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From an up and coming 1/C Mid, congratulations if you have been admitted, and good luck to those who are on hold!

Before you fully commit to KP, just make sure you know how miserable it will be when you get here. Service academies "suck to be at" but it's even worse amidst a pandemic. Seriously, with lockdowns and restricted access to things that normally alleviate a lot of stress, it makes this place so bleak and hopeless than it normally is.
Be prepared for Zoom classes with bad teachers and minimal learning. Be prepared to be unable to leave campus for long stretches (and to be the punching bag of cranky seniors who can't leave). Be prepared to deal with inconsistent leadership mixed with politics. Be prepared to be more miserable than usual.
It can still be a great opportunity to come here, but just know that during the pandemic, life sucks worse than it usually does. Don't come here blindly and expect a well balanced academy experience. Expect at worst to be treated like a prisoner often. Keep this in mind when applying/committing to here.

Good luck!
Your fellow Texan
 
Truly appreciate your honesty! TWE from USMA had my normally pretty positive kid feeling super defeated, I don't think he was expecting Plan B to have to happen but now he is actually pretty excited about it and ROTC is looking better and better every day! Hang in there, this pandemic can't last forever!
 
My DS (USNA youngster) said recently that if he knew it was going to be like this (no summer training, cancelled sports, month-long ROM, all-virtual classes, no access to weight room, no liberty at all, etc) he would have accepted his NROTC scholarship and attend our state school -no doubt whatsoever. He’s going to stick it out but the suck is really bad right now and the cynicism amongst the mids hangs heavy. There are fresh scars that I’m not sure leadership fully appreciates will be difficult to heal. It remains to be seen if things will return to a more normal suck but I think the SA experience of the last year is anomalous and should not be considered what the next classes will experience
 
My DS (USNA youngster) said recently that if he knew it was going to be like this (no summer training, cancelled sports, month-long ROM, all-virtual classes, no access to weight room, no liberty at all, etc) he would have accepted his NROTC scholarship and attend our state school -no doubt whatsoever. He’s going to stick it out but the suck is really bad right now and the cynicism amongst the mids hangs heavy. There are fresh scars that I’m not sure leadership fully appreciates will be difficult to heal. It remains to be seen if things will return to a more normal suck but I think the SA experience of the last year is anomalous and should not be considered what the next classes will experience
Same here, except I'm in too deep now. If I knew a pandemic like this would affect academies so harshly, then I would accept an NROTC scholarship in a heartbeat. During pandemic times, it almost seems like the new "golden ticket."

Hope your DS toughs it out; it will be very interesting to see how graduates will fare post-graduation.
 
Things have GOT to start looking up ANY DAY! Unbelievable the effect this has had on absolutely everyone. No one is immune to the Covid carnage. Lives have been altered and changed forever. Lives have been lost. Lives have been affected.
 
From an up and coming 1/C Mid, congratulations if you have been admitted, and good luck to those who are on hold!

Before you fully commit to KP, just make sure you know how miserable it will be when you get here. Service academies "suck to be at" but it's even worse amidst a pandemic. Seriously, with lockdowns and restricted access to things that normally alleviate a lot of stress, it makes this place so bleak and hopeless than it normally is.
Be prepared for Zoom classes with bad teachers and minimal learning. Be prepared to be unable to leave campus for long stretches (and to be the punching bag of cranky seniors who can't leave). Be prepared to deal with inconsistent leadership mixed with politics. Be prepared to be more miserable than usual.
It can still be a great opportunity to come here, but just know that during the pandemic, life sucks worse than it usually does. Don't come here blindly and expect a well balanced academy experience. Expect at worst to be treated like a prisoner often. Keep this in mind when applying/committing to here.

Good luck!
Your fellow Texan
Oh my goodness.. That sounds just awful!
 
From an up and coming 1/C Mid, congratulations if you have been admitted, and good luck to those who are on hold!

Before you fully commit to KP, just make sure you know how miserable it will be when you get here. Service academies "suck to be at" but it's even worse amidst a pandemic. Seriously, with lockdowns and restricted access to things that normally alleviate a lot of stress, it makes this place so bleak and hopeless than it normally is.
Be prepared for Zoom classes with bad teachers and minimal learning. Be prepared to be unable to leave campus for long stretches (and to be the punching bag of cranky seniors who can't leave). Be prepared to deal with inconsistent leadership mixed with politics. Be prepared to be more miserable than usual.
It can still be a great opportunity to come here, but just know that during the pandemic, life sucks worse than it usually does. Don't come here blindly and expect a well balanced academy experience. Expect at worst to be treated like a prisoner often. Keep this in mind when applying/committing to here.

Good luck!
Your fellow Texan
Thanks for saying it like it is. DS is class of 2025, has NROTC 4yr as back up plan, and in the "hurry up and wait" holding pattern to know if appointed at USMMA, USMA & USNA. We have no academy connections, and few military contacts in order to get a lay of the land in terms of how covid has actually affected Academy life. I've been wondering about this A LOT, and haven't found specific information from those living in and through it. Certainly gives pause in this process to re-evaluate options and variables. Is there any sign that things will be changing for existing students? Knowing what you know, would you make a totally different decision if you were class of 2025, or do you think there will be enough covid easing, that it will return to the typical and "normal suck" levels?
 
Thanks for saying it like it is. DS is class of 2025, has NROTC 4yr as back up plan, and in the "hurry up and wait" holding pattern to know if appointed at USMMA, USMA & USNA. We have no academy connections, and few military contacts in order to get a lay of the land in terms of how covid has actually affected Academy life. I've been wondering about this A LOT, and haven't found specific information from those living in and through it. Certainly gives pause in this process to re-evaluate options and variables. Is there any sign that things will be changing for existing students? Knowing what you know, would you make a totally different decision if you were class of 2025, or do you think there will be enough covid easing, that it will return to the typical and "normal suck" levels?

1. "Is there any sign that things will be changing for existing students?"

Yes, there are some indicators but a lot of it is a BIG waiting game. A major part of sea year is meeting a minimum amount of sea days. In order to get sea days, you need to get access to a ship. There may soon be a requirement by many shipping companies to have cadets be vaccinated against covid. This raises a lot of questions that KP just can't thoroughly address at this time. But there is some progress. At this time, the Academy appears to be getting a fair amount of vaccines (if I recall correctly, 500 of Moderna), and this will certainly help the situation for those who voluntarily receive the vaccine. But there does not seem to be a long-term plan for future procurements of the vaccines for future classes for those who voluntarily receive it, or in general for those who choose not to receive it. It is still a work in progress.
At this time, zoom classes while on campus will continue until further notice. The same goes for being stuck on campus for the long haul. This could possibly change depending on the effects of many mids getting vaccinated, but this remains to be seen. Some morale is being boosted by having dedicated wi-fi servers for entertainment, while the parents association and alumni association continue their amazing support to help keep us afloat.



2. Knowing what you know, would you make a totally different decision if you were class of 2025, or do you think there will be enough covid easing, that it will return to the typical and "normal suck" levels?

Before I came, I wanted KP, even over other academies. I dreamed of going to any academy from a very young age, but KP appealed to me the most as I got into high school with its wide variety of opportunities that no other academy can match. NMMI definitely prepared me for the most miserable aspects too, so you can say I was well prepared.

Having said that, if I had known KP would be this miserable as an incoming freshman, I don't think I would attend. The biggest reason is because of grades. The strict and archaic academic standards here are no joke, but zoom classes on campus makes this even worse. This is a terrible situation for students who already have an uphill battle with academics at the academy that shows little mercy. Consider the current plebe class of 2024 which is being experimented on HEAVILY. They had record high academic issues in the first tri. And they're subject to a new curriculum that is even more fast paced than before. I don't think I would make it as a plebe now, especially if I was on the border about attending. Students now are being offered compassionate setbacks if attendance during covid proves to be too much of a burden. Interestingly, this is heavily encouraged by the staff here at KP, but it is only a band-aid solution. What if the situation doesn't get better by next year? What if they get worse? How does that affect admissions for upcoming classes? As long as classes are primarily run on zoom the way they are now, don't expect much improvement. Instead of fighting every day just to attend the academy, I would probably choose to attend any other college.
Other reasons include morale. Without going into the dark details, KP has been a very tense and toxic environment for mids, and especially for plebes. Being a plebe was hard enough during my time, but they seem to get treated significantly less fairly, with their cadre (and some staff) pushing them around whenever it is convenient for them. The academy is no longer a place for officers-in-training to learn and grow, it's just a place for maintaining a minimal standard to be able to still operate. The interests of the students who attend aren't often prioritized, and that's just the way it is.

The nice flyers and brochures provided by the academy don't show the dark side that students deal with now. The long-term earned opportunities here still exist. But they can also be earned elsewhere without giving up a disproportionate amount of freedoms. One could arguably have a better experience elsewhere and maintain a healthier life.
 
Your honest and brutal testimony are welcomed. Our son is a 2024 at USNA and the plebe world is always crap. He knew that going in.
The reality of plebe life during Covid is a whole alternate reality.
The end game matters. For our son the leadership and exposure to those in the fleet are beyond what was expected.
This too shall pass.
 
Your honest and brutal testimony are welcomed. Our son is a 2024 at USNA and the plebe world is always crap. He knew that going in.
The reality of plebe life during Covid is a whole alternate reality.
The end game matters. For our son the leadership and exposure to those in the fleet are beyond what was expected.
This too shall pass.
Can you elaborate more on the leadership and exposure to the fleet, and the impact they made? Maybe we could learn a thing or 2 from our big brother Annapolis. :thumb:
 
Can you elaborate more on the leadership and exposure to the fleet, and the impact they made? Maybe we could learn a thing or 2 from our big brother Annapolis. :thumb:
I’m curious.. Where did you do your cadet time? What was that like and has that experience had any influence on your decision to stick it out at Kings Point?
 
If you're looking for angst, talk to those whose sea term was screwed up by the stand down, a politically motivated act to enhance the careers of a chosen few.
The other maritime schools are suffering too...no summer sea term last year so seniors are behind with a cascade effect for the 2 classes behind pushing grad back to august for the next 3 years...
 
Can you elaborate more on the leadership and exposure to the fleet, and the impact they made? Maybe we could learn a thing or 2 from our big brother Annapolis. :thumb:
Our son and other mids have had a lot of opportunities to sit in (virtually for most) with lots of different people. From astronauts (one meeting from space, one after return to Earth), Jocko, Marcus Luttrell and too many others whose names I can’t recall but who impressed our DS and his roomies. I do remember they also had a meeting with the head of the Artemis mission. I think some of this is via leadership, and I believe some has been set up via some of his instructors.
He has mentioned that instructors and academic advisors have been checking in with them during this really long are ROM and continue to offer counsel in terms of major selection, future service selection and glimpses into life in the fleet.
 
The other maritime schools are suffering too...no summer sea term last year so seniors are behind with a cascade effect for the 2 classes behind pushing grad back to august for the next 3 years...
I have a good idea what the state maritime cadets are thinking. Will we get sea term this summer? What if I'm not vaccinated? What if someone on my assigned ship gets COVID? What if my state government cancels sea term? Will the job market be worse? Is licensure affected? We already paid for the wedding and who knows where I'll be. The KP experience was of indeterminate length with no valid cause and controlled by those with a specific agenda and no connection to the institution. Not to say "worse" but to express my best wishes to the state cadets and hope they all get their required time this summer.
 
I know for a fact that all the California Schoolship cadets were recently vaccinated.. As I recall, they all got the Johnson&Johnson one shot vaccine.. They're all back to having 'in person' classes too. Whether there will be a cruise this Summer has still yet to be determined.. It's tentatively scheduled to start at the end of May.
 
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