USNA Class of 2028 Waiting and Speculating

IronmanDaremo said:
Our dude was going to commute from home so that we wouldn't have to shell out for room/board and work part time to cover other expenses. That was part of his own decision space when the Academy appointment showed up.
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Exactly the same. His dorm room was going to be he growing up bedroom and his dining hall was at Che' Mom and Dad. You play the cards you're dealt.
 
mike1979 said:
I think you missing the point. I agree that the completed app is NOT a requirement for LOA. However, the app that clearly shows gaps due to technical reason and inconsistencies in the responses from the admission staff is what concerns mean. As I have stated earlier. Those inconsistencies range from "we don't have X, Y and Z" to "we have received everything". if they have received everything, then why not just look at the file, check it for completion and push it to the next group? This needed to be done anyways and DS would stop calling and emailing about status update. This would just make everyone's life so much easier. At least at this point the application would be in the hands of the admissions and not glitched out server and its technical support staff. All I am asking is for the admission to make an extra effort and not block the candidate with an earlier submitted application due to technical glitches.
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I got the point. Honestly I chose to ignore the belaboring of the IT issues. The IT issues are not good and need to be resolved. I don’t know the details of what USNA is doing to resolve them, but I am sure they are working on it. And just because his app is done early does not mean it will be reviewed in the order it came in. It could be months before it’s reviewed. I can’t speak to specifics of why your DS is getting different answers, that should not be happening. Summer is the military rotation time, it could be a new officer arrived a few weeks ago and is getting locked into the role. Maybe it’s an officer that has been there and moved roles or was away leading training for the summer and getting back to the admissions grind. Could be a million answers. If lack of an LOA is enough for your DS to walk away from waiting for an appt, then maybe USNA isn’t the right place.
 
I'd even go further and say - and this is going to be super blunt and come off as unsympathetic, which I'll apologize ahead of time for - if you are banking on an LOA to help him make his decision, and that is the sole end that is acceptable to YOU, just have him pull his app now and not waste your and Admissions' time.
 
mike1979 said:
Therefore, LOA in this case is being used as an indicator that USNA has a slight interest in the DS.
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Here's a hint .... if DS has the record you've indicated , then USNA is "interested" ..LOA or not. Bu they are also interested in hundreds of others with equal credentials. Nobody knows what triggers an LOA -- sometimes it seems random. Bottom line, quit thinking about LOA's and look ahead for an Offer of Appointment.

NavyHoops said:
Honestly I chose to ignore the belaboring of the IT issues. The IT issues are not good and need to be resolved. I don’t know the details of what USNA is doing to resolve them, but I am sure they are working on it.
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The daily attack and repeated calls to Admissions is not helping the problem. If anything, if the calls have anything near the tone that we see here, they will hurt. Admissions knows there is a problem this year and has people working on it.

I've seen the Admissions Platform issue evolve since well before the 2020 system launch. There is alot going on beyond the scenes that the general public doesn't know, and has no need to know. That said, I have full confidence that the Admission Office will have access to all the necessary information, and the Class of 2028 will be filled with qualified candidates by I-Day next year.
 
🤔 I wonder if an applicant, or parent, calls repeatedly and complains, could that app be slid to the bottom of the pile, so to speak?

Similar to how I would never ever chastise wait staff (would they spit in my food?) or a baggage handler (I actually have experience with this) where an untipped and rudely treated skycap ‘accidentally’ ripped off the baggage tag.
 
justdoit19 said:
🤔 I wonder if an applicant, or parent, calls repeatedly and complains, could that app be slid to the bottom of the pile, so to speak?

Similar to how I would never ever chastise wait staff (would they spit in my food?) or a baggage handler (I actually have experience with this) where an untipped and rudely treated skycap ‘accidentally’ ripped off the baggage tag.
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Exactly. I am always a gentleman in how I treat workers at a restaurant. Usually any problems aren’t the wait staff’s fault.

Many years ago I was out to a restaurant and witnessed a close client/friend at a nearby table rudely attacking a waitress (who did nothing wrong). He is known to pull this crap. His wife and guests were clearly uncomfortable. I jokingly told him to stop. And tipped the waitress generously.

People are human beings and deserve to be treated as such.
 
Good rule for life: Think long and hard before berating, embarrassing or shaming the person who prepares or brings your food. You may (will probably) regret it.

Applies to other occupations, I’m sure. Such as admissions officer.
 
Heatherg21 said:
Admissions can see what is submitted. Whether the user facing portal reflects that is another matter.

I had a candidate reach out to me yesterday concerned his submittal of his Math and English recommenders/evaluators email had not been accepted (on user side he had error). I was able to confirm for him that the requests had been sent. Once USNA receives the respondents evaluation I can confirm that for my candidate via the BGIS portal.

Unless the candidate qualifies for a nomination outside of MOC, it is not likely their file will be evaluated prior to the MOC nomination slates being received and that can run into February.

If the candidate doesn’t qualify for non MOC noms, it doesn’t make a lot of sense to hamper admissions with little stuff at this point in the cycle. It’s so early. Tech issues are real. And annoying. The staff will kick butt to screen and evaluate and upload what they need to. Yes it makes sense to trigger medical for potential remediation.

Admissions cares about each candidate file and evaluates them to a degree I couldn’t have fathomed prior to BGO training. Trust the process.
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I have told my DS to trust the process, especially after reading all the advice here from the BGO's and experienced parents. In the last few days, his ACT just finally showed as a check, even with the scores displayed on the portal since 7/19/23 (I know a lot of people had that specific problem and didn't worry about it). That was trusting the process and I appreciate the helpful advice.

Here's the kicker - my DS's portal showed green for CFA (it was sent from USMA in July) and his HS transcript was shown as received. I keep notes on this, so I know that on 7/31/23, both showed as received with a check. Since about the last week, both of those are now changed to an "X" and the CFA is no longer green. He waited to see if it would correct, knowing that the system is a little wonky. Finally, couldn't contain himself at the uncertainty (I couldn't either) and he sent a polite and short email explaining it. He got a very quick response that they do have the CFA but DO NOT have the transcript. This makes no sense to me at all. They asked him to email it to them. His application has been complete (although says incomplete) for almost a month. I understand waiting to see if it all gels, but had he done that, his "missing" transcript would have become an issue. I assume they aren't chasing these kids down for missing documents. All the other school information sent from the counselor at the same time as the transcript have been received. Frustrating. My dad and husband were military and my son in law is now, and we're no stranger to the confusion and paperwork involved in this lifestyle. But to have something checked, then unchecked, then be told it's not in the file..... I guess this is just a cautionary tale to those who may experience the same situation. Sorry for the length. Again thanks to all for their advice. It's keeping me sane.
 
bethf said:
I have told my DS to trust the process, especially after reading all the advice here from the BGO's and experienced parents. In the last few days, his ACT just finally showed as a check, even with the scores displayed on the portal since 7/19/23 (I know a lot of people had that specific problem and didn't worry about it). That was trusting the process and I appreciate the helpful advice.

Here's the kicker - my DS's portal showed green for CFA (it was sent from USMA in July) and his HS transcript was shown as received. I keep notes on this, so I know that on 7/31/23, both showed as received with a check. Since about the last week, both of those are now changed to an "X" and the CFA is no longer green. He waited to see if it would correct, knowing that the system is a little wonky. Finally, couldn't contain himself at the uncertainty (I couldn't either) and he sent a polite and short email explaining it. He got a very quick response that they do have the CFA but DO NOT have the transcript. This makes no sense to me at all. They asked him to email it to them. His application has been complete (although says incomplete) for almost a month. I understand waiting to see if it all gels, but had he done that, his "missing" transcript would have become an issue. I assume they aren't chasing these kids down for missing documents. All the other school information sent from the counselor at the same time as the transcript have been received. Frustrating. My dad and husband were military and my son in law is now, and we're no stranger to the confusion and paperwork involved in this lifestyle. But to have something checked, then unchecked, then be told it's not in the file..... I guess this is just a cautionary tale to those who may experience the same situation. Sorry for the length. Again thanks to all for their advice. It's keeping me sane.
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I have been reporting similar issues, as my DS would encounter them, to the admissions as well. From what I understand after talking to them they create tickets with IT to take a look at the particular issue then IT updates the script that runs on the server that manages data and those scripts are run for all applications. Hence the problem reported with my DS application and the fix created would benefit others.
 
mike1979 said:
I have been reporting similar issues, as my DS would encounter them, to the admissions as well. From what I understand after talking to them they create tickets with IT to take a look at the particular issue then IT updates the script that runs on the server that manages data and those scripts are run for all applications. Hence the problem reported with my DS application and the fix created would benefit others.
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Do you think the results would have been different if you didn’t report it to admissions? It has been reported by BGOs that the issues were known and worked on.

Is there a reason why you are contacting admissions, and not your son?
 
A1Janitor said:
Do you think the results would have been different if you didn’t report it to admissions? It has been reported by BGOs that the issues were known and worked on.

Is there a reason why you are contacting admissions, and not your son?
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Yes, and the way are issues are known is by folks reporting them. Whether or not the results would've been different we would only know once sufficient number of folks here start reporting on the application changes.
 
mike1979 said:
Yes, and the way are issues are known is by folks reporting them. Whether or not the results would've been different we would only know once sufficient number of folks here start reporting on the application changes.
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Good luck with reporting technical issues to DOD IT contractors. DODMERB was down for three months. Another active fighting force main website was down for an entire week. The list goes on.

USNA admissions are thorough professionals who do what they do best and has nothing to do with issues beyond their scope. Time has proven that.

Imagine what they went thru' the two years of pandemic shut down.
 
Admissions has been handling this same process for over a century. I'm pretty sure they can deal with a glitchy computer program. Imagine not that long ago, a applying candidate gathered all of the necassary information together and mailed it to admissions. Then had to just wait for the BFE or TWE to come. I'm sure that created mountains of paperwork for admissions which is why they have the system now. But think how much less stress you would have if you couldn't constantly go to a portal to worry about green check marks? Give the process some time to work. This will also prepare your future MIDN for the "Navy way". You find out when you find out. Just be ready when the time comes.
 
Ihavenoidea said:
Admissions has been handling this same process for over a century. I'm pretty sure they can deal with a glitchy computer program. Imagine not that long ago, an applying candidate gathered all of the necassary information together and mailed it to admissions. Then had to just wait for the BFE or TWE to come. I'm sure that created mountains of paperwork for admissions which is why they have the system now. But think how much less stress you would have if you couldn't constantly go to a portal to worry about green check marks? Give the process some time to work. This will also prepare your future MIDN for the "Navy way". You find out when you find out. Just be ready when the time comes.
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As an old timer, when everything was in black in white, it was kind of nice. I am actually not that old, but that is how it was for us. We applied and waited. We walked to the mail box and back daily. All we could do. I will say, parental involvement was drastically different then as well. I am not sure any of our parents could have told you much about the app, the process or anything. It was even pretty rare to have a parent read our essay. When DODMERB came, we asked them how old we were when we broke our wrist, but that was about it.
 
On the right of the portal, it will say something about decision/offer, or something like that? And you then email/notify that you are interested.

I don't know for sure. Unlike other parents, I actually think I saw my kid's portal in real life maybe 2 or 3 times when wanted to show me something throughout the 2 cycles he did?? Otherwise, it was just text photos of the screen letting me know status when I asked how things were going. I never actually navigated anything on that site. It was my kid's, not mine.
 
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