The Reapplying Club

[Broncos22]

Stats

What are the the stats of the % of 2nd timers who receive an appointment?

 

[flyerdreamer]

What are the the stats of the % of 2nd timers who receive an appointment?

I'd be curious to know the # as well, if it's even tracked. I do know that approx 25% or more of each incoming class are comprised of those not fresh out of high school...

 

[HueyNation]

 

[USNAhopeful~2015]

Though my screen name may not suggest it, I'm reporting in. Reapplicant, will be attending NMMI with the Falcon Foundation Scholarship! Let's go c/o 2016!

 

[hunterjumper67]

USAFA Prepschool and re-apply to USAFA

DD received appointment to USAFA prep school and is very excited with this appointment. We know this doesn't mean that she will receive an appointment to the USAFA but that it does increase her chances. However, after reading the handbook I am a little confused about what she will need to do to be able to get an appointment. If nobody knows the answer, I am sure she will find out soon enough but I am just curious. Does she retake the SAT/ACT if her scores were not at a competitive level for the AFA? Does she follow the regular application process? It appears that they put the prep school cadets in front of a review board? Is this in lieu of the application? Any and all info would be awesome!!!! Thanks

 

[CadCandMateus]

Since she will go to the academy prep school, she is basically guaranteed an appointment as long as she does what she is supposed to do, does decent in her classes and stays out of trouble.


Congratulations on your DD!!



-USAFA Prep School class of 2008

 

[jagabiti]

OK we are back in the "round two" club! DS is trying again when the application opens up. Is it July 1st? He is going AROTC at Rutgers but since being WL and still haven't heard anything as of today, it looks like a NO. So here he goes again! Any advice from anyone? What should he do different? He's tried to call the academy and ask but hasn't gotten any where.

 

[hunterjumper67]

Since she will go to the academy prep school, she is basically guaranteed an appointment as long as she does what she is supposed to do, does decent in her classes and stays out of trouble.


Congratulations on your DD!!



-USAFA Prep School class of 2008

Thank you. She was ecstatic when she received the news. That would be awesome!!!! So SAT doesn't count? Should she at least start the process of re-applying for a nomination? She received one last year but her SATs just were not high enough for USAFA. Or is the nomination part of what she does while she is there? Now she is not there as a recuited athlete or anything. That is great news, thank you for sharing that. I was under the impression that she would be better prepared to re-apply but didn't get the impression that there were any guarantees. Thanks again. I am absolutely not worried that she will give it everything she's got. She has been working for this very hard as it is, I will be surprised if she messed it up by getting in trouble.

 

[flyerdreamer]

I don't know the answer! thought the USAFA P School had its own nominations, but apparently I am confused... according to this link. it's a few years old. I don't remember seeing this with the paperwork we got a couple of weeks ago. Yikes. Does anyone know the answer?

http://www.usafa.edu/superintendent/pl/Incoming/NominationGuide.pdf

DD and DS are presidentials (Dad is retired mil) but those are limited to only 100 slots a year so w were always competing for congressional, too.

As for SAT/ACT retakes, the brochure we got is unclear as to whether these are retaken. Any former Preppies around to answer for us?

 

[hunterjumper67]

I don't know the answer! thought the USAFA P School had its own nominations, but apparently I am confused... according to this link. it's a few years old. I don't remember seeing this with the paperwork we got a couple of weeks ago. Yikes. Does anyone know the answer?

http://www.usafa.edu/superintendent/pl/Incoming/NominationGuide.pdf

DD and DS are presidentials (Dad is retired mil) but those are limited to only 100 slots a year so w were always competing for congressional, too.

As for SAT/ACT retakes, the brochure we got is unclear as to whether these are retaken. Any former Preppies around to answer for us?

Yeah, didn't have this in the paperwork either. I guess maybe have all the needed documentation readily available. My thing is that I would tell DD to proceed and apply but that seems hardly fair to the other kids that need a nomination if the prep school cadets don't need one. However, I bet most of the just graduated preps are currently in BCT at the USAFA, so we will not hear from them anytime soon. And I think the enlisted guys/girls probably don't need one, I think they have their commander's so they probably don't have the answers either. Kind of difficult because in the link you posted it clearly says to get it before they leave for prepschool.

 

[flyerdreamer]

I bet most of the just graduated preps are currently in BCT at the USAFA, so we will not hear from them anytime soon. And I think the enlisted guys/girls probably don't need one, I think they have their commander's so they probably don't have the answers either. Kind of difficult because in the link you posted it clearly says to get it before they leave for prepschool.

There are supposedly a lot of knowledgable folks here on the forums. Too bad no one can help us with Prep School questions.

 

[SCcandidate2015]

Yesssssssss app re-opened for last year's applicants today.

 

[LongAgoPlebe]

SOP while a prep is to retake ACT and/or SAT during the prep year and to apply for all nominations for which one is eligible. The reality is, as a prepster, the appointment is theirs to lose. If grades, PFT/CFT scores, military etc. are all satisfactory (e.g. "SAT," different than the SAT standardized test) and a nomination is not forthcoming, the supe has a certain allotment s/he can use to complete the qualified prepster's application, in compliance with Title X U.S.C.

 

[Blackbird]

There are supposedly a lot of knowledgable folks here on the forums. Too bad no one can help us with Prep School questions.

I hear your frustration but that's just a bit harsh. There are knowledgeable folks here. Yes, both Falcon Preps and USAFA Prep School cadets must have a nomination for admission to the Academy.

If you carefully check your Appointee Package you will find the answer regarding the Prep School. The Academy Admissions Statement of Understanding Memo on page 12 requires that Prep School Cadet Candidates sign that they understand that they will be evaluated by USAFA Admissions on if they applied for nominations as quoted below:

"3.1. Did the candidate apply for a nomination? (Write to both Senators, the Representative from their Congressional
district, and the Vice-President."

 

[Pima]

My thing is that I would tell DD to proceed and apply but that seems hardly fair to the other kids that need a nomination if the prep school cadets don't need one.

Prep school cadets need a nom too.

Look at it this way, every cadet at the AFA is charged to a source regardless of their background. There is no prep school nominating source, thus they need to get one. That is how the system works, without a nom, you have no source to be charged, no nom = no apptmt.

Prep or SA it holds true.

flyerdreamer,

I am sorry you feel this way. Flieger who is a mod here, an ALO in the real world and AFAD, will tell you he was a prepster who was commissioned at the AFA.

I am sure if he knew, what appears to be frustration, on your part he would respond. However, like you, me and everyone else we hit that topic which interests us the most. This thread is called the reapplying club, and not prep club.

Please understand this is not meant antagonistically at all. It is meant to explain how to get your ultimate desire, which would be guidance for prepster.

JMPO, but I think you can help a lot of posters/lurkers on this forum if you posted every question you need answered on the Prep thread.

There is no such thing as a stupid question, there are only stupid people who never ask questions!

Again, I am sorry you feel this way.

I have limited knowledge regarding the Prep school situation. Here is what I know.

1. Prep exists because the candidate has the overall package, yet is lacking academically. Thus, they want them to go this route to build a better academic foundation, which in turn means higher success chances at the academy.

In other words..if you have a 33 ACT, 3.85 uwgpa, 9 APS, Prep will not be offered to you. Academically you are competitive, it is something else in your WCS that is lacking to win the nom.

2. Prepsters traditionally if they want it after that yr have a higher % appointment rate than HS candidates.

IMPO, this is probably due to the fact that they survived the life for a yr, and transitioning over will be easier for them than a HS candidate. JMPO.

3. MOC's will see you are a prepster, and that will be placed into their equation.

If you made their slate last yr (even prepsters need noms), and the AFA placed you into their system, it signals to them you deserve to get that nom.

4. Prep mimics the SA system, hence the reason it is called Prep. You can't expect to attend prep and live a life different than the SA. If dinner is at 6, it is at 6, not 4 because you are hungry.

I make no bones about the fact that I don't know Prep, I am just saying that after 3+ yrs, the points I made are common facts. If there is a question regarding prep that I didn't cover than again contact Flieger.

This would be what I would do; create a post on prep school Forums. Titled AFA Prep question.

I would than PM Flieger and ask him to chime in. He is not only the best resource out there in this matter, but he truly cares about every candidate and wants the best for the AF.

 

[flyerdreamer]

I hear your frustration but that's just a bit harsh.

Blackbird, what are you talking about--harsh? I just voiced my sadness to hunterjumper that the questions we'd been tossing about the past few weeks weren't able to be answered. Why do all of you on the forums take everything so negatively? There was nothing negative intended? Sheesh.

 

[flyerdreamer]

I am sorry you feel this way.
Again, I am sorry you feel this way.

OMG. I'm just having a conversation with another parent. We just want to know what kind of nomination the prep schoolers must obtain. the info we have obtained isn't as simple as it may appear, and the info we were given IS NOT clear. I can't believe you guys think I am criticizing. Please, relax.

 

[flyerdreamer]

I would than PM Flieger and ask him to chime in. He is not only the best resource out there in this matter, but he truly cares about every candidate and wants the best for the AF.

Thank you. I will do that right now.

 

[flieger83]

Hey all!

RELAX!

Sorry to be "late to the party!" I've been taking care of a bunch of "last minute" good things...like one of my prior applicants/candidates from 2009 just getting selected (last week) to attend the Prep School!!! I had to call congratulating him, and then the teachers and counselors at his HS that were crushed when he didn't get anything several years ago, etc...etc...

And then yesterday, with the sunny AZ temp at a balmy 109...there was a fire at the power substation, the transformers exploded...and we had no power until midnight!!!

So I'm a little slow on the uptake today!

I've sent a reply to the question. But it'd probably be good of me to post it here as well.

Basically...regarding nominations. I called USAFA PS this afternoon and spoke with the Admin Chief. His words, summarized, were: "Sir...the students still must seek a nomination. We'll start to pester them in September about getting on this. Also, the USAFA Admissions folks will come over to brief them and will also pester them about this! The letters of teachers, etc., we'll take care of here with our instructors, the students just need to focus on the nomination."

He said the school was VERY excited about the incoming class...said it was a VERY talented bunch and everyone was waiting for them to arrive!

Steve
USAFA ALO
USAFA '83

No problems!!!

Steve
USAFA ALO
USAFA '83

 

[flyerdreamer]

Hey all!

RELAX!

Amen, brutha!

Sorry to be "late to the party!" I've been taking care of a bunch of "last minute" good things...like one of my prior applicants/candidates from 2009 just getting selected (last week) to attend the Prep School!!! I had to call congratulating him, and then the teachers and counselors at his HS that were crushed when he didn't get anything several years ago, etc...etc...

That is AWESOME news!! One of the priors posted a link somewhere on these forums but like heck if I'll be able to find it but if your applicant does Facebook tell him about 25 or so of the incoming class are in a group. He can search for Air Force Academy Prep School class of 2012" I think and it will come up...

I've sent a reply to the question. But it'd probably be good of me to post it here as well.

Yes, you did, and I thank you, grad to grad, and as a parent stumbling around on these forums.

After all the hoo-hah I seem to have caused, turns out my kids knew this answer last week. As always, I am behind the(ir) power curve!