USNA Class of 2027 Waiting and Speculating

[ProudPapa26_28]

For those asking questions about the Presidential Nom. . .I believe I read on this forum that the number of Presidential Nominations can exceed the number of appointment slots (100). In that case, you may well need the MOC nomination in order to secure the appointment.

 

[A1Janitor]

For those asking questions about the Presidential Nom. . .I believe I read on this forum that the number of Presidential Nominations can exceed the number of appointment slots (100). In that case, you may well need the MOC nomination in order to secure the appointment.

Yes, generally , but the person already secured the appointment in this case.

 

[ltb7]

And you are counter to what USNA admissions suggests. There are hard limits to the numbers of people they can admit on Presidential, NROTC, etc noms and just maybe there are additional people in THOSE categories who could be admitted if USNA can use the MOC nom for candidate X.

Very helpful to understand, thank you.

 

[T-37IP]

Until a candidate has accepted an appointment they should keep on going with nominations. "Collecting" noms hurts no one as only one is used, but gives maximum flexibility to build a class. Many candidates have more than one SA in play. It isn't the candidate's responsibility to game the system for #11 on the slate. It all works out in the end. Keep the civilian backups in play as long as possible in the event something unforseen happens. The appointment is really step 1 in a long line of things that can go wrong. Good luck to all.

 

[MidCakePa]

If it were my son asking for advice - if he had an appointment to USNA, I would tell him to withdraw his application for nominations for USNA.

I respectfully disagree, @A1Janitor. Many applicants at this stage don’t know 100% what they want. Having multiple meaningful options — and new information — can dramatically change their decision calculus.

For example: DD declared in the 8th grade that USNA was her first choice. She also applied to USMA and USAFA, because she was willing to serve as a commissioned officer in any of those branches, i.e. her Plan B. With both USNA and USMA offers in hand, she attended a WP Founders Day dinner and was lobbied hard — respectfully, but hard — by the alumni there. She came thiiiiiiis close to flipping to USMA. In fact, I thought for sure she would.

For other candidates, it could be something else that prompts a change in preference, e.g campus visit, conversation with a grad, deeper dive into possible MOS, and so forth. So I say, keep all options open for as long as you need to make a smart decision. I’m one of those who does not subscribe to the “you’re hurting others” line. You’ve earned your nomination and offer of appointment, and you deserve the right to make your decision in the time allotted.

 

[A1Janitor]

I respectfully disagree, @A1Janitor. Many applicants at this stage don’t know 100% what they want. Having multiple meaningful options — and new information — can dramatically change their decision calculus.

For example: DD declared in the 8th grade that USNA was her first choice. She also applied to USMA and USAFA, because she was willing to serve as a commissioned officer in any of those branches, i.e. her Plan B. With both USNA and USMA offers in hand, she attended a WP Founders Day dinner and was lobbied hard — respectfully, but hard — by the alumni there. She came thiiiiiiis close to flipping to USMA. In fact, I thought for sure she would.

For other candidates, it could be something else that prompts a change in preference, e.g campus visit, conversation with a grad, deeper dive into possible MOS, and so forth. So I say, keep all options open for as long as you need to make a smart decision. I’m one of those who does not subscribe to the “you’re hurting others” line. You’ve earned your nomination and offer of appointment, and you deserve the right to make your decision in the time allotted.

I absolutely agree with you. Especially if we are talking about MOC nominations with a presidential nomination in hand.

But this candidate already has an appointment to USNA waiting for a signature to accept the offer. Certainly they should explore plan Bs and do MOC for other academies. Just not sure how MOC interviews for the naval academy helps.

I was lucky. My son wanted to go to USNA and only USNA. So he only applied to USNA.

 

[USMC/USN]

If someone gets a presidential nomination, can that be used for all academies or is it specific to only one academy?

 

[T-37IP]

If someone gets a presidential nomination, can that be used for all academies or is it specific to only one academy?

Yes and no. You have to submit the paperwork to each academy of individually but the Presidential works for USNA, USMA, and USAFA, but not USMMA.

 

[Goal2004]

Not that I want to encourage people to disclose information they aren't comfortable disclosing, but I will say that last year it was extremely helpful to know what states the appointments were coming from and when. Without boring everyone with details, the timing of when decisions went out for our state ended up being very valuable information for the current reapplication process. So, anyhow...just encouraging everyone to include state information as long as there isn't an over riding reason not to. It can be useful information in some instances.

I vote for this too! If I’m not mistaken we all posted States last year. It helps also to brag

 

[Goal2004]

Yep. Rolling. DS has an appointment based on his Presidential nom. His MOC interviews are this week and 1 in November.

Congrats on your son’s appointment!!
Maybe I’m wrong but if you have an appointment why does he need another nomination? Unless a presidential nomination can be use for only one of the academies and your som is still pursuing his #1 choice
I think it will be fair to let the interviewing panel know that he has an appointment and a nomination already, perhaps email MOC beforehand? That way they can decide if they will interview him or give that (hard to get) spot to another deserving candidate I’m not sure how the interviewing panel will feel if this VERY important piece of information is left out and your son mention it at the actual interview. Or even worse, not say anything at all and let them find out after.

 

[justdoit19]

I absolutely agree with you. Especially if we are talking about MOC nominations with a presidential nomination in hand.

But this candidate already has an appointment to USNA waiting for a signature to accept the offer. Certainly they should explore plan Bs and do MOC for other academies. Just not sure how MOC interviews for the naval academy helps.

I was lucky. My son wanted to go to USNA and only USNA. So he only applied to USNA.

What it CAN do, is give USNA perhaps the ability to get in two desirable candidates.

Say candidate A has a presidential nom, but doesn’t secure an MOC nom.

And candidate B also has a presidential nom, no MOC nom, and is highly desirable ‘choice #101’ (of 100).

Charging candidate A to MOC, allows a spot for candidate B to be charged to a presidential.

HIGHLY oversimplified, but shows how having more than one nom gives the SA more flexibility to get the class they want.

Official BGO training says to advise candidates to apply to all sources available to them.

 

[A1Janitor]

What it CAN do, is give USNA perhaps the ability to get in two desirable candidates.

Say candidate A has a presidential nom, but doesn’t secure an MOC nom.

And candidate B also has a presidential nom, no MOC nom, and is highly desirable ‘choice #101’ (of 100).

Charging candidate A to MOC, allows a spot for candidate B to be charged to a presidential.

HIGHLY oversimplified, but shows how having more than one nom gives the SA more flexibility to get the class they want.

Official BGO training says to advise candidates to apply to all sources available to them.

Yup I agree. From the Academy’s perspective, it allows them potentially other places to fit pieces.

From a candidate’s perspective - with an offer in hand - the MOC doesn’t do anything for the candidate (with the exception of practice interviewing with adults) unless they are looking for a nomination to another Academy (which they have a Presidential for already).

LOL I suspect admissions gets the appointees they want anyway.

 

[OldRetSWO]

Yup I agree. From the Academy’s perspective, it allows them potentially other places to fit pieces.

From a candidate’s perspective - with an offer in hand - the MOC doesn’t do anything for the candidate (with the exception of practice interviewing with adults) unless they are looking for a nomination to another Academy (which they have a Presidential for already).

LOL I suspect admissions gets the appointees they want anyway.

If a highly outstanding candidate (Whole Person Multiple) has the Presidential available, USNA might give an appointment early to get them locked in but might actually want to use an MOC or other nom as they try to maximize the number of top candidates that they can accept.

 

[Heatherg21]

I would always advise a candidate regardless of early appointment status to pursue every nomination they are qualified for. Period. Give the admissions board the most flexibility. That flexibility can help other candidates in the national pool.

If you receive a nomination you aren’t ‘taking’ a nomination away from anyone. You are writing a well worded thank you note to your MOC thanking them for the nomination YOU earned.

 

[dddad]

If a highly outstanding candidate (Whole Person Multiple) has the Presidential available, USNA might give an appointment early to get them locked in but might actually want to use an MOC or other nom as they try to maximize the number of top candidates that they can accept.

Thanks @OldRetSWO for providing additional context.

One can imagine that there are some outstanding candidates who only end up with Presidential Nominations because some MOCs might think that they will get an appointment on that Presidential category of nomination. The prospect that this would occur coupled with the fact that there are several hundred candidates with Presidential Nominations every year seems likely, in some (hopefully rare) instances, to leave highly qualified candidates without a pathway into USNA. Given this potential, even in the unusual circumstance of the early appointed candidate (on a Presidential Nomination), it makes a lot of sense for every candidate to apply for every nomination for which they are eligible.

I'm sure that every MIDN wants to be a part of the best class that could have been assembled. So, there is an indirect benefit to the MIDN candidate who already received his/her offer of appointment.

 

[OldRetSWO]

coupled with the fact that there are several hundred candidates with Presidential Nominations every year

I think that I once heard the number 800 for presidential noms but I'm not sure. . .

 

[dddad]

I think that I once heard the number 800 for presidential noms but I'm not sure. . .

Looking at the class portraits for 2023-2025, assuming I'm reading the information correctly, it looks like there are regularly more than 600 - so the notion that it could be 800 in a given year would make sense.

 

[Proudmom27]

I am going to share what we learned. My daughter reached out to both her BGO and her admissions counselor after receiving her offer of appointment to USNA asking whether she should withdraw her congressional nomination applications. She was told to keep her congressional nomination applications open. She was told she would not be hurting another candidates chances.

My 2 cents. For those unsure of where they want to be or holding out for their #1, you don't want to take yourself out of the running for your #1 choice just because your #2 or #3 made you an offer. You want to keep everything in play until you know. I personally think the academies like to see how you stack up against your competition.

Hi! I am new here. I join this forum to try to find answers and after reading so many comments yours in particular gave me hope and the strength to keep cheering up my son. He is applying to USNA ‘27 is his #1 choice from his heart from a very young age wants to go to the Naval Academy. He had done his application early after so much hard work he had everything in with 2 Nominations, one from MOC and the second one from his NJROTC school. In the Portal still show Complete - Pending Review for the past month in a half. He went Summer Seminar and We just went for CVW.
I was very impressed by their campus is Magnificent. Right now we are in the waiting game holding the fort! Any advice anyone will be well appreciated.

 

[MidCakePa]

Right now we are in the waiting game holding the fort! Any advice anyone will be well appreciated.

For parents: Sit tight. Create opportunities to enjoy the final months with DS/DD at home. Provide positive energy that they’ll find the right college match. And counsel them to not spend every free minute checking the portal!

For DS/DS: Work on Plans B, C, D, etc. Create opportunities to enjoy the final months at home. Continue improving your physical fitness. And don’t spend every free minute checking the portal!

 

[Dr. Strange Love]

Hi! I am new here. I join this forum to try to find answers and after reading so many comments yours in particular gave me hope and the strength to keep cheering up my son. He is applying to USNA ‘27 is his #1 choice from his heart from a very young age wants to go to the Naval Academy. He had done his application early after so much hard work he had everything in with 2 Nominations, one from MOC and the second one from his NJROTC school. In the Portal still show Complete - Pending Review for the past month in a half. He went Summer Seminar and We just went for CVW.
I was very impressed by their campus is Magnificent. Right now we are in the waiting game holding the fort! Any advice anyone will be well appreciated.

The Service Academies are in the business of breaking parents down and rebuilding them anew and better …

We survived … and we are better for it …. and You will become better for it too

… and I agree … USNA is Magnificent !!!

If my mother were alive today, she would say, after hearing that her granddaughter made it into the USNA, …

.. that’s just “Glorious” …
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