Double Nomination

MrSTOCK

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I asked this question in the 2025 nominations thread already, but I figured I would get more answers making my own post.

I received two nominations in my portal this morning with the code “OR61”. Meaning this is from one of my senators. Is a double nomination common with senators? And does it mean I am at the top of their slate? (only my congressman does principle nominations)
 

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Oh ok, so does this mean they have 20 slots instead of ten? And if so, do they usually mirror each slate?
 

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Oh ok, so does this mean they have 20 slots instead of ten? And if so, do they usually mirror each slate?
20 NOMINATIONS for 2 "slots"

Some might mirror and others will fill all 20 with different names. If in a district or state with hundreds of qualified applicants, they would be able to not mirror and still nominate superb candidates.
 

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Oh ok, so does this mean they have 20 slots instead of ten? And if so, do they usually mirror each slate?
Keep repeating to yourself: “Elected officials can conduct their applicant process however they like, their notification process however they like, and as long as they choose one of the approved methods of slate creation, they can populate those how they like.”

The elected official can choose to submit no slates at all and not exercise their privilege.
They can collaborate with other elected officials and agree to not dupe names across slates or nominate to more than 1 SA.
They can submit a slate with less than 10 names.
They can duplicate a name on both slates, if they are filling two seats, but choose entirely different names for the remaining places on the two slates. They can completely duplicate Slate 1 and Slate 2.

You have noms. Rejoice!
 

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I've seen 4 people that get appointments out of 10 nominated by one of our Ohio senators (Actually 4 out of 10 end up getting appointments each year according to the Senator's website). How is this possible? 10 nominations means there is 1 slot available which means 4 people who were nominated by a certain MOC are currently at the academy. Do some MOCs have unlimited number of cadets/midshipmen attending each academy?
 

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I've seen 4 people that get appointments out of 10 nominated by one of our Ohio senators (Actually 4 out of 10 end up getting appointments each year according to the Senator's website). How is this possible? 10 nominations means there is 1 slot available which means 4 people who were nominated by a certain MOC are currently at the academy. Do some MOCs have unlimited number of cadets/midshipmen attending each academy?
Time to roll back to the top of the Nominations forum and re-read the Sticky note there.

Keep in mind you have no idea how many noms any applicant on a slate may have.

One of the names on the slate will be the appointment actually charged to that elected official. Possibly two, if it’s a year where two seats in a cycle (out of 5 at SA at any one time) have come open.

The SA has the authority, per established guidelines, to offer additional appointments to fully qualified applicants on that slate. These are not charged to the elected official but to a different authority.

Those applicants on the slate may also have an ROTC/JROTC nom, a Presidential or other service-connected nom. They may be prior enlisted and qualify for that nom. The elected official is aware of everyone being offered an appointment and tends to take ownership of all.

Where the appointment actually gets charged to, for nom purposes, is not always apparent from the outside. Rest assured an elected official doesn’t have any more than 5 warm bodies at an SA charged to him or her at any one time.

Hence the standard advice here - do not look left or right at other candidates. You do not know what their total application looks like or what their nom status is.
 
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As already stated....CHARGED is the key word. Listen to wording. An MOC can rightly declare “proud to report that 5 (or 2, or 7) of my nominees received an appointment”. That’s a fair and correct statement.

How those 5 (or 2, or 7) end up CHARGED is not published for the general public. Most appointees don’t care to dig, once arriving at the SA, to officially find out to whom they were charged. Each MOC can only have 5 charged to them, as already discussed.
 

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I asked this question in the 2025 nominations thread already, but I figured I would get more answers making my own post.

I received two nominations in my portal this morning with the code “OR61”. Meaning this is from one of my senators. Is a double nomination common with senators? And does it mean I am at the top of their slate? (only my congressman does principle nominations)
Which portal, USNA, USAFA, etc.? Thanks!
 

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This would be in my USMA portal, I didn’t apply to the other academies. Are you in Oregon too?
 

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This would be in my USMA portal, I didn’t apply to the other academies. Are you in Oregon too?
Thanks for the response. I am not in Oregon. Just curious about how the nom is reflected in the portal. I suspect our MOC has two spots available for a different SA also, but very difficult, if not impossible to know. @viper16jc is your post first hand knowledge, or are you speculating. Thanks!
 

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Questions:
  1. I have Senator and MOC noms for USAFA with an extremely strong file/chance according to my ALO; how much does having 2 nominations help me?
  2. I also desired a nomination for USNA (USAFA still being my main), but I did not receive one. I've heard of academies "finding" you a nomination; how exactly does that work? BTW: my apps are all done for both.
 

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Questions:
  1. I have Senator and MOC noms for USAFA with an extremely strong file/chance according to my ALO; how much does having 2 nominations help me?
  2. I also desired a nomination for USNA (USAFA still being my main), but I did not receive one. I've heard of academies "finding" you a nomination; how exactly does that work? BTW: my apps are all done for both.

I’ve merged your new thread into the one right below it with the same title.

Stealth_81
 

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Thanks for the response. I am not in Oregon. Just curious about how the nom is reflected in the portal. I suspect our MOC has two spots available for a different SA also, but very difficult, if not impossible to know. @viper16jc is your post first hand knowledge, or are you speculating. Thanks!
No that is for sure. When you have two nominations from the same MOC, that means there are multiple slates and in the case of having two nominations, you were nominated on two slates.
 

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I am confused. My DS received a nomination from his Congressman but there were two different numbers in the nomination section... I know he only received a nomination from one Congressman but would that be for two slots?
 

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I've heard of academies "finding" you a nomination; how exactly does that work?
It happens. It happened to DD. But from everything I’ve gathered here, it’s quite rare. So not something to count on. If an SA really wants someone, they’ll find a way to get them. But while you wait to see if you’re that rare someone, work on Plan B, C, D....
 

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I am confused. My DS received a nomination from his Congressman but there were two different numbers in the nomination section... I know he only received a nomination from one Congressman but would that be for two slots?
I believe if the number is different then it sounds like someone else also nominated him. If its the same number twice then I believe that's a double nom from the same person. Our DD's portal got updated before she was notified by two of the three noms she received.
 

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Does anyone know the number of Vice Presidential nominations given for each academy? Is it only 10 per open spot, as with the Congressmen?
 

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Does anyone know the number of Vice Presidential nominations given for each academy? Is it only 10 per open spot, as with the Congressmen?
The SAs which use the VP nom evaluate and manage who gets it. No VP staffers or slates. There are 5 warm bodies charged to these noms at any one time at the SA. As each class graduates, 1-2 slots come open. The SA chooses who to assign the VP nom(s) to, which is likely someone they want and has not obtained a nom elsewhere. If that person accepts, job complete. If they don’t, SA goes back to their sticky note with a small number of VP-nom-possible candidates.
 
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