Any CPR receive TWE?

[WIMOM]

I know... Either way, I know he will have to take a breath and see how it feels. I have heard "I will reapp" and I have heard "I will keep the NROTC" path. My gut leans toward reapp but I dunno. I think we need to get "out of the spin cycle" before he (and we) know what he will choose if it comes to that. We keep the faith but I dont wait well .

My DS felt the reapplying the 2nd time was much easier as he had done it before. Quite the paper trail and more difficult when one is away at college. He seemed more confident and calm the 2nd time around.

 

[ImpatientMom]

I've been a CPR with two nominations for months.

April 15th you will know something. Could wait longer if waitlisted on April 15.

I may have to be committed by then. I dont wait well at all.

 

[Daisypuff72]

Praying for NC answers.....

 

[parent]

@Dr. Strange Love I understand your willingness to offer your opinions on this forum. May I please ask where you are getting your information? Your comments "Is his SAT on 1 date (one sitting, not super scored), or is it a Super Score of more than 1 date? .... Better if it is One sitting, because it shows that he can Concentrate very well for 3.5 hours straight .... Even better if a kid takes it One time before his/her senior year, and knocks it out of the park --- the SAT/ACT is the Great Equalizer, and One-Sitting scores are Far better than Super Scores --- Schools can see if the SAT/ACT is treated like a game. Our daughter took it one time in her Junior year, and it was enough --- Move on." IMHO you are giving some opinions as fact that are not true. I look forward to your reply. Please understand I am not being argumentative or trying to start a problem just curious where you received your info.

 

[justdoit19]

Two DS’s have (are) applied. BOTH have been told directly FROM USNA (actually in writing in an email) to ‘test often. And both SAT/ACT as they super score even between different tests (ACT/SAT). So that is fact. From USNA.

 

[Dr. Strange Love]

@Dr. Strange Love I understand your willingness to offer your opinions on this forum. May I please ask where you are getting your information? Your comments "Is his SAT on 1 date (one sitting, not super scored), or is it a Super Score of more than 1 date? .... Better if it is One sitting, because it shows that he can Concentrate very well for 3.5 hours straight .... Even better if a kid takes it One time before his/her senior year, and knocks it out of the park --- the SAT/ACT is the Great Equalizer, and One-Sitting scores are Far better than Super Scores --- Schools can see if the SAT/ACT is treated like a game. Our daughter took it one time in her Junior year, and it was enough --- Move on." IMHO you are giving some opinions as fact that are not true. I look forward to your reply. Please understand I am not being argumentative or trying to start a problem just curious where you received your info.

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I agree. This is worth a few test cases, and the audience can decide which is more favorable. The brain is an Engine, and Requires energy, and it gets tired. So longer prolonged intense brain function is more challenging than shorter brain activity with rest. Longer tests are like Marathons. The game is really easier if Super Scoring is allowed. The user has less anxiety, and can focus all their Practice and Energy on one sections only (Math or EBRW). I will use SAT for the few examples below:

User 1: School allows Super Scoring and User is only interested in Improving EBRW or Math, but does not need to improve both (eggs in one basket)

• Improve Math only: User trains weeks before test on Math portion only. User sits idle/resting through the first EBRW sections, guesses and puts their head down, or relaxes and tries moderately -- the goal is to conserve energy for the next section which is Math. They can review Math during the EBRW section if they want, doodling on free space .... The goal is to be Ready for the Math section as fresh as possible, eyes wide open.
• Improve EBRW only: User trains weeks before test on EBRW sections. I believe user can walk out after they complete the 2nd Math section (quickly guesses at all the answers).
• SAT Date #1: User gets 700 EBRW, 500 Math
• SAT Date #2: User gets 500 EBRW, 700 Math
• Super Score Result: 1400

User 2: School may or may not allow Super Score, but user only submits tests on a Single Date

• Takes test one time: 700 EBRW, 690 Math, 1390 combined.

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If you were choosing between User 1 or User 2, which one would you pick?

 

[ders_dad]

Two DS’s have (are) applied. BOTH have been told directly FROM USNA (actually in writing in an email) to ‘test often. And both SAT/ACT as they super score even between different tests (ACT/SAT). So that is fact. From USNA.

This has been our understanding as well - USNA doesn't care if it is one test or 6 tests - they superscore and consider only Math and English - they also superscore between SAT and ACT.

A single-sitting test score will probably matter to MOCs - in our case, the MOCs asked for ACT/SAT directly from the testing boards. It also probably matters for most civilian schools, as they typically do not superscore.

Let me also speculate that USNA probably does look favorably on a candidate who takes many tests to improve the superscore - shows determination and grit.

 

[Dr. Strange Love]

Two DS’s have (are) applied. BOTH have been told directly FROM USNA (actually in writing in an email) to ‘test often. And both SAT/ACT as they super score even between different tests (ACT/SAT). So that is fact. From USNA.

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The USNA Policy that you state is correct -- there is nothing wrong with the Policy. But, if you were on the Review board and 2 candidates had Identical Characteristic Quantities, but one candidate required a Super Score to get a 1400, while the other candidate only required one date (sitting) to get 1400… which candidate do you pick?
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[brewmeist]

If you were choosing between User 1 or User 2, which one would you pick?

It doesn't matter which one any of us would pick. It only matters which one admissions would pick, and according to admissions, they superscore.
I would also suggest to User 1 and User 2 to take the test again if they can afford it. 1390 and 1400 are great scores, but there's room for improvement.

 

[Old Navy BGO]

If you were choosing between User 1 or User 2, which one would you pick?

It doesn't matter which one any of us would pick. It only matters which one admissions would pick, and according to admissions, they superscore.
I would also suggest to User 1 and User 2 to take the test again if they can afford it. 1390 and 1400 are great scores, but there's room for improvement.

I don't disagree with Strangelove's theory, but this is a USNA Admissions Forum, and its wrong. The guidance has been clear, USNA Admissions superscores, and there is no reason to believe to the contrary. However, the fallacy of the suggestion that someone take the ACT/SAT as many times as possible (or they can afford) is two fold: 1) Plan B schools may hold it against you, and 2) unless you do something different (i.e. take a prep course, take practice tests, etc), there is probably a limited return. The tests are designed to give a consistent result, and for the most part, you won't see significant changes over time.

I have raised the issue of someone playing the system like Strangelove describes (i.e. focused effort on one section only) before. It is entirely possible, and may result in improved scores. However, keep in mind that USNA Admissions isn't stupid and can exercise discretion -- if someone submits a 700/200 on one test, and a 200/700 on the next, I would expect that to be noticed and raise some interesting discussion at the Admission Board.

Bottom line, take the tests as many times as you realistically think you can improve, and don't try to be cute and game the system.

 

[justdoit19]

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The USNA Policy that you state is correct -- there is nothing wrong with the Policy. But, if you were on the Review board and 2 candidates had Identical Characteristic Quantities, but one candidate required a Super Score to get a 1400, while the other candidate only required one date (sitting) to get 1400… which candidate do you pick?
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Doesn’t matter because this scenario doesn’t happen. Also doesn’t matter BC I’m not on the review board. MAYBE it has once or twice, but I highly doubt it. And certainly not enough for it to be even a blip on the radar of an applicant. If it mattered, USNA would not ENCOURAGE MULTIPLE TESTING. And the WOULDN’T superscore as standard policy practice. There are simply too many other moving pieces of the puzzle to narrow a choice down to one or more sittings.

I’m with advice above. Take it as many times as you think you can improve your score. And as also noted, they can tell if your strategy is to study only for one section at a time. They are pretty good at this!!!

 

[fullspeedahead]

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The USNA Policy that you state is correct -- there is nothing wrong with the Policy. But, if you were on the Review board and 2 candidates had Identical Characteristic Quantities, but one candidate required a Super Score to get a 1400, while the other candidate only required one date (sitting) to get 1400… which candidate do you pick?
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I pick the first candidate who retook the SAT because they worked to improve their score while the other candidate gave up.

 

[Dr. Strange Love]

DS has two noms as well. Our kids sound very similar accept DS took ACT with a 35. I am learning that a very high caliber of kid gets into USNA. I think NC is also very competitive. Hoping the best for all

NAPS is the USNA (Foundation is too for all practical purposes …. Just the 5 year plan instead of the 4 year plan.
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The Job of Admissions/Slating is Constructing/Building Classes (class of ….. ). It makes No difference how the Candidate got there.
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[mmtex]

I am a mom that is about to lose it waiting. DS is handling it better than I am. We have been CPR since October. Senator and Congressman nominations. Husband said if no TWE we are still in the running. Plan B is to do Auburn Engineering with NROTC. Funny thing though, DS is ambitious so going in with 33 credit hours due to APs. Just found out NROTC is not an option going in since the most credit hours completed they will take for scholarship is 30. He plans to do NRTOC anyway with scholarship 2nd semester. He has scholarship offers and accepted to Auburn, Virgina Tech Corps of Cadets, honors college and pre-engineering, has the same at Purdue as well as NC state(in state school). DS did CVW and NASS and has SAT 1450(760Math, 690verbal), 4.6 weighted GPA/3.69 unweighted GPA). We wait..... Is it true he would NOT be a typical NAPS candidate due to excelling in Math and NOT offered Foundation school due to excelling in English? He was told that but I find it very odd. Thoughts???

I dunno about NAPS/Foundation, and can’t speak for sure about Auburn, but I know that Texas A&M he would not HAVE to use all 33 hours of AP credit, especially if it’s not towards his major. Dunno how Auburn is but he might still be able to start off with the NROTC scholarship starting in the fall semester

 

[NavyHoops]

Agree to talk with the PMS at Auburn. Regardless of his AP credits he should be able to use his scholarship. The issue is they want to see a 4 year plan as NROTC is a 4 year plan. As an engineering student it might open up his schedule to be a little lighter, maybe add a minor or take other courses he wouldn’t be able to otherwise.

 

[RAI923]

I am a mom that is about to lose it waiting. DS is handling it better than I am. We have been CPR since October. Senator and Congressman nominations. Husband said if no TWE we are still in the running. Plan B is to do Auburn Engineering with NROTC. Funny thing though, DS is ambitious so going in with 33 credit hours due to APs. Just found out NROTC is not an option going in since the most credit hours completed they will take for scholarship is 30. He plans to do NRTOC anyway with scholarship 2nd semester. He has scholarship offers and accepted to Auburn, Virgina Tech Corps of Cadets, honors college and pre-engineering, has the same at Purdue as well as NC state(in state school). DS did CVW and NASS and has SAT 1450(760Math, 690verbal), 4.6 weighted GPA/3.69 unweighted GPA). We wait..... Is it true he would NOT be a typical NAPS candidate due to excelling in Math and NOT offered Foundation school due to excelling in English? He was told that but I find it very odd. Thoughts???

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He has good individual SAT #'s .... Is his SAT on 1 date (one sitting, not super scored), or is it a Super Score of more than 1 date? .... Better if it is One sitting, because it shows that he can Concentrate very well for 3.5 hours straight .... Even better if a kid takes it One time before his/her senior year, and knocks it out of the park --- the SAT/ACT is the Great Equalizer, and One-Sitting scores are Far better than Super Scores --- Schools can see if the SAT/ACT is treated like a game. Our daughter took it one time in her Junior year, and it was enough --- Move on.

If his grades in Calculus were C or low B, and his Physics or Chemistry were B's or C's ... he can be offered NAPS, because he has a High Math score, but may have been too busy to give the Classes what he needed (Billion activities like my daughter), or needs a Kick-in-Butt when it comes to HW and Studying.
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BTW: Grades were Not a big thing with me and my wife. I had No idea what our daughter's GPA/Class Rank was until last Summer before this Senior year. I always told her that she was doing great --- Man, was I in for a Surprise when I saw her class rank last summer before this senior year --- I had a long discussion with the Director of counseling in her school about this last summer. There are too many Abilities that do not show up on GPA -- For example, how often they win Writing Competitions; how does the Kid rank in the Piano Student Guild (how well can they play Chopin's Waltz in A minor, my personal favorite), and on and on and on. Encouraging your kid to take all the Challenging courses and doing "Reasonably well" (C or better) is the most important thing. Keeping your kid busy on many things (the whole person) is the Most important thing. You can find things that they really excel at ... who knew that our daughter would like 4-H and the Sheep club Farm duties throughout MS and part of HS.
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Naval academy doesn’t care about how many times you take SAT

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Well ... This coin definitely has more than one side
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1. There is the "SAT/ACT portion of the Class Portrait" side of the coin -- so, naturally, every school would want their Pool of Applicants to take the exam many times to improve the Distribution.
2. Then there is the SAT/ACT Competitive Aspect, how your scores compare to another applicant that you are being slated against.
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If a kid took an SAT one time in the 8th grade and received a 650/650, don't think for minute that this would not be looked at very highly when it comes to shuffling (ignoring the class portrait PR element).
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He took SAT's twice end of Jr year= 760/660 the 730/690. Took SAT first time at end of 10th grade and scored a 1360. Loads of extra-curriculars with Eagle Scout. Has a 3 page resume with few school awards mostly state ones and national ones. I had to also look at the GPA as DS handles that. I honestly never look. Sports and band. we asked about 33 credits from AP and school gave a partical academic scholarship. NROTC folks will not budge on the restriction. We wait with the whole lot of other people.

Any kid with decent SAT/ACT scores, like your son, could be a candidate for NAPS/Foundation if it could improve his courses in Math/Physics/Chemistry/English .... Like I said, if his grades were C's and B's in all these subjects, and he has the "Whole Person Thing" going, then NAPS/Foundation will do him good .... This doesn't sound like your son though, fortunately or unfortunately.
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When we started this process, I actually thought NAPS would be a great choice for him and wished we could check that box. He's a young senior. He's done well but our AP Physics/Chemistry teacher left this year after sustaining a massive heart attack in August which left him without those 2 classes even though he took honors Chemistry. All I know is EVERY day there is not a TWE, I rejoice and count the remaining days.

I am a mom that is about to lose it waiting. DS is handling it better than I am. We have been CPR since October. Senator and Congressman nominations. Husband said if no TWE we are still in the running. Plan B is to do Auburn Engineering with NROTC. Funny thing though, DS is ambitious so going in with 33 credit hours due to APs. Just found out NROTC is not an option going in since the most credit hours completed they will take for scholarship is 30. He plans to do NRTOC anyway with scholarship 2nd semester. He has scholarship offers and accepted to Auburn, Virgina Tech Corps of Cadets, honors college and pre-engineering, has the same at Purdue as well as NC state(in state school). DS did CVW and NASS and has SAT 1450(760Math, 690verbal), 4.6 weighted GPA/3.69 unweighted GPA). We wait..... Is it true he would NOT be a typical NAPS candidate due to excelling in Math and NOT offered Foundation school due to excelling in English? He was told that but I find it very odd. Thoughts???

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He has good individual SAT #'s .... Is his SAT on 1 date (one sitting, not super scored), or is it a Super Score of more than 1 date? .... Better if it is One sitting, because it shows that he can Concentrate very well for 3.5 hours straight .... Even better if a kid takes it One time before his/her senior year, and knocks it out of the park --- the SAT/ACT is the Great Equalizer, and One-Sitting scores are Far better than Super Scores --- Schools can see if the SAT/ACT is treated like a game. Our daughter took it one time in her Junior year, and it was enough --- Move on.

If his grades in Calculus were C or low B, and his Physics or Chemistry were B's or C's ... he can be offered NAPS, because he has a High Math score, but may have been too busy to give the Classes what he needed (Billion activities like my daughter), or needs a Kick-in-Butt when it comes to HW and Studying.
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BTW: Grades were Not a big thing with me and my wife. I had No idea what our daughter's GPA/Class Rank was until last Summer before this Senior year. I always told her that she was doing great --- Man, was I in for a Surprise when I saw her class rank last summer before this senior year --- I had a long discussion with the Director of counseling in her school about this last summer. There are too many Abilities that do not show up on GPA -- For example, how often they win Writing Competitions; how does the Kid rank in the Piano Student Guild (how well can they play Chopin's Waltz in A minor, my personal favorite), and on and on and on. Encouraging your kid to take all the Challenging courses and doing "Reasonably well" (C or better) is the most important thing. Keeping your kid busy on many things (the whole person) is the Most important thing. You can find things that they really excel at ... who knew that our daughter would like 4-H and the Sheep club Farm duties throughout MS and part of HS.
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Naval academy doesn’t care about how many times you take SAT

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Well ... This coin definitely has more than one side
.
1. There is the "SAT/ACT portion of the Class Portrait" side of the coin -- so, naturally, every school would want their Pool of Applicants to take the exam many times to improve the Distribution.
2. Then there is the SAT/ACT Competitive Aspect, how your scores compare to another applicant that you are being slated against.
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If a kid took an SAT one time in the 8th grade and received a 650/650, don't think for minute that this would not be looked at very highly when it comes to shuffling (ignoring the class portrait PR element).
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He took SAT's twice end of Jr year= 760/660 the 730/690. Took SAT first time at end of 10th grade and scored a 1360. Loads of extra-curriculars with Eagle Scout. Has a 3 page resume with few school awards mostly state ones and national ones. I had to also look at the GPA as DS handles that. I honestly never look. Sports and band. we asked about 33 credits from AP and school gave a partical academic scholarship. NROTC folks will not budge on the restriction. We wait with the whole lot of other people.

Any kid with decent SAT/ACT scores, like your son, could be a candidate for NAPS/Foundation if it could improve his courses in Math/Physics/Chemistry/English .... Like I said, if his grades were C's and B's in all these subjects, and he has the "Whole Person Thing" going, then NAPS/Foundation will do him good .... This doesn't sound like your son though, fortunately or unfortunately.
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When we started this process, I actually thought NAPS would be a great choice for him and wished we could check that box. He's a young senior. He's done well but our AP Physics/Chemistry teacher left this year after sustaining a massive heart attack in August which left him without those 2 classes even though he took honors Chemistry. All I know is EVERY day there is not a TWE, I rejoice and count the remaining days.

Responding to add perspective gathered in the last year. My DS is a successful college reapplicant who made it far into the admission process last year until the TWE in the first part of April. We were visiting his plan b schools during April break and finally and happily put a deposit at his top plan b school which he has ended up absolutely loving on May 1st.

Fast forward almost a year...One of the first things my son said to me after receiving word of his appointment was that the denial was the best thing that ever happened to him. He had to look in the mirror and dedicate himself to training, testing and academics when he already looked great on paper and was a solid candidate out of his hs. His efforts were rewarded at every step of the way and he was really proud of himself. I view his year of college and NROTC as his own personal NAPS and in hindsight, it was a great call by Admissions to allow him this year to mature in all areas.

Best of luck!

 

[boatsfordays]

Two DS’s have (are) applied. BOTH have been told directly FROM USNA (actually in writing in an email) to ‘test often. And both SAT/ACT as they super score even between different tests (ACT/SAT). So that is fact. From USNA.

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The USNA Policy that you state is correct -- there is nothing wrong with the Policy. But, if you were on the Review board and 2 candidates had Identical Characteristic Quantities, but one candidate required a Super Score to get a 1400, while the other candidate only required one date (sitting) to get 1400… which candidate do you pick?
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Honestly, that's a good question and we often try to ponder what could be in the mind of the admission board. First glance, sure I want the kid who is so naturally smart they are a one time 1400. But (just pondering)... we attended an admission forum and a kid in the forum asked "What score do I need?" the answer was "Do you have a perfect score? No. then keep taking it." The culture at USNA is trying, trying harder, and doing your best. Would they look at the one time tester and say "hey, they settled and maybe could have done better but for them "good" was good enough."

Certainly, a kid who keeps taking it and writes one heck of an essay about always striving to do their best.....

Folks just do your best. Present your best self and be proud of yourself. You're officially a candidate to the United States Naval Academy! That is one heck of an accomplishment!

 

[ThePatternisFull]

 

[curiouslystrongmints]

I got a very official envelope today in the mail, worried it was a TWE but it turned out to be my NROTC scholarship certificate my heart rate is finally starting to calm down

 

[candide72]

I got a very official envelope today in the mail, worried it was a TWE but it turned out to be my NROTC scholarship certificate my heart rate is finally starting to calm down

USNA sent me a waiver approved letter MONTHS after it was update online. I almost cried I thought it might be a TWE...