USMMA over the other Academy's

bwelch1

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My DS got accepted into the USMMA a little over a week ago. His back-up plan was a Full Ride (except Room/Board) to OU, but thankfully he got an academy. When he first started prepping for this as a Freshmen, his goal was USNA or USAF. He went to Summer Seminar for both and liked the Navy over the Air Force. They told him to apply for all Academy's including USMMA; first time we heard of it was his Junior year. Now that he's accepted, he's sitting on the edge of his seat for an acceptance one or both of the other 2 to come through. After I looked into and studied the USMMA, I feel; and I told him; that this may be the best of the 3. Let's say he's in the USNA and finds out he doesn't want to spend his career on a ship, he has the option of choosing what branch, if any, he goes into. I also like the location, and think he'll like it also; just expensive to travel back and forth from NY to NW Arkansas.

- Who else thinks the USMMA is the best academy
- Does the pay steer you towards the other academy's
- Does he still have a good chance of being a pilot
- Are there cheap places for parents to stay when visiting the academy?
- What are other pro's and con's?
 
I suggest you reach out to @kpmom2013 , she is an excellent resource for USMMA info and a positive cheerleader. I do think the "which academy is the best" question is a subjective one for each individual candidate, but they obviously all have much to offer. Congratulations on the appointment and good luck to your DS in making his decision!
 
USMMA does give you options, and I feel that pay should not be a factor in the decision, but you get paid pretty well during both sea years.
We went there in Jan., DS liked It and the smaller feel of it all. Good luck..
 
What academy is best is different for different candidates. One of the biggest positives of USMMA is the wide variety of options available upon graduation. For my two Kings Pointers, they were not sure exactly what path they wanted to take at age 17. Choosing KP over other academies allowed them to keep several good options open for as long as possible. Not only does maturity between ages 17 and 21 factor into what is right, but so do politics and world affairs. A lot can change in four years! The other big positive is the opportunity to try out possible future careers while at Kings Point. While other academies give you time over the summers to experience some of your options, Kings Point's Sea YEAR really allows Midshipmen to work in the industry before deciding what is right for them. And having the opportunity to see the world for a year is amazing. My DS saw 22 countries on four different classes of ship plus had a flight internship with the Navy. My DD is at sea right now, discovering Bahrain, learning so much and having a blast. Sea year left them both so mature and gave both a deeper appreciation for the blessings of living in America.

Another positive is location. Being young and having the opportunity to spend weekends in New York City is pretty cool. Certainly no shortage of things to see and do. Yes, hotels are expensive, but we have visited many times and have found really reasonable Air BnB's close to the academy.

You do not get paid all four years at Kings Point like at the DoD academies, but you do get paid during Sea Year, about $1,200 per month. The total cost at USMMA for our 2021 DD will be about $10,000 for four years, so no student loan debt. Also, lots of opportunities to work on the weekends if you choose to after recognition. (My kids have earned thousands of dollars just shoveling snow and raking leaves for wealthy people in Great Neck, catering, valet parking at parties, miscellaneous jobs at country clubs in the area, and more.). After graduation, if you choose to sail on your license, you can become wealthy as you work your way up to Captain or Chief Engineer, not to mention a huge variety of lucrative Whiteside opportunities. Many studies have ranked USMMA as one of the best ROI's for graduates of any university.

The curriculum is different at Kings Point compared to the other four academies. You have a choice of five majors. That's it. But if the subject matter interests you, it will be well worth your time. You cannot beat the hands-on experience you will get in the classrooms at Kings Point (not to mention the experiential learning during Sea Year.) You will develop a real understanding of how an engine works and what really happens on the bridge of a ship. Turns out both my kids are pretty darn good at welding. The hands on aspects will give you a confidence in your own abilities that you just can't get from reading books and listening to lectures. But if you really have your heart set on studying history or government, USMMA is probably not your best choice. You will also not have the prestige of a West Point or Naval Academy degree because few people outside the maritime industry have even heard of USMMA.

Yes, you can become a pilot from USMMA. It is the route our DS took. He had classmates who became Air Force, Coast Guard, Marine Corps, and Navy pilots. He had offers for both Marine Corps and Navy pilot and ultimately selected Navy. No regrets. But if you choose USMMA, you should have at least some interest in a maritime career or you will have a tough (and probably unhappy) four years.

One of the things that has impressed us the most about Kings Point is the alumni network. I have never seen a more tightly knit and supportive group anywhere. My kids have had so many offers of free places to stay and help with transportation and other issues from alumni and classmates all over the country that it is hard to believe. I think it is because Kings Point is a smaller academy and because it has so many challenges to graduate (surviving Sea Year, passing licensing exams, fitting a four year degree into three years on campus) that the mids really share a common bond.

Sorry for the long post, but I tried to answer all your questions. Let me know if there is anything more specific you want to know about and I will try to help. Best wishes for success in your future plans!
 
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When considering her future education, DD's priorities were time management, discipline, "being part of something bigger than myself," the chance to serve a greater good, leadership opportunities, significant responsibility ("I don't want to carry someone's coffee.") and job prospects. For these reasons she applied to several Academies. When asked which one she wanted to attend she told her MOC she didn't know. " You're going to Kings Point for the options." She used 3 1/2 yrs to evaluate ALL the OPTIONS. It is irrelevant to this thread to disclose which one she chose, but I will say she is doing very well and is happy with and proud of her choice of Academy and profession. My best advice is to read kpmom2013 again whenever the chance arises. All I can add is that the education and experiences in the maritime field will prepare one to function in any workplace environment.
 
My DS got accepted into the USMMA a little over a week ago. His back-up plan was a Full Ride (except Room/Board) to OU, but thankfully he got an academy. When he first started prepping for this as a Freshmen, his goal was USNA or USAF. He went to Summer Seminar for both and liked the Navy over the Air Force. They told him to apply for all Academy's including USMMA; first time we heard of it was his Junior year. Now that he's accepted, he's sitting on the edge of his seat for an acceptance one or both of the other 2 to come through. After I looked into and studied the USMMA, I feel; and I told him; that this may be the best of the 3. Let's say he's in the USNA and finds out he doesn't want to spend his career on a ship, he has the option of choosing what branch, if any, he goes into. I also like the location, and think he'll like it also; just expensive to travel back and forth from NY to NW Arkansas.

- Who else thinks the USMMA is the best academy
- Does the pay steer you towards the other academy's
- Does he still have a good chance of being a pilot
- Are there cheap places for parents to stay when visiting the academy?
- What are other pro's and con's?

USMMA is not a military academy. USMMA is a maritime academy with a mandatory ROTC program. USMMA mids are in the DMDC/DEERS/RAPIDS as NROTC. The location doesn't matter as a freshman. It's not a great location either, USNA has a much better location in Annapolis. Great Neck is mostly a village for elderly. It's a sleepy commuter town that peaked in the 1920s. Manhattan is 40 min away by train, but commuting back and forth is only for weekends and its cumbersome.

If he's sitting on the edge for one of the other academies he should go to one of the other academies. But you're wrong on pay. I've been out 9 months now and the money I make blows any active duty O-1 out of the water, even with all allowances/benefits. Looking at active duty pay scales I would imagine I make more money than many active duty O-4's depending on BAH/hazard/years in rank.

The going rate for a 3rd Mate/AE on a Jones Act tanker is in excess of 6 figures annually working roughly half the year.

The active duty retirement is better, but if being a career military officer is your goal, USMMA probably isn't for you.
 
There is a "Needs of the Service(s)" thing that always intrudes, so there's an element of risk in assuming any Pick Your Service option at the end of the road. For example last month there was a thread indicating that this year there were no AD Air Force slots available. It's not clear from the thread what was true or the extent of the issue, but any applicant should be prepared for the possibility that they won't get what they want upon graduation. Can you live with a life at sea or in the industry? That is the goal of this academy, after all.
 
And her mind may well change by the time she gets to graduation. I know that in high school, I was pretty dead set on a military career. . . and tried for the other academies and didn't make the cut. To be honest, by the time Indoc started, my interest in a pure military career had waned and after my first sea year half. . .well, it put my eye on the prize. It is just too bad the Industry went through some monumental changes in the 80s. . .
 
My DS got accepted into the USMMA a little over a week ago. His back-up plan was a Full Ride (except Room/Board) to OU, but thankfully he got an academy. When he first started prepping for this as a Freshmen, his goal was USNA or USAF. He went to Summer Seminar for both and liked the Navy over the Air Force. They told him to apply for all Academy's including USMMA; first time we heard of it was his Junior year. Now that he's accepted, he's sitting on the edge of his seat for an acceptance one or both of the other 2 to come through. After I looked into and studied the USMMA, I feel; and I told him; that this may be the best of the 3. Let's say he's in the USNA and finds out he doesn't want to spend his career on a ship, he has the option of choosing what branch, if any, he goes into. I also like the location, and think he'll like it also; just expensive to travel back and forth from NY to NW Arkansas.

- Who else thinks the USMMA is the best academy
- Does the pay steer you towards the other academy's
- Does he still have a good chance of being a pilot
- Are there cheap places for parents to stay when visiting the academy?
- What are other pro's and con's?
BWELCH, I believe we are from the same area. My daughter was in the same situation as you were. Her #1 was USAFA and she got an LOA from USMMA. It is a great school with a great background. She was gearing herself up to go and got the call from USAFA.

It is great seeing NWA kids going to great places and doing great things!
 
And her mind may well change by the time she gets to graduation. I know that in high school, I was pretty dead set on a military career. . . and tried for the other academies and didn't make the cut. To be honest, by the time Indoc started, my interest in a pure military career had waned and after my first sea year half. . .well, it put my eye on the prize. It is just too bad the Industry went through some monumental changes in the 80s. . .

Captain on my ship has 40 years at sea, over 20 as master on tankers says the military is the better choice now. I agree with him 100%. USMMA is an outdated and obsolete institution to say the least.
 
BWELCH, I believe we are from the same area. My daughter was in the same situation as you were. Her #1 was USAFA and she got an LOA from USMMA. It is a great school with a great background. She was gearing herself up to go and got the call from USAFA.

It is great seeing NWA kids going to great places and doing great things!
That's really Awesome. We know Congressman Womack and the day he got in, Womack called and congratulated him. He would like Navy over anything else, so if it is USMMA, then he's all in.
 
Captain on my ship has 40 years at sea, over 20 as master on tankers says the military is the better choice now. I agree with him 100%. USMMA is an outdated and obsolete institution to say the least.
So you are a graduate of the USMMA? Won't they always have a need for Merchant Captains? It's a top rated school that gives you a choice for a civilian or military career. Can you explain a little more in depth?
 
So you are a graduate of the USMMA? Won't they always have a need for Merchant Captains? It's a top rated school that gives you a choice for a civilian or military career. Can you explain a little more in depth?

Yes I am a graduate. Without getting in depth, the issue is that the number of US Flagged ships has been steadily declining. Now only supported by the MSP (subsidy), cargo preference (subsidy), Jones Act (law). It's far cheaper to use foreign flagged carriers. Jones Act vessels must be constructed, owned, and operated in the US/by US citizens. As you can imagine, the pure cost of a US Flagged newbuilding is a few times what the cost of a chinese built ship is. If you want a military career go to a military academy or ROTC program.
 
Yes I am a graduate. Without getting in depth, the issue is that the number of US Flagged ships has been steadily declining. Now only supported by the MSP (subsidy), cargo preference (subsidy), Jones Act (law). It's far cheaper to use foreign flagged carriers. Jones Act vessels must be constructed, owned, and operated in the US/by US citizens. As you can imagine, the pure cost of a US Flagged newbuilding is a few times what the cost of a chinese built ship is.. If you want a military career go to a military academy or ROTC program
Not sure if I agree with your last statement...'If you want a military career go to a military academy or ROTC program'. The USMMA is still a highly ranked college well above most University's. Plus, the preparation received is far superior to the ROTCs. It would cost us $44K to attend OU with a full ROTC Scholarship, since we'd still have to pay Room and Board. It would cost us under $10k to attend USMMA, and he can pay that off his sea year. His chances of flying is greater at the USMMA and he has choices once he graduates. There's way to many pro's on going to USMMA vs ROTC. I DO agree that he should choose the DoD academy over USMMA.
 
Plus, the preparation received is far superior to the ROTCs. It would cost us $44K to attend OU with a full ROTC Scholarship, since we'd still have to pay Room and Board. It would cost us under $10k to attend USMMA, and he can pay that off his sea year. His chances of flying is greater at the USMMA and he has choices once he graduates.

You're thinking about this all wrong. You're economizing things that really shouldn't be economized.
 
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