2 Week Fleet Standard ROM

How is the medical care for the sick?

Are there any hospitalizations?
 
20USNA23 said:
By way of context, I had run respectively, 10 miles on Monday, 9.5 miles on Tuesday and another 6+ miles in the cold and rain on Wednesday (tapering down for the PRT that was ultimately cancelled)
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So you're one of those mids...

All kidding aside, I hope you recover quickly. PM me if there is any way I can help or get stuff passed through ISO watch standers.
 
20USNA23 said:
Your take is dangerous, devoid of empathy, moronic and offensive. It also just pisses me off.

I'm a current Mid and woke up this past Thursday, feeling like I was hit by a train. By Thursday afternoon after testing positive, I literally got winded moving my gear up 3 flights of stairs when I moved into ISO.

Mind you, I'm in pretty good shape -- about 5% body fat and regularly max the PRT. By way of context, I had run respectively, 10 miles on Monday, 9.5 miles on Tuesday and another 6+ miles in the cold and rain on Wednesday (tapering down for the PRT that was ultimately cancelled) the day before getting sick -- all without getting too winded. On Thursday, I literally had trouble getting up the stairs.

Since testing positive, it's only gotten worse. I can't get warm and stop shivering. My resting heart rate, normally in the low 60's -- was as high as 106. I ache all over and have a pounding headache and feel like I have fog in my brain. Fortunately my O2 sats are stable -- but definitly down.

I'm not alone -- we are currently talking about ***hundreds*** of symptomatic and really sick Mids right now . This doesn't include the asymptomatic, positive ones.

But you felt compelled to write, "The virus doesn't affect these college kids." What's wrong with you?

I get that Bancroft is a congregate setting and implementing public health measures is super challenging. I also know that there are a ton of sick Mids right now who like, me were beyond precautious (including double masking) -- but the new VOC (variants of concern including B1.117) are super virulent and when you are in PE classes together, sharing bathrooms, training etc. transmission is going to happen.

At this point, lovetheheat, your probably saying, "my point exactly" -- just let the virus rip through the Brigade because you can't stop it. Same laissez-faire attitude that lead to how many unnecessary deaths among the more than 500K dead in the U.S.?

The situation sucks. I'm worried about my short-term health -- but I'm equally worried about any long-term sequelae that are impossible to forecast because of the novelty of this virus and subsequent disease. At the same time, leadership here is truly doing the best they can -- short of shutting down USNA all together and sending the Brigade home. The move to hard rom earlier tonight was a necessary and responsible step. I'm incredibly thankful that we have leaders of character and intellect like the Supe and Dant in charge -- versus someone like you.

lovetheheat -- come join me in ISO for a few days so you can get infected -- or better yet -- send your college kid to room with me for a few days if this is how you truly feel.

Easy for you to be cavalier a**hole on a message board -- ain't it?

ovetheheat, you know the difference between you and me?

I wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy or you, or your college kid. And unlike you, I would be up for doing anything I could (while still allowing for the our USNA mission to continue) that would help slow or stop the transmission so that no other person would have to go thru this.
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I appreciate your frontline report. Thinking about you and sick shipmates, it’s no fun to be in a school setting and be that sick. I hope the worst part doesn’t last long, that your recovery to a full up round is swift and sure.
 
We forget sometimes that mids and cadets, while young and healthy, can also have compromised immune systems due to the unusual stresses they face day to day and week to week.

DD had a hellish last week, in which she barely got three hours of sleep each night. She had four midterms, duties for her current billet, meetings for her summer billet, the PRT and a dentist appointment to boot.

After maxing out last semester’s PRT run, she said she was so exhausted this time that she couldn’t will herself into a final-lap kick, finishing 20 seconds from maxing out again. She called me near midnight her time last Friday to tell me all this. Best I could tell, she was too tired to sleep. Under normal circumstances, she likely would’ve spent the weekend sacked out at her sponsor’s house. Alas, not allowed due to ROM.

Her experience is hardly unusual among mids and cadets. Tough bunch, they are.
 
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Out of curiosity, does anyone know if plebe summer will be conducted similarly this summer to last year? Or, are they planning on implementing any changes now that we have more information and experience with the virus?

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tweety_bird said:
Out of curiosity, does anyone know if plebe summer will be conducted similarly this summer to last year? Or, are they planning on implementing any changes now that we have more information and experience with the virus?

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As much as we would like to speculate about plebe summer, the leadership focus has to be on commissioning current 1/C’s into the fleet and getting training for all other mids. As excited as you may be (deservedly so) about plebe summer the needs of the Navy have to take precedent and the immediate needs of the fleet will take priority.
 
Heatherg21 said:
As much as we would like to speculate about plebe summer, the leadership focus has to be on commissioning current 1/C’s into the fleet and getting training for all other mids. As excited as you may be (deservedly so) about plebe summer the needs of the Navy have to take precedent and the immediate needs of the fleet will take priority.
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Thanks! I know I’m jumping the gun, but I was curious if there had been any news.
 
MidCakePa said:
We forget sometimes that mids and cadets, while young and healthy, can also have compromised immune systems due to the unusual stresses they face day to day and week to week.

DD had a hellish last week, in which she barely got three hours of sleep each night. She had four midterms, duties for her current billet, meetings for her summer billet, the PRT and a dentist appointment to boot.

After maxing out last semester’s PRT run, she said she was so exhausted this time that she couldn’t will herself into a final-lap kick, finishing 20 seconds from maxing out again. She called me near midnight her time last Friday to tell me all this. Best I could tell, she was too tired to sleep. Under normal circumstances, she likely would’ve spent the weekend sacked out at her sponsor’s house. Alas, not allowed due to ROM.

Her experience is hardly unusual among mids and cadets. Tough bunch, they are.
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This expierence is different for each MIDN. Talked to my 3C DS last night. He sounded good, Exams went really well, took a couple hour break Sunday, He's looking forward to the weather improving-seems to be coping well. Says a couple of MIDS are struggling with ROM, no liberty etc. All MIDS should support each other. Hopefully this will be the last ROM. Don't Give Up The Ship.
 
Heatherg21 said:
As much as we would like to speculate about plebe summer, the leadership focus has to be on commissioning current 1/C’s into the fleet and getting training for all other mids. As excited as you may be (deservedly so) about plebe summer the needs of the Navy have to take precedent and the immediate needs of the fleet will take priority.
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Actually the Plebe Summer chain of command has indeed already begun preparation for the scheme of maneuver. Staffs have been set and tentative schedules are being laid out. There will be some similarities to last year, including ROM and company “bubbles” to minimize cross-company interactions and contaminations. However the OIC is also instituting some changes to remedy what he saw as insufficient discipline during the training last year. (He is a Marine after all!) The Dant’s staff and Brigade Medical have learned a ton from executing Plebe Summer last year so I would expect this summer to be more efficient than last year’s.

The O-6 in charge of Plebe Summer is different from the O-6 in charge of Quarantines and Isolation. We walk and chew gum at the same time here!
 
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20USNA23 said:
Your take is dangerous, devoid of empathy, moronic and offensive. It also just pisses me off.

I'm a current Mid and woke up this past Thursday, feeling like I was hit by a train. By Thursday afternoon after testing positive, I literally got winded moving my gear up 3 flights of stairs when I moved into ISO.

Mind you, I'm in pretty good shape -- about 5% body fat and regularly max the PRT. By way of context, I had run respectively, 10 miles on Monday, 9.5 miles on Tuesday and another 6+ miles in the cold and rain on Wednesday (tapering down for the PRT that was ultimately cancelled) the day before getting sick -- all without getting too winded. On Thursday, I literally had trouble getting up the stairs.

Since testing positive, it's only gotten worse. I can't get warm and stop shivering. My resting heart rate, normally in the low 60's -- was as high as 106. I ache all over and have a pounding headache and feel like I have fog in my brain. Fortunately my O2 sats are stable -- but definitly down.

I'm not alone -- we are currently talking about ***hundreds*** of symptomatic and really sick Mids right now . This doesn't include the asymptomatic, positive ones.

But you felt compelled to write, "The virus doesn't affect these college kids." What's wrong with you?

I get that Bancroft is a congregate setting and implementing public health measures is super challenging. I also know that there are a ton of sick Mids right now who like, me were beyond precautious (including double masking) -- but the new VOC (variants of concern including B1.117) are super virulent and when you are in PE classes together, sharing bathrooms, training etc. transmission is going to happen.

At this point, lovetheheat, your probably saying, "my point exactly" -- just let the virus rip through the Brigade because you can't stop it. Same laissez-faire attitude that lead to how many unnecessary deaths among the more than 500K dead in the U.S.?

The situation sucks. I'm worried about my short-term health -- but I'm equally worried about any long-term sequelae that are impossible to forecast because of the novelty of this virus and subsequent disease. At the same time, leadership here is truly doing the best they can -- short of shutting down USNA all together and sending the Brigade home. The move to hard rom earlier tonight was a necessary and responsible step. I'm incredibly thankful that we have leaders of character and intellect like the Supe and Dant in charge -- versus someone like you.

lovetheheat -- come join me in ISO for a few days so you can get infected -- or better yet -- send your college kid to room with me for a few days if this is how you truly feel.

Easy for you to be cavalier a**hole on a message board -- ain't it?

ovetheheat, you know the difference between you and me?

I wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy or you, or your college kid. And unlike you, I would be up for doing anything I could (while still allowing for the our USNA mission to continue) that would help slow or stop the transmission so that no other person would have to go thru this.
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Feel better soon! My kid is positive too, but not feeling too sick (at least so far). This truly affects everyone differently.

Lots of people care about you from afar and are sending all kids of of positive thoughts. Wish we could do more.
 
justdoit19 said:
.... They are finding this go around to have more illness. Mids ARE sick. There is suspicion this may be one of the variants, and it’s affecting them differently.
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Yes. The Brigade Medical LT who checked my son out of COVID ISO last Weds told him he most likely had a variant because they were seeing a lot more really sick (high temperatures) midshipmen than they had with COVID positives in the past.
 
rickdunnjr said:
All MIDS should support each other....
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One silver lining to last night's "shame chat" ... instead of blaming each other, my Plebe said the mids are bonding together in rejection of the blame they got from the Dant in the zoom call. My son pointed out that the chief medical officer's comments did not cite liberty behavior as the cause of the outbreak. These next 2 weeks ae going to be rough, but they don't appear to be turning on each other.
 
03USMC13 said:
I am hopeful that Mids will be prioritized and vaccinated sooner rather than later (
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Unfortunately, SA Mids and cadets are seen as college students for readiness planning...not yet "active duty" in terms of prioritization. On parent FB groups, we're hearing that units getting ready to deploy are getting vaccinated (like the Ike Strike group and a few subs cited by parents). My son overheard chatter last week in Brigade Medical that USNA is slated for sometime late April--they are putting together logistical plans, etc.
 
I would like understanding of why officers, professors, etc. are allowed on and off campus to bring the brigade all their contagion, and why parents and sponsors have still been let on for the most part. It’s not a very controlled environment.
 
crazydaisy1321 said:
I would like understanding of why officers, professors, etc. are allowed on and off campus to bring the brigade all their contagion, and why parents and sponsors have still been let on for the most part. It’s not a very controlled environment.
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Only the most senior officers live on the Yard. Civilian profs, company officers, military instructors, senior enlisted advisors, civilian food service contractors and other civilian employees, alll live off-Yard. Social distancing and masks are encouraged and required. It’s a calculated risk. The mission is still to graduate new junior officers on time.
As for parents and sponsors, I know many sponsors stepped back this year, and there was a shortage of about 200 sponsors. We took no plebes. Our sponsor mids do driveway visits with us, well-spaced.we haven’t had a mid in our home in over a year, a first since 1996. One can only hope the parents and sponsors who do go on the Yard have been diligent in their precautions.
Congregate living is a challenge in and of itself.
 
ThereseInDenver said:
Unfortunately, SA Mids and cadets are seen as college students for readiness planning...not yet "active duty" in terms of prioritization. On parent FB groups, we're hearing that units getting ready to deploy are getting vaccinated (like the Ike Strike group and a few subs cited by parents). My son overheard chatter last week in Brigade Medical that USNA is slated for sometime late April--they are putting together logistical plans, etc.
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Hopefully, given the prevalence of health conditions being attributed to C19 infection (such as heart complications), the DoD will move up Mids on the vaccine prioritization (if they are able to (i.e. vaccine availability) to mitigate future issues for these soon-to-be officers. Fingers crossed for April or sooner.
 
ThereseInDenver said:
Unfortunately, SA Mids and cadets are seen as college students for readiness planning...not yet "active duty" in terms of prioritization. On parent FB groups, we're hearing that units getting ready to deploy are getting vaccinated (like the Ike Strike group and a few subs cited by parents). My son overheard chatter last week in Brigade Medical that USNA is slated for sometime late April--they are putting together logistical plans, etc.
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I thought the Supe's message back in late fall mentioned that they were classified the same priority as a Carrier group. Did something change?
 
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