Time to Float the Idea of Liberty for the Mids

I get it. Life sucks today but guess what? Life as you know it will change in four years no matter how you handle this experience. My recommendation as a retired Senior Chief with Navy fleet and Marine FMF and HQ and instructor experience is to stop your whiny a$$ cry baby-ness and oh, by the way, tell your parents to stop as well

Thanks Doc for a your candor , it's refreshing and necessary. Yes, things suck across the board--but they could be worse. I expect more from Midshipmen -- this is not Corporate America (where employees are facing their own morale and mental health issues), but Midshipman are expected to be leaders within the Brigade , and "not buying into the plan" is not acceptable. Leadership goes both ways...if there is a better way, pass it up the Chain of Command, but when the Superintendent /'Dant issue an instruction, it's the Midshipman leadership's job to give a hearty aye aye and carry it out.
 
Capt. Mike Desmond spent 207 consecutive days at sea this year, which is believed to be a modern U.S. record, he said.

 
Leadership goes both ways...if there is a better way, pass it up the Chain of Command, but when the Superintendent /'Dant issue an instruction, it's the Midshipman leadership's job to give a hearty aye aye and carry it out.

^^^ THIS ^^^

In the corporate business world, where I’ve spent the last quarter century, there’s a simple notion called “80% agreement, 100% commitment.”

As practiced, we all discuss the issue and possible solutions. As the leader, it’s incumbent on me to give every idea a fair hearing and to solicit them from everyone willing to share one. In turn, team members are obligated to fully air their ideas and concerns.

Then, after a predetermined amount of discussion, a decision must be made. As the leader, that decision is mine — I own it and am accountable for the outcomes. If it fails, I will take the fall. Based on the input I received, along with my own perspective, I decide.

We may have entered the discussion with 80% agreement. We may have exited with 80% agreement. But once the decision is done, we must have 100% commitment from everyone. No matter where you fell in the debate, go out and execute. If you’re not willing to do so, you’re welcome to leave.

Now, the mids aren’t involved in every discussion that affects them. But they’ve bought into the system, whether they know it or not. And at some point, they’ll be the ones making decisions. When that time comes, at whatever level whether at USNA or on AD, they’ll expect 100% commitment to the plan. Anything less would be unacceptable.
 
The Capital had a pretty good article about morale today.


I think the reporter Heather did a good job at capturing the general sentiment of the Brigade at this moment.
 
The Capital had a pretty good article about morale today.


I think the reporter Heather did a good job at capturing the general sentiment of the Brigade at this moment.

That whole article seems a little off to me.

My son deleted yodel. I wonder how much of this is fueled by parents, and how much anonymity allows exaggerated feelings. I also wonder how much is political. It seems to me politics has infested everything.
 
That whole article seems a little off to me.

My son deleted yodel. I wonder how much of this is fueled by parents, and how much anonymity allows exaggerated feelings. I also wonder how much is political. It seems to me politics has infested everything.

Within the Brigade, politics has nothing to do with it. Though I know in the outside world politics is governing how a lot of people think and talk about the pandemic. Jodel is definitely an echo chamber and is not necessarily representative of the whole Brigade. I’d guess less than half of the Brigade are active users. And most mids are coping reasonably well, but the exceptions are always the cases that will get the most attention.
 
That whole article seems a little off to me.

My son deleted yodel. I wonder how much of this is fueled by parents, and how much anonymity allows exaggerated feelings. I also wonder how much is political. It seems to me politics has infested everything.
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Turn the channel off ... throw away your TV. Even WaPo has gone to birdcage rag reporting. Some of it is thorough ... while most of it has gone leaning. It is to be expected. Bezos is running a big business.
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The leadership has brought in activities for the weekend. There's a bar for those allowed to drink (different brigades can go on different nights), there was a fun "obstacle course" that my plebe's company did Saturday morning. Monday there will be food trucks. Last week there was a flyover by 2 F18's. Each company can decide how to watch the football game Monday night (as a company, squad, room, etc). This is a welcome change from being locked on the yard with nothing to do. My DS sounded much better this weekend than last weekend.
 
Real question, I’m curious: what do y’all (Mids) see as they answer’? Liberty? Do y’all feel like getting that back solves the moral issue? If not, then what?

I’m a mom, waiting for normal. I also wonder if we will ever have ‘normal’ again,,,
 
Real question, I’m curious: what do y’all (Mids) see as they answer’? Liberty? Do y’all feel like getting that back solves the moral issue? If not, then what?

Nope. Liberty isn’t a solution, really. It will be contingent on a bunch of rules just as everything else on the yard (rightfully) is. I think things will look down here until we return to normalcy.

Some companies are handling this much better than others. It seems as though more companies and mids are doing better this week. It’s a function of company staff trying to organize fun stuff to do on the yard, while also breaking their backs to get around covid restrictions.
 
My guess is that in some companies, leadership is stepping up better than in other companies. And by that, I mean midshipmen leadership. It’s on them! When life gives you lemons...
 
At USMMA morale has improved since alumni and parents have started working to make life a bit more bearable, even though mids are still restricted to the academy grounds. The alumni association has arranged a concert series, bringing in a new cover band every weekend for the fall season. The mids are allowed to dance and have a relatively normal experience. The national parents association hosted a terrific bar-be-que for the mids this weekend and I hear the food was great. There were fun activities and competitions between companies. I saw lots of photos with mids actually SMILING for the first time in a long while. These events have given the mids something to look forward to the way they used to be able to look forward to weekend liberty. Something similar might help improve morale at USNA.
 
You make a fair point. What some of us are trying to understand is how folks who can’t handle this situation for a few weeks to a few months in Annapolis will ever handle deployment, let alone worse situations that the military often faces. Good natured griping is normal and expected. Those who really can’t handle this may need to rethink their career path. And I mean that in all seriousness.
 
it seems a lot on this string are debating whether Mids should be having issues with the current situation and are ignoring the fact that many are having issues. whether you believe they are valid doesnt change anything.

Someone else here mentioned a while back, and I paraphrase: Situations such as this don’t create mental health issues, they reveal them.

To be sure, there are mids who are bummed out, disappointed, down, sad, angry, bitter, etc. All to be expected in such a time. But the mids are not in a genuinely adverse situation: They are free to move about the Yard, have access to three square meals a day and fitness opportunities, face their usual duties and more, have classes and homework and clubs, and are still getting in relative terms a better academic experience than at least 95% of college students, and it’s not costing them or their parents a dime. And they are surrounded by a support system — 4400 shipmates along with chaplains, senior enlisted, officers — that can probably be rivaled only by other SAs. Frankly, compared to being on deployment, the past few months are a significant departure from the norm but hardly punishing.

I’m no mental health expert. But it strikes me that anyone harboring serious mental health issues to the point of contemplating suicide already has those issues to begin with, which are now being revealed amid the unprecedented circumstances. Better to know now, in these relatively benign conditions, than on deployment while charged with the lives and welfare of sailors and Marines who are counting on them to lead amid adversity. But I don’t believe the unprecedented circumstances are actually the root cause of their issues. Again, layman’s view, though not one that’s wholly naive or uninformed.

Some are pointing to the two suicides last spring at USAFA. They were tragic and devastating, so close to graduation. But I have yet to see any evidence that these were caused by USAFA going into isolation. Correlation and causation are not the same thing. What I don’t know — what I’m not sure anyone knows other than their families — is what else was going on in their lives that contributed to their decision to end their pain. To say that USAFA’s quarantine caused or even contributed to the suicides, without knowing the real facts first-hand, is beyond irresponsible. (And no, knowing a cadet who was there who said such and such does not count.)

I do know this: All the parental hand-wringing on FB doesn’t hep. And neither does the mid *****ing on Yodel, or whatever it’s called. Everyone’s life sucks right now, to one degree or another. This much we know: Many new aspects of mid life are compulsory — attending USNA is not.
 
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I’m not a doctor, but it seems to me that kids today are more in touch with their emotions and are more willing to share them. There are also MANY more avenues to express their concerns then back in the day. It does not, necessarily, mean that because we HEAR what they are thinking that their thoughts are any different, or that they are any less prepared for a naval career, than past generations. It could be we are just hearing more.
Or...it could mean that kids being selected today are more entitled and less willing to put up with annoyances and ARE less suited for the fleet. 🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️
 
Leave it to Midshipman ingenuity ! Seeing things like that reinforces my belief that no matter the circumstances, at least some things haven't changed. One has to have a somewhat twisted sense of humor to survive at USNA.
And it does have an underlying dark irony. As old hands know, normally Tecumseh is dressed to the nines in seasonal attire, occasionally with accessories. A ratty mask seems starkly appropriate. Of course, some counseling is in order for Tecumseh, as he is not covering his nose.
 
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