USNA Class of 2028 Waiting and Speculating

I think you missing the point. I agree that the completed app is NOT a requirement for LOA. However, the app that clearly shows gaps due to technical reason and inconsistencies in the responses from the admission staff is what concerns mean. As I have stated earlier. Those inconsistencies range from "we don't have X, Y and Z" to "we have received everything". if they have received everything, then why not just look at the file, check it for completion and push it to the next group? This needed to be done anyways and DS would stop calling and emailing about status update. This would just make everyone's life so much easier. At least at this point the application would be in the hands of the admissions and not glitched out server and its technical support staff. All I am asking is for the admission to make an extra effort and not block the candidate with an earlier submitted application due to technical glitches.
Would you agree that if they have everything sent, whether that is seen on the applicant portal or not, is not a problem to worry about?

They have thousands of applications. They know what they are doing.
 
To you. But not to USNA staff. To your point, an ILLUSION isn’t REALITY.

Respectfully, your angst is aggravated bc you (idk about your son) have made it clear that if your son doesn’t receive an LOA, he is accepting ED at another institution. So you are gunning for an LOA. So you have a self-imposed earlier timeline you (idk about your son) must meet. Absolutely 100pct without question, that’s the wrong attitude here….putting everything on receipt of an LOA…as everyone here has tried to express.

NO EARLY submission does NOTHING to advance, advantage, or otherwise provide benefit or show commitment. It’s just. Plain. Doesn’t. Apps aren’t due until the end of the year. Early DOES potential trigger the DODMERB appointment (unless it doesn’t. One year, different criteria was used for triggering a DODMERB).

BGO’s just yesterday received an email (at least I did) from my Regional Director citing ongoing issues specifically with the candidate checklist. They suggest using a Chrome browser when accessing their application. And if the candidate has any concerns, to reach out to their admissions counselor for confirmation.

Every year, there has been some sort of glitch/challenge in the process. Last year it was DODMERB (which makes this pale in comparison!). It’s all part of the world we now live in, at least that’s how it’s been since I’ve been here.

If you didn’t have your ED decision to make for your son, perhaps this wouldn’t be as annoying to you. Idk. But April 15th is when he should expect to hear by. Not before. He CANNOT go for a LOA. And early submission doesn’t play into this process at all. This is is a bureaucracy, not the civilian world of efficiencies. Not making excuses, but this is reality.

If your son has received confirmation that USNA has everything, then USNA has everything. You simply aren’t seeing it as checked on your end. Or your son isn’t. Maybe CPR will pop up this week. That’s still not an LOA. Or does nothing for an LOA. Assume you (son) won’t receive on. And move forward however you (your son) needs to.

Honestly, this is a stressful endeavor. More so for some than others. Often, it’s advised to hop off the portal checking, and forums for a bit. Put it aside. And enjoy senior year. Can’t get those moments back!
Yes, at some point we have to make a reality check and go for ED + NROTC that would increase chance of admissions rather than wait for USNA to figure out its IT issues. Therefore, LOA in this case is being used as an indicator that USNA has a slight interest in the DS. Nothing more and nothing less. I am aware that there is a nomination process and bunch of others factors.

I also don't agree with you that earlier submissions does NOTHING to the application. If you take two groups of applicants and some have submitted earlier (July/August timeframe) and some later (January/December) I think it is pretty clear which group has a genuine interest.

I don't make ED decision for my DS. But I am an adult in room and have more experience than him and I can see farther and around the corner (just like every other responsible adult in the forum). Therefore it is my responsibility to weight and explain all the pros and cons.
 
LOAs are not just thrown out there.

They are given even when all requirements aren't met. In fact, they stipulate requirements on them to get the appointment.

An LOA is not a guarantee of admission. You don't meet the requirements listed, you don't get an appointment. Trust me, I'm well versed in that one with my kid.

If someone is banking on an LOA to make their decision, they are making the wrong decision in the first place. It comes across as it is not the goal to serve, it is to get into a specific institution.

FYI, this is exactly what an LOA says in it (part of the actual letter sent to my kid during the '25 cycle):

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Would you agree that if they have everything sent, whether that is seen on the applicant portal or not, is not a problem to worry about?

They have thousands of applications. They know what they are doing.
I worry about lack of consistent responses.
 
Yes, at some point we have to make a reality check and go for ED + NROTC that would increase chance of admissions rather than wait for USNA to figure out its IT issues. Therefore, LOA in this case is being used as an indicator that USNA has a slight interest in the DS. Nothing more and nothing less. I am aware that there is a nomination process and bunch of others factors.

I also don't agree with you that earlier submissions does NOTHING to the application. If you take two groups of applicants and some have submitted earlier (July/August timeframe) and some later (January/December) I think it is pretty clear which group has a genuine interest.

I don't make ED decision for my DS. But I am an adult in room and have more experience than him and I can see farther and around the corner (just like every other responsible adult in the forum). Therefore it is my responsibility to weight and explain all the pros and cons.
You are making some SERIOUSLY WRONG assumptions. Absolutely incorrect. It’s apparent that no one here can change your incorrect thinking. Which is really unfortunate and sad for you son. I’m really sorry about that for him. Because it’s potentially life altering for him.

You are simply wrong about ‘interest in him, is expressed via an LOA’. You are incorrect. Wrong. Period.

You should just be honest, and report that if your son doesn’t receive an LOA, he’s out. Bc that’s what it boils down to for you. But don’t assume bc he doesn’t have or receive one, he won’t be offered an appointment ultimately. Which is the majority of the Brigade.
 
I worry about lack of consistent responses.
You are worrying about things outside your control.

If he gets in, you will say they need to fix their system (which had no affect on his process). If he doesn’t get in, you will blame the technical issues on the reason

Never mind the competition on the slate.

I personally would scrap the LOA thoughts.
 
You are making some SERIOUSLY WRONG assumptions. Absolutely incorrect. It’s apparent that no one here can change your incorrect thinking. Which is really unfortunate and sad for you son. I’m really sorry about that for him. Because it’s potentially life altering for him.

You are simply wrong about ‘interest in him, is expressed via an LOA’. You are incorrect. Wrong. Period.
What is your recommendation? Apply EA or RD to college, hence lowering the chances of admission and then hope that USNA would work itself out somehow?
 
You are worrying about things outside your control.

If he gets in, you will say they need to fix their system (which had no affect on his process). If he doesn’t get in, you will blame the technical issues on the reason

Never mind the competition on the slate.

I personally would scrap the LOA thoughts.
Of course they need to fix the system. It generates so much extra work for everyone involved.
 
What is your recommendation? Apply EA or RD to college, hence lowering the chances of admission and then hope that USNA would work itself out somehow?
If USNA is truly your DS’s top choice, yes. That was the conversation I had with my DD in early July, and that’s what *she* chose to do. When discussing it, I reinforced that, at her top civilian school(s), she would have a much better chance of being admitted via ED. She decided she wanted to roll the dice on getting a medical waiver. We then discussed whether or not she wanted to apply to a couple other of choices via Restrictive EA (which still allows you to apply to public’s and service academies) - she doesn’t. In the meantime, while we work through the waiver process/waiting, she’s applying to a number of other competitive schools that offer EA. And, even if gets her waiver, will still apply RD to her Ivies. It’s tough but, at this point, I think it’s probably best to lay out scenarios, get the hell out of the way, and let them spread their wings and exercise their agency. Support however you can in the process (I’ve created spreadsheets, edited essays, provided input when asked, and offered gentle reminders re: timeline and family schedules if she wants us to edit things), but let them steer the ship.
 
Yes, at some point we have to make a reality check and go for ED + NROTC that would increase chance of admissions rather than wait for USNA to figure out its IT issues. Therefore, LOA in this case is being used as an indicator that USNA has a slight interest in the DS. Nothing more and nothing less. I am aware that there is a nomination process and bunch of others factors.

I also don't agree with you that earlier submissions does NOTHING to the application. If you take two groups of applicants and some have submitted earlier (July/August timeframe) and some later (January/December) I think it is pretty clear which group has a genuine interest.

I don't make ED decision for my DS. But I am an adult in room and have more experience than him and I can see farther and around the corner (just like every other responsible adult in the forum). Therefore it is my responsibility to weight and explain all the pros and cons.
As I see it, the problem with this "reality check" is that it seems to make a wrong assumption about the award of a LOA. Yes, a LOA provides a certain degree of assurance about a future appointment - a degree only. No, the lack of a LOA doesn't mean your DS is unlikely to receive an appointment to USNA if he is an outstanding candidate and there is no superior candidate on his slate(s) or he has a very high candidate score.

I tend to agree that the candidates who finish an application early might have demonstrated greater interest. BUT, I'm not sure that proving greater interest makes one a better candidate (at all).

Seeing around the corner is very difficult. I hope you are as able to do that for him as you think. My kids certainly asked for advice when they were doing their applications - from me, DW, teachers, BGOs, ALOs, FFRs, and more. Mostly, I tried to raise big picture items for them to think about. My fear was always that I'd offer advice that was incorrect. I think, @mike1979, that you are hearing that many experienced posters are concerned you are misreading or misunderstanding the process. That is only an issue if your DS really feels strongly that USNA or another SA is his first choice. If not, then perhaps your ability to see "farther and around the corner" is best. Good luck to your DS regardless whether USNA or some ED school is his first choice!
 
What is your recommendation? Apply EA or RD to college, hence lowering the chances of admission and then hope that USNA would work itself out somehow?
Whether to go EA or RD is a question most SA applicants face.

I would assume outside of an LOA, the ED decision would come before the SA decision.

If the candidate is confident they will get in to SA, they shouldn’t do ED. If the candidate wants SA but isn’t confident they will get in, they need to assess the risk of only getting in by ED and not RD.

Portal glitches have nothing to do with it.
 
What is your recommendation? Apply EA or RD to college, hence lowering the chances of admission and then hope that USNA would work itself out somehow?
That is how 95% of the candidates who apply to SA's have to do it. ED is for people that REALLY want to go to that institution. You have a better chance at admission, but you are locked into that institution. No other options. So if your DS really wants that ED college, then he should go for it. If he wants a chance at USNA, then he has to go EA or RD. It is a gamble, but life is full of gambles.

I would recommend you don't assume you will get ROTC at a ED college if he is accepted at that institution. Depending on the school and Military branch. ROTC can be just as competitive or more so than a SA.
 
I tend to agree that the candidates who finish an application early might have demonstrated greater interest. BUT, I'm not sure that proving greater interest makes one a better candidate (at all).
I don’t think this is necessarily true. My son was intentionally on time but not early. His interest in USNA wasn’t less than anyone’s- he only applied to USNA (and a backup state school - they approved his application the moment he submitted it).
 
We were told that ED is possible if you do it while applying to SA. The understanding is that you can turn down an ED if you are deciding instead on an SA due to it being military service. That is what DS did.
 
That is how 95% of the candidates who apply to SA's have to do it. ED is for people that REALLY want to go to that institution. You have a better chance at admission, but you are locked into that institution. No other options. So if your DS really wants that ED college, then he should go for it. If he wants a chance at USNA, then he has to go EA or RD. It is a gamble, but life is full of gambles.

I would recommend you don't assume you will get ROTC at a ED college if he is accepted at that institution. Depending on the school and Military branch. ROTC can be just as competitive or more so than a SA.
Good point about NROTC. Some units at highly desired/highly competitive schools fill up with incoming NROTC scholarship winners very quickly. If the student is not a scholarship winner out of HS, they can still join a unit via the college programmer route, if there is room for them.
 
We were told that ED is possible if you do it while applying to SA. The understanding is that you can turn down an ED if you are deciding instead on an SA due to it being military service. That is what DS did.
Generally speaking, the only way to get out of an ED admit is if you can’t afford to attend.
 
What is your recommendation? Apply EA or RD to college, hence lowering the chances of admission and then hope that USNA would work itself out somehow?
Honestly it’s a really tough call. I’m glad my 3 applicants were not in the ‘ED’ pool.

My honest recommendation would be for him to proceed forward until he has to close a door. But he isn’t to that point, yet. Perhaps there will be more clarity gained by him, at that point.

I would also recommend he visit both institutions.

And I would counsel my own, that if he HAD to proceed with ED, to go the NROTC route, and reassess next application cycle if he wants to reapply to USNA. That way, he would be in NROTC, have an additional nom source, and then he can decide if USNA is still what he wants.

But it’s absolutely 3,000 pct WRONG to think that not having an LOA means anything about a potential appointment. In his district, perhaps an LOA is offered to meet an underrepresented category. Which is absolutely not within his control. An LOA doesn’t mean ‘the best candidate in the whole wide world’. An LOA is a tool to build a class to represent our nation. In all areas. Which aren’t transparent to you. But NOT having one DOESNT mean he isn’t competitive or would receive an appointment.

My boys didn’t have to deal with ED. I would tells my own son to proceed with NROTC application, and would recommend a school that’s not ED. BC when you get to your community ultimately, your pedigree and degree don’t matter. And then ultimately in life, it’s your time in service that’s going to set you up for life. In management.

But, to be clear, USNA’s IT issues will have zerooooo affect on appointments to the class.
 
Good point about NROTC. Some units at highly desired/highly competitive schools fill up with incoming NROTC scholarship winners very quickly. If the student is not a scholarship winner out of HS, they can still join a unit via the college programmer route, if there is room for them.
And further, NROTC is the application where ‘earlier’ submission can benefit. As in, if it’s ready, it goes into the pile of applications that can be reviewed at the first boarding. Where they meet and *can* make an offer at the 1st board. They review as many as time allows. NROTC is a whole different process. NROTC is where @mike1979 ’s son should be focusing on early submission.

BTW, both of my Mids received NROTC offers on the 1st board. Neither received LOA’s to USNA. And further, one was appointed in late November, the other pulled from the waitlist mid May.
 
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BTW, both of my guys received NROTC offers on the 1st board. Neither received LOA’s to USNA. And further, one was appointed in late November, the other pulled from the waitlist mid May.
Same for my DS - NROTC scholarship awarded on first board, USNA application CPR mid September. No LOA. He contacted the NROTC unit at three of his five school choices and was told by all three that (for their particular schools, which were highly selective for out-of-state applicants) ED would substantially improve his chance of acceptance and that already (October) the unit had scholarship recipients committing via ED. Because he applied to USNA (and that was his goal), he went RD and received a FOAD letter from all three institutions. It's just the reality of it all. He failed to show the schools the love they craved (and the yield they desired). He was accepted tp our state flagship university and the next door state's flagship and placed his NROTC scholarship at our state school with the intention of being a re-applicant (but keeping an open mind on staying). In late February, he received an offer of appointment, along with a whole bunch of others - right there, in line with past years. My DS was a stellar candidate (NROTC board thought so, too) who would fit right in with the stats for any top-line university but that meant he was also pretty much like every other highly qualified USNA applicant. So he waited. His overall goal was to be an officer and he had a good route via the NROTC scholarship. On this forum, over and over, you read about the importance of the goal - to be an officer and not to go to USNA or to XXX university. Of course parents and applicants are going to be sorely disappointed if they don't get into their first choice. But most of our sons and daughters are not as special as we all would like to think.

I cannot imagine a situation in which a NROTC scholarship recipient isn't going to find a place through RD - unless the applicant shoots for the moon for all five colleges (with no safety). It may not be their heart's desire but they have a solid path to commissioning and an opportunity to reapply to USNA (without concerns for ED, RD, EA, or whatever malady our ridiculously expensive institutions of higher learning toss out). So, the applicant really needs to embrace the goal of becoming an officer first. If not going to USNA is a deal breaker, how's it going to be when a pilot wannabe is sub drafted etc?
 
My dude applied for his NROTC scholarship while in as a Freshman, so he didn't get into the system until later, but got it with the first board he was eligible for, which I think was the January one? I'd have to go back and look into the NROTC part of the forum to see for sure. He didn't get put onto the waitlist for the Academy until April. And got pulled off in early May. As I said, he was already in the mindset that he was reporting for NROTC summer activities and was happy with that.

He did not apply for any ROTC scholarships while in HS for his first go round.

And remember, an NROTC scholarship is NOT a free education. It covers tuition/fees only. The candidate is still responsible for room/board. Yes, there are some schools that will provide a separate "scholarship" to ROTC candidates to cover that, but most schools do not. Going the NROTC route can still be very expensive depending on the school. Our dude was going to commute from home so that we wouldn't have to shell out for room/board and work part time to cover other expenses. That was part of his own decision space when the Academy appointment showed up.
 
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