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justme said:
I thought the Supe's message back in late fall mentioned that they were classified the same priority as a Carrier group. Did something change?
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Yes that's what he said in the video. I imagine that the "Tiers" now have sub-priorities. At any rate, I assume that leadership at the Yard and in the different commands (where MIDN train during the summer blocks), would prefer that MIDN have vaccines. I would assume it's particularly difficult for Plebes and to some extent the 3C who did not have any summer training. All this is out of my control...what I can do is to positively support the few MIDN I have contact with. "Hang in there, it's a once in a life time situation (I hope). Don't Give Up the Ship."
 
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@Capt MJ I think is absolutely correct in her reasoning. Right now, instructors, AD on base, and athletes all come and go, by the very nature of not being able to totally isolate a facility for long periods it is going to open up the door so to speak for the virus to get onto the Academy grounds. No matter what the leadership does, it is virtually impossible (even sending students home for remote learning) to commission duty ready 0-1's without in-person training and exercises. It is what it is right now, even after vaccinating the entire population I believe there will be variants and new strains of things that come to be that cause issues. What we all need to do is support the academies and ROTC programs and their students, hope that the students "in the pipeline" come to get the necessary training and experience to be successful upon commissioning, and hope that the vaccines out now and in the pipeline are successful at allowing everyone to move forward. And for those students, wherever they may be that are either positive with symptoms, asymptomatic, or negative they need our support and help, not blame.
 
It is strange to me that when they take them somewhere en masse (like Plebes to the Baseball game), they shut down the highway the buses are on (ostensibly because the Midshipmen are a National Security Asset), but the government can't come up with a few thousand doses of vaccine for them.

For that matter, there are only 2.4 million people in our military (reserves included) and they aren't vaccinated yet? Why not?
 
THParent said:
they shut down the highway the buses are on (ostensibly because the Midshipmen are a National Security Asset)
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That sounds like a "kid rumor". They don't shut down the highways when the big caravan goes to the A/N game. The police
can and do close of some side street crossings to let the caravan get by or it would totally snarl traffic for a lot more time. I
often see this done for large funerals

I agree about the vaccine, it is a huge free for all with every group and claimancy saying that they should be first.
 
OldRetSWO said:
That sounds like a "kid rumor". They don't shut down the highways when the big caravan goes to the A/N game. The police
can and do close of some side street crossings to let the caravan get by or it would totally snarl traffic for a lot more time. I
often see this done for large funerals

I agree about the vaccine, it is a huge free for all with every group and claimancy saying that they should be first.
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I don't know if they still do, but they definitely used to shut down the highway for our busses up to Philly for army navy. Entire highway closed off with police escorts and on ramps blocked off.
 
read this today in a news article: "So far, the military has acquired nearly 1,276,000 doses, and given almost 1,145,000 shots. About 735,000 of the shots were initial doses, and 409,000 were second doses."

so, it looks like they're making their way though the Armed Forces pretty well, maybe half of active duty so far? i also read that about 1/3 of active duty are refusing the vaccine, and that as soon as it gets full FDA approval it will be mandatory (not surprising).
 
20USNA23 said:
Your take is dangerous, devoid of empathy, moronic and offensive. It also just pisses me off.

I'm a current Mid and woke up this past Thursday, feeling like I was hit by a train. By Thursday afternoon after testing positive, I literally got winded moving my gear up 3 flights of stairs when I moved into ISO.

Mind you, I'm in pretty good shape -- about 5% body fat and regularly max the PRT. By way of context, I had run respectively, 10 miles on Monday, 9.5 miles on Tuesday and another 6+ miles in the cold and rain on Wednesday (tapering down for the PRT that was ultimately cancelled) the day before getting sick -- all without getting too winded. On Thursday, I literally had trouble getting up the stairs.

Since testing positive, it's only gotten worse. I can't get warm and stop shivering. My resting heart rate, normally in the low 60's -- was as high as 106. I ache all over and have a pounding headache and feel like I have fog in my brain. Fortunately my O2 sats are stable -- but definitly down.

I'm not alone -- we are currently talking about ***hundreds*** of symptomatic and really sick Mids right now . This doesn't include the asymptomatic, positive ones.

But you felt compelled to write, "The virus doesn't affect these college kids." What's wrong with you?

I get that Bancroft is a congregate setting and implementing public health measures is super challenging. I also know that there are a ton of sick Mids right now who like, me were beyond precautious (including double masking) -- but the new VOC (variants of concern including B1.117) are super virulent and when you are in PE classes together, sharing bathrooms, training etc. transmission is going to happen.

At this point, lovetheheat, your probably saying, "my point exactly" -- just let the virus rip through the Brigade because you can't stop it. Same laissez-faire attitude that lead to how many unnecessary deaths among the more than 500K dead in the U.S.?

The situation sucks. I'm worried about my short-term health -- but I'm equally worried about any long-term sequelae that are impossible to forecast because of the novelty of this virus and subsequent disease. At the same time, leadership here is truly doing the best they can -- short of shutting down USNA all together and sending the Brigade home. The move to hard rom earlier tonight was a necessary and responsible step. I'm incredibly thankful that we have leaders of character and intellect like the Supe and Dant in charge -- versus someone like you.

lovetheheat -- come join me in ISO for a few days so you can get infected -- or better yet -- send your college kid to room with me for a few days if this is how you truly feel.

Easy for you to be cavalier a**hole on a message board -- ain't it?

ovetheheat, you know the difference between you and me?

I wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy or you, or your college kid. And unlike you, I would be up for doing anything I could (while still allowing for the our USNA mission to continue) that would help slow or stop the transmission so that no other person would have to go thru this.
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First, this is very well stated considering you are currently battling the virus with what sounds like quite a number of other Midshipmen. I hope you and the others emerge from isolation with no long term issues. I'll keep you all in my prayers.

If you can, get a hot water bottle and wrap up with it close to your chest, that may help fend of the chills.

That being said, "The virus doesn't affect these college kids" is the most ridiculous statement I've read today (and I'm a lawyer, so that's quite the statement to make). My niece contracted COVID over the summer and was down for 5 weeks. The 6th through 9th week she only worked half days as the fatigue was unrelenting.

www.usna.edu

USNA TEMPORARILY MOVES MIDSHIPMEN TO LOCAL HOTEL TO INCREASE SOCIAL DISTANCING IN DORMITORY

USNA TEMPORARILY MOVES MIDSHIPMEN TO LOCAL HOTEL TO INCREASE SOCIAL DISTANCING IN DORMITORY page for USNA News Center at USNA.edu. Updated Sat Apr 06 11:53:46 EDT 2024.
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For the trip to the Bowie Baysox game, they close the highway when they are going to the game, and coming back from the game. They do this every year.
 
justme said:
I thought the Supe's message back in late fall mentioned that they were classified the same priority as a Carrier group. Did something change?
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They might still have the priory of "a" Carrier group...just not as high as a group about to deploy or on workups.
 
My DS said they had the same DoD priority as incarcerated prisoners- but the may have been midshipman hyperbole (i.e. BS).
 
justme said:
I thought the Supe's message back in late fall mentioned that they were classified the same priority as a Carrier group. Did something change?
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I was on that meeting with the Supe. He made it very clear that the Mids are at this priority-level. Of course that meeting was in October. That was a long time ago in Covid years...
 
brewmeist said:
I was on that meeting with the Supe. He made it very clear that the Mids are at this priority-level. Of course that meeting was in October. That was a long time ago in Covid years...
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Yep I heard it too. In fact it was Emphasized. I suppose at the time, that was the case....not now.

However, with the new vax, I pray things start moving.
 
ders_dad said:
My DS said they had the same DoD priority as incarcerated prisoners- but the may have been midshipman hyperbole (i.e. BS).
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Back in the age of wooden ships, prisoners were often pressed into naval service — as oarsmen, gunners, sailing crew. So there might be some logic to this.
 
THParent said:
It is strange to me that when they take them somewhere en masse (like Plebes to the Baseball game), they shut down the highway the buses are on (ostensibly because the Midshipmen are a National Security Asset), but the government can't come up with a few thousand doses of vaccine for them.

For that matter, there are only 2.4 million people in our military (reserves included) and they aren't vaccinated yet? Why not?
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My understanding reading articles and speaking with people more in the know than I am is that the problem RIGHT NOW is that the vaccines have been approved for Emergency Use and the military cannot make shots mandatory until full approval by the FDA. They have plenty of doses, but members can "opt out" until such time as the vaccines are fully approved. At that point the military leadership can force members to get vaccinated, just like with deployments currently and needed vaccines. But until they are fully approved the government cannot force anyone to take the shots. So until full FDA Approval (I have heard anywhere from July to the end of the year) it is what it is and we have to help deal with the situation.
 
Impulsive said:
My understanding reading articles and speaking with people more in the know than I am is that the problem RIGHT NOW is that the vaccines have been approved for Emergency Use and the military cannot make shots mandatory until full approval by the FDA. They have plenty of doses, but members can "opt out" until such time as the vaccines are fully approved. At that point the military leadership can force members to get vaccinated, just like with deployments currently and needed vaccines. But until they are fully approved the government cannot force anyone to take the shots. So until full FDA Approval (I have heard anywhere from July to the end of the year) it is what it is and we have to help deal with the situation.
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Yes, the "opt out" is an option (no pun intended) versus making it a requirement. That being said, like all adults once vaccine is available the Mids should (my opinion) still be eligible to opt in or out. There might be other DoD policy preventing Mid/Cadet vaccination other than availability- but I do not believe it is the EUA status (before deployment I had a plethora of vaccines that weren't otherwise required, they might have all been FDA approved though, not sure). Availability should increase with J&J EUA coming on line. I was actually quite concerned about a recent article citing the number of active service members that have opted out. All my .02 and probably worth about as much.
 
ders_dad said:
My DS said they had the same DoD priority as incarcerated prisoners- but the may have been midshipman hyperbole (i.e. BS).
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Actually that would be a pretty high priority. In NJ, they brought vaccine to the Prisons before they were even done with the state Veterans Nursing homes. Well before they even started the age 75 and over or lower pri groups.
 
THParent said:
For the trip to the Bowie Baysox game, they close the highway when they are going to the game, and coming back from the game. They do this every year.
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You and I have different definitions of what a road closer is. I've actually driven next to the Army/Navy caravan that is reported to also be a closed road.
 
Most operational commands will fall under either strategic forces/homeland defense or deploying units (1B1 through 1B3). The difference between 1B and 1C is significant.

Aside from the ships being built and the ships torn apart in the yards for something like RCOH, there isn't a ship that isn't preparing to deploy OCONUS.
 
@20USNA23 I hope you are feeling better. Sounds like you and other Mids were hit hard. Most of us are on these forums because we are sincerely pulling for you and want updates in order to pray for or support your mission. You are an amazing group of young adults. Thank you for the updates on your condition. Let us know, if you can, any further news.
That said, I do understand that @lovetheheat "pissed (you) off" but a little understanding (less name calling) may help. The comment may have been badly stated but statistically young people do have fantastic recovery rates.
No one wants Mids sick, but there are different views on what will get you guys to full strength the fastest. Herd immunity is an accepted approach. Many states have adopted less stringent protocols and been more successful than locked down states. We are learning. It is possible that the isolation dance is prolonging the misery.

So, that's my peace making attempt for the day. We are on your side!
 
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