Transfer of Scholarship

I def. would check with the bursar of Financial Aid.

I can tell you that my kids scholarships from colleges always said UP TO. DS in 08 had @100K from UMiami. It stated UP TO 24K per yr.

Had he attended UMiami, and that was their program, with his AFROTC scholarship, they would have had to cut him a check for about 14K the 1st yr.

Hence, my question can we say Car? He would have in the end, had probably close to 35K he could have pocketed... every yr college goes up @ 10%. He went to a different college. It was 28K when he started, 41K when he graduated. He graduated in 4 yrs.
 
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I def. would check with the bursar of Financial Aid.

I can tell you that my kids scholarships from colleges always said UP TO. DS in 08 had @100K from UMiami. It stated UP TO 24K per yr.

Had he attended UMiami, and that was their program, with his AFROTC scholarship, they would have had to cut him a check for about 14K the 1st yr.

Hence, my question can we say Car? He would have in the end, had probably close to 35K he could have pocketed... every yr college goes up @ 10%. He went to a different college. It was 28K when he started, 41K when he graduated. He graduated in 4 yrs.
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Haha, cars for all would be very nice! Something tells me that they'll find a way to not cut a check each year. Didn't even think about how the price increases each year, just wait until the nation's college debt bubble bursts. Yikes!
 
DPod,

Hence why they usually stipulate UP TO X amount. It is usually in that fine print. I still have all of my kids stuff (scrapbooking), and the majority of them state Congrats...we would like to offer you X amount in merit. Somewhere in the body is the contact person to accept. That is usually where the fine print becomes apparent.

They put all of the merit together that you have received.

Yes, most economists state that the college loan default debt will make the housing market bubble or the tech bubble look like a blip. Currently, from everything I have read 25% of all recent grads have taken part time jobs and boomeranged back home with the folks. There is only a 6 month grace period before the 1st pmt is due.

I don't recall the amount, but I believe it is Trillions in student loans.

IMPO, kids and parents look at what they charge this yr when they apply for admissions, but don't place into account that is not going to be the cost next yr when they get the bill.

Yesterdays job reports does not bode well for the class of 13 college kids. It was @100K below the guesstimate. They are saying sequestration is a factor. They were expecting @187K jobs added, they got 88K. Imagine 2 months from now when sequestration is in full swing, and kids are graduating. Imagine now that sequestration does not end until Oct 1st. Their 1st loan payment will be due Nov 1st-15th. It is not going to be pretty.
 
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Pima said:
Not saying it can't happen, just saying as a taxpayer, with a child that is an O1, and was a spouse of an ADAF officer, now retired for 20+ yrs, to me, if AROTC is doing this, and not the college merit money being cut, I would consider this FRAUD, WASTE and ABUSE.

If I was a parent at the college, I would also consider this FRAUD, WASTE and ABUSE. It makes no sense to me that they would lessen their endowment for every student that has more merit money than the school costs. A free ride is one thing, paying them several thousand to attend is different.
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I fully agree with that Pima!
 
If you're saying you can use any and all of the $21,000 from St. John's for room and board, those costs could soak up a very large portion of it. Depending on the dormitory and meal plan, it could cost $13-$17 k. Freshmen are required to participate in a specific meal plan, which runs about $5,700 this year, while R&B could range between $7,600 and $11,600 for on campus housing (higher for some off campus but freshmen may be required to live on).

If you get to keep the difference between that cost and the $21,000, that would probably be taxable too but still much better than you having to shell out. (N.B.:not an accountant - only play one on the internets).
 
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The 21k i'm referring to is the "Academic Excellence Scholarship" the school awarded me, not uncle sam's money. The ROTC would pay tuition and fees and then the school's 21k would go towards room and board, and then they'd cut a check for the leftovers of the school's 21k. I should definitely double-check with the bursar on it though.
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I hate to burst your bubble but I found this on the St. John's site.

The University reserves the right to adjust any University grant or scholarship due to receipt of non-University aid. In addition, the combination of external grants and scholarships (funded by state, federal and/or private sources) along with financial assistance from St. John’s may not exceed the cost of full tuition.
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This certainly looks like you only get the St. John's money if you use it for tuition. That would match up with every scholarship offer my son received. They all say that they can only be used for tuition. Other than the ROTC scholarship, only a few of the smaller private scholarships that he applied for could even be used for other things like fees or room and board.

I hope I am wrong but I wouldn't shop for the car just yet.
 
The following may add to the confusion. It is on the GoArmy.com/ROTC/find-schools page.


"This school [St. John's] offers the following additional incentives to students taking Army ROTC :

In addition to ROTC Scholarship benefits, Saint John's University (New York) currently provides multiple ROTC Scholarship recipients with free room and board which can total up to $10,000 per student.

Access to outstanding fitness centers at multiple campuses."

I look forward to your sharing what you find out.
 
Haha, I really wonder what is going to happen with the rest of it. Guess I've gotta go digging for some info on monday! I have a feeling they'll pay for the room and board and rotc will pay for tuition and they'll give someone else my 21k. Not that I'm complaining about having school completely paid for.
 
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To sum it up, I'd say you have several calls to make Monday:
1) St. John's Financial Aid office - Let them know you have an AROTC scholarship. Ask if the R&B option EDelahanty mentioned from the GoArmy.com site is still in effect and what determines who gets it.

2) Call Cadet Command and ask the details about transferring the scholarship to confirm whether you requesting a transfer automatically rescinds your existing scholarship regardless of the outcome of the transfer. I brought this subject up because CC gives this option primarily for those who didn't get admitted to their awarded school(s) (happens a lot with highly competitive schools).

The most important thing here is that your financial backers (i.e. your parents) have a full understanding of what they are getting you into.

As to the situation with your St. John's award, I suspect as others have written, it probably isn't going to stick around once you contract - remember that you don't get that AROTC scholarship until you pass DoDMERB, fill out all your paperwork and pass the APFT - not a gimme considering the possibility of injury and illness in the time between now and when you take your APFT.

That being said, going to St. Johns for the price of R&B (after year 1 where you pay ~15K + R&B) is not a bad deal. GW is great if you can get it, but don't throw away a great deal rolling the dice on a home run.

BTW, when you fill out your FAFSA (don't remember if St. Johns requires other forms beyond that were you DO declare your ARTOC scholarship and book award - hint - the stipend doesn't see the bursar's office and is not declarable income for tax purposes), you are not required to declare your AROTC scholarship, stipend, or book allowance on FAFSA. For purposes of FEDERAL financial aid, AROTC scholarships are NOT considered FA. There are several threads with links to the official government documents describing this situation.
 
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Just two quick questions:

1.) I wrote the letter requesting the transfer (it's a full page). I mentioned how GW would increase my value as an asset to the army, how its a high quality education that prepares students for grad school, etc. Should I mention that after student aid, GW is more affordable for us to pay for the first year since it's a 3 year ad?

2.) In my GW Acceptance letter it says that I have been admitted to GW and mentions the "Columbian College of Arts and Sciences", but I got it changed to Elliot School of Int. Affairs. Should I attach a Post it to clarify this since I need to submit my letter of acceptance to gw with the request?

Thank you, planning on overnight fedexing it tomorrow so long as cadet command confirms that I wont lose the St. john's scholarship should my transfer request be denied.
 
DPod said:
Just two quick questions:

1.) I wrote the letter requesting the transfer (it's a full page). I mentioned how GW would increase my value as an asset to the army, how its a high quality education that prepares students for grad school, etc. Should I mention that after student aid, GW is more affordable for us to pay for the first year since it's a 3 year ad?

2.) In my GW Acceptance letter it says that I have been admitted to GW and mentions the "Columbian College of Arts and Sciences", but I got it changed to Elliot School of Int. Affairs. Should I attach a Post it to clarify this since I need to submit my letter of acceptance to gw with the request?

Thank you, planning on overnight fedexing it tomorrow so long as cadet command confirms that I wont lose the St. john's scholarship should my transfer request be denied.
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1.) If you do, be extremely careful how you word it. I was originally going to talk about something similar to what you put - but found myself contradicting myself (Also have a 3-year). Or, you could always just leave that out.

2.) I would recommend doing so, just so there is no chance of confusion between you and CC.

I would also recommend copying/scanning all of your documents and emailing them to CC - just in case FedEx "somehow" loses your documents.

Best of luck!
 
Does anyone have any experience with late scholarship transfer requests? Deadline for transfer request was yesterday (4/12) but is it likely Cadet Command would make an exemption at the request of a PMS if both the receiving school and ROTC scholarship winner wanted it? I'd think typically, deadlines are deadlines as far as the military goes, but PMS seemed to think he could make it work if my DS wanted to switch. Just wondering if anyone else has had a similar experience?
 
From what I was told, the ultimate decision lies with CC - the Bn cadre can say a few good words, but at the end of the day CC makes the decision.

Also, transferring scholarships can also be a bit tricky when comes to transferring between brigades.

I'm waiting for a response from CC on my request - hope it goes through!
 
Thanks, I'm not sure whether the two schools are in the same Brigade or not, definitely will check that. Mainly, since we were past the transfer request date (and did not request the transfer yet) wasn't sure how much "pull" the PMS would have with CC. PMS told my DS he didn't think it would be a problem making the request next week if he decided what he wanted to transfer it after thinking about it this weekend.
 
Well, I shall heed to the advisement of the PMS then.

Best of luck!
 
Blackbelt890 said:
Does anyone have any experience with late scholarship transfer requests? Deadline for transfer request was yesterday (4/12) but is it likely Cadet Command would make an exemption at the request of a PMS if both the receiving school and ROTC scholarship winner wanted it? I'd think typically, deadlines are deadlines as far as the military goes, but PMS seemed to think he could make it work if my DS wanted to switch. Just wondering if anyone else has had a similar experience?
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Late transfers have been approved in instances where a factor in the original decision changed. For instance, a student being moved from the wait list to the accepted list.
 
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