USNA Class of 2028 Waiting and Speculating

Appointments seem to be trickling in, mostly those with Presidential nominations. Based on prior years, do you supposed these will continue to trickle through the holidays, or at some point those with MOC primary nominations will begin to see appointments? What say you, pundits of the SA Forum?
 
SeePower said:
Appointments seem to be trickling in, mostly those with Presidential nominations. Based on prior years, do you supposed these will continue to trickle through the holidays, or at some point those with MOC primary nominations will begin to see appointments? What say you, pundits of the SA Forum?
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Mose appts come late Jan to mid-March. With a trickle until Mid-April. Each year’s appt threads are out there and show the trends.
 
You have to remember, the candidate does not know what nom that is assigned to their appointment. So while someone might write Presidential, or other, that does not mean that is what they were appointed with in the end.
 
I think @SeePower’s question is about candidates without Presidential or JROTC type nominations.
My kid has an MOC nomination but is probably part of the slate and not the primary. I’m thinking USNA doesn’t have “nomination choices”
for him like they do with the candidates with Presidential noms….
Am I completely off base here or does it make sense that he’ll be waiting even though he has CPR and a nomination?
 
Float4 said:
I think @SeePower’s question is about candidates without Presidential or JROTC type nominations.
My kid has an MOC nomination but is probably part of the slate and not the primary. I’m thinking USNA doesn’t have “nomination choices”
for him like they do with the candidates with Presidential noms….
Am I completely off base here or does it make sense that he’ll be waiting even though he has CPR and a nomination?
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I don’t understand what you are saying.

There are slates for nominating sources like MOC, Presidential, Senators, VP, etc.

Candidates apply for and can be on multiple slates.

The winner of the slates that are 3Q get the offer of appointment.

The ones who get nominations but don’t win the slate - but are 3Q - are placed on a wait list. There are discretionary appointments that these people compete for to balance out the needs of the military.

Just a basic discussion - without getting into the weeds.
 
Float4 said:
I think @SeePower’s question is about candidates without Presidential or JROTC type nominations.
My kid has an MOC nomination but is probably part of the slate and not the primary. I’m thinking USNA doesn’t have “nomination choices”
for him like they do with the candidates with Presidential noms….
Am I completely off base here or does it make sense that he’ll be waiting even though he has CPR and a nomination?
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MOC noms are rolling in now. They will continue through Jan. USNA may provide an appt for someone with a Presidential and then if they qualify for something else move them to a MOC slate. This is happening all the time. As they shift or resolve one slate, it may create a downstream effect. This will happen throughout the next few months. Just because he is CPR does not mean much. It’s great as it means they are complete, but it does not mean they are 3Q. The app could or could not have been reviewed at this point. It could have already been decided on and sitting with the Noms & Appts Committee. None of us know. USNA commits to notifying a candidate by April 15th. Mentally prepare for this and then if you hear earlier, then even better!
 
A1Janitor said:
I don’t understand what you are saying.

There are slates for nominating sources like MOC, Presidential, Senators, VP, etc.

Candidates apply for and can be on multiple slates.

The winner of the slates that are 3Q get the offer of appointment.

The ones who get nominations but don’t win the slate - but are 3Q - are placed on a wait list. There are discretionary appointments that these people compete for to balance out the needs of the military.

Just a basic discussion - without getting into the weeds.
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I think maybe the confusion lies in what we mean by 'winner of the slates.' Does this reference a principal nomination or does this mean the 'winner' chosen by the academies on a competitive slate. Will an academy withhold an appointment for a district even after they choose a winner on a competitive slate while they try to find discretionary nominations for other qualified candidates from that district? Also, do they typically wait to receive the slates from the Senators? In my district our Congressman has announced nominations, but I don't expect Senators to announce until late January.
 
I obviously do not understand the nomination process.
What do you mean when you refer to winning the slate? Is that for a candidate that’s MOC gives a primary nomination or does the Academy decide who the winner is?
This is all new to me. Sorry for the simple questions
 
Holden100 said:
I think maybe the confusion lies in what we mean by 'winner of the slates.' Does this reference a principal nomination or does this mean the 'winner' chosen by the academies on a competitive slate. Will an academy withhold an appointment for a district even after they choose a winner on a competitive slate while they try to find discretionary nominations for other qualified candidates from that district? Also, do they typically wait to receive the slates from the Senators? In my district our Congressman has announced nominations, but I don't expect Senators to announce until late January.
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Principal nominations, as long as they are 3Q, 99% of the time will get an appt. If they are not 3Q, no appt. If you closely review US Code, USNA does not have to appt a principal nom. 99% of the time they do as long as they are 3Q.

As long as a candidate gets a nom, and are not a slate, winner they will then get put on the National Waiting List. US Code dictates the top 150 off the list and then USNA can appoint others as needed to round out a class. This is how you see really competitive districts with a lot of appointees. They have great stats and earn appointments off this NWL.
 
Float4 said:
I obviously do not understand the nomination process.
What do you mean when you refer to winning the slate? Is that for a candidate that’s MOC gives a primary nomination or does the Academy decide who the winner is?
This is all new to me. Sorry for the simple questions
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Recommend you read the Nomination Sticky. It really helps.

A MOC can submit a list (we call it a slate) with up to 10 names. They can submit it with a Principal Nom (this is my candidate and then 9 other names), a list of ranked 1-10, or here are 10 names USNA you pick. The last option is the most common.
 
NavyHoops said:
Principal nominations, as long as they are 3Q, 99% of the time will get an appt. If they are not 3Q, no appt. If you closely review US Code, USNA does not have to appt a principal nom. 99% of the time they do as long as they are 3Q.

As long as a candidate gets a nom, and are not a slate, winner they will then get put on the National Waiting List. US Code dictates the top 150 off the list and then USNA can appoint others as needed to round out a class. This is how you see really competitive districts with a lot of appointees. They have great stats and earn appointments off this NWL.
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Thank you! But what is the typical process for districts that use competitive slates? Do they usually wait for Senator slates?
 
Holden100 said:
I think maybe the confusion lies in what we mean by 'winner of the slates.' Does this reference a principal nomination or does this mean the 'winner' chosen by the academies on a competitive slate. Will an academy withhold an appointment for a district even after they choose a winner on a competitive slate while they try to find discretionary nominations for other qualified candidates from that district? Also, do they typically wait to receive the slates from the Senators? In my district our Congressman has announced nominations, but I don't expect Senators to announce until late January.
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Thanks for posing the question this way. I have the same question. Winner of the slate (from a MOC that does NOT use the principal nomination) is determined by the academy, right? As in, they receive the names put forth by the MOC in no particular order and the SA decides who is the most competitive? So you would only know your the "winner" of the slate if you get an appointment?
 
Holden100 said:
Thank you! But what is the typical process for districts that use competitive slates? Do they usually wait for Senator slates?
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All slates are separate and distinct. They make their own rules.

In NY, for instance, my son got a MOC nomination. He interviewed with the Senators, but didn’t get a nomination from them. He was told they try not to duplicate nominations. He had an LOA and nom, so it didn’t matter to him.

Not sure what using a competitive slate means. I interpret a competitive slate as a slate that has at least two competitive applicants.

Follow @NavyHoops advice and read the sticky posts. Slates can utilize the principal nom, ranked slate, or unranked slate.

IMO - a ranked slate is how the MOC ranks nominees. The SA determines who wins, regardless whether it is a ranked or unranked slate.
 
bethf said:
Thanks for posing the question this way. I have the same question. Winner of the slate (from a MOC that does NOT use the principal nomination) is determined by the academy, right? As in, they receive the names put forth by the MOC in no particular order and the SA decides who is the most competitive? So you would only know your the "winner" of the slate if you get an appointment?
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Basically yes. The last question - not necessarily, as more than one person from the same slate may get appointed.
 
A1Janitor said:
All slates are separate and distinct. They make their own rules.

In NY, for instance, my son got a MOC nomination. He interviewed with the Senators, but didn’t get a nomination from them. He was told they try not to duplicateA nominations. He had an LOA and nom, so it didn’t matter to him.

Not sure what using a competitive slate means. I interpret a competitive slate as a slate that has at least two competitive applicants.

Follow @NavyHoops advice and read the sticky posts. Slates can utilize the principal nom, ranked slate, or unranked slate.

IMO - a ranked slate is how the MOC ranks nominees. The SA determines who wins, regardless whether it is a ranked or unranked slate.
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A competitive slate is one where the MOC says 'here's 10 names, you pick one,' which I understand is most commonly used. Could be a recruited athlete, could be the candidate with the highest overall score...I'm not at all clear on how they pick who wins on an unranked slate. I think folks (me included) have questions on how that works on those slates.
 
Holden100 said:
A competitive slate is one where the MOC says 'here's 10 names, you pick one,' which I understand is most commonly used. Could be a recruited athlete, could be the candidate with the highest overall score...I'm not at all clear on how they pick who wins on an unranked slate. I think folks (me included) have questions on how that works on those slates.
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None of us know. Most of us assume it’s the highest score wins. But that is just an assumption. And a recruited athlete could be that person. I have seen some recruited athletes with amazing stats.
 
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