ritual! After that, he spent much of the day with us, showing us things, teaching technique...I'll never forget the one thing he said I had to focus on: "Steve...what's your heart rate when you shoot?" Me: Uh...beating? Him (after laughing)...well...mine's normally around 60 but when I shoot, I lower it to 44. You have to shoot between the beats."

HUH?!!!

Okay...I've been working on that for the past 20 years...

Still working on it...

Steve
 
Man, I sure remember the barrel jumping up and down with my heartbeat - especially when using a hasty sling or deliberate sling (I think that is what they called the one around your arm). Achieving a slow and steady trigger pull AND trying to time it between heart beats - the stuff of legends ;)
 
THParent said:
Most people I see shoot AR-15s at less than 100 meters. At our indoor range, the best we can do is 25 meters. At that distance, nobody should need an optic. In the 80's we shot at 400 meters with iron sights and we hit what we were aiming at. Granted, we were fairly well-trained and those were 22" barrels, but still...
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My favorite deer rifle is my Marlin 336 in .35 Remington. I put a Williams ghost ring on it years ago. I can actually get a 5" group at 100 yards with that setup. I get a 2" group at 50 yards. I've taken countless deer with that rifle. I never shot further than 35 yards. In the thick woods I hunt, I can't even SEE 50 yards! And ghost rings never fog up...

I picked up my new Ruger Mark IV .22 pistol today. Can't wait to take it to the range. Believe it or not, I can't wait to clean it! The nightmare of stripping a Ruger Mark I, II, or III pistol has gone away. The Mark IV breaks down in 10 seconds and goes back together just as quickly.
 
USMCGrunt said:
Reminds me of the clowns that have every new bit of ski equipment available but don't know how to ski.
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That reminds me of my HS History teacher, who I am still friends with today. He's the one who got me into flyfishing. Our first time going trout fishing, we saw a guy with thousands of $ of equipment, including the hat. But he wasn't catching a thing. Even I was catching fish, and it was my first time at it.

My teacher said, "That guy is literally a walking Orvis catalog. But his problem is that he is standing where he should be fishing, and fishing where he should be standing."

And that was my first lesson on how to read water...
 
brewmeist said:
Our first time going trout fishing, we saw a guy with thousands of $ of equipment, including the hat. But he wasn't catching a thing.
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I was out fishing in Colorado just a few weeks ago.. Asked the guide about new Rod I was contemplating , and his response was "it's not the arrow, its the Indian.." So true in many respects. (But I'm still gonna buy the Rod; Orvis Recon 4 wt - my Mother gave us one as a shared/joint gift to DW and I last year, and seems my wife has adopted it as hers !). I'm normally an LL Bean guy (I've got to do mail order, not many local fly shops ) but that Recon is sweet !
 
@THParent What is that firearm that the scope's backwards on?? It's got a really short barrel tho but it looks like it only shoots red arrows so...LOL!
 
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