It's over this year for me.


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5-Year Member
Jan 10, 2009
I just had an hour long conversation with my admissions counselor for the USNA. If you have read my description in my thread "Am I an ideal candidate", and the other threads, thanks. But the bottom line is, I was rejected by the board.


Although I have a plethora of achievments leaderhip ssl hrs and extracurricular and music,

this was the reason:

They had noticed that I was taking all APs and Honor classes. And from my freshman to Junior year, I sucked. I received a GPA of around 2.57. But the 1st quarter and so forth of my senior year, which is now, I received a 3.4 with the same difficult classes.

I thought that this mass improvement (huge huge improvement) would better my chances of entering the USNA, but here's what the response was.

From seeing your huge jump, we see that you are indeed capable of completing difficult classes, and you even got a 1940 on the SATs. So basically, I was being lazy from freshman to junior year. I admittedly said that myself, because it was true. I was lazy, and as I couldn't find a college to go to, I basically gave up. And that was beacuse I didn't know about service acadmies.

A leader must always do his best, no matter the circumstances, even if he cannot see the road ahead of him. He must not falter nor give up no matter what. And I gave up.

That's what I learned the summer of my junior year. And boy did I feel that heaviness and regret which killed me for many nights.

But the start of my senior year, I had learned, and found my ambition, and was not going to make the same mistake again. And thus i received a 3.4, 4.2 weighted.

But the fact that i was lazy, cost me my chance to go to USNA or even NAPS. IT's not that i was incapable, but I chose not to do the work.

Even though they saw the improvement, they did not take that fully into account, beacuse it just showed my laziness even more from the past years. And the senior year is technically not supposed to be reviewed.

I have to go to college for a year, and if I truly wish to be in the US FRIKING NA. Then I will be able to wait, and keep my GPA up.

I'm gonna be saying bye for a long time now. I don't think there's much I can do anymore but wait for a year and a half. It was already insanely hard waiting for a few stupid weeks for a nomination that didn't come HAHA! but I can wait.. because a leader NEVER GIVES UP! (I gave up in school, not in track or anything else though hahahhaa, but no excuses though. )

AT first, i thoguht that my laziness only would hit the grades hard, but it also went into my "leadership" skills, and other content as well.

I'm not dissapointed, but just frustrated at my self. But I will be in the USNA, whether it be one year, one month, or 100 years.

Thankyou for answering all my questions for the mean time.

Good bye.
i'm sorry to hear that buddy

if this is your goal, and you are determined to not let initial setbacks keep you down, you will not only be a naval academy graduate, but a fine officer as well

my very best wishes
Sorry man, but you certainly made an awesome exiting speech! lol jk

Good luck! Keep your head up! Make zero room for regrets, next year in college! :shake:
Whether you're ultimately successful in reaching your goal of attending USNA depends a lot on what you do this coming year. Over 1/3 of mids attending USNA now have at least 6 months of post h.s. education. In fairness, many of those attend NAPS or Foundation. But there is a strong contingent of those who attended civilian college on their own.

You've already taken the first step in that you have found out from the source (CGO) why your record wasn't strong enough this year. What you want to do in the upcoming year (starting NOW) is demonstrate to USNA that you are a "changed person" in that you are now fully motivated to do what it takes to succeed. You can do that in three ways:

(1) Academics. Whether it is at a CC or a 4-yr college, do whatever you can to take the following courses: Calculus, Chemistry (or Physics), English, History. If you cannot get into one or more of those classes, take other math/science classes and "hard core" humanities. Skip sociology, criminal justice, art history, music theory. Not saying those aren't worthwhile classes for life but they won't help you get into an SA. Be sure to get As or high Bs in those classes. Study, get tutoring -- do what it takes. Cs won't help you.

(2) Athletics. Be involved in team sports. These can be at college or in the community but preferably something that has organized, recognizable competitions. If you choose an individual sport, it should be something where you can demonstrate prowess (i.e., attaining a state ranking, winning a state or regional competition). Your athletics should include something that requires running or swimming, if at all possible.

(3) Leadership. It's a bit harder to demonstrate leadership when a college freshman or attending CC than as a h.s. senior. However, there are lots of opportunities in the community. Find an organization for which you have a passion (fatherless kids, injured animals, senior citizens, environment) and figure out ways you can make a difference, such as by organizing a new or current program, expanding membership, raising money, etc.

If you do all of the above, you have a decent shot of getting in on a second try. All of us here wish you the best of luck and success.
Sorry to hear that.. but there is always next year...IF it is truely what you want

something to remember when you have kids way down the line... Don't let them slack... and that they can't afford to get lazy, and that YES grades in 9th grade matter ... I was unable to get my daughter to listen in freshman year, but after that listened.. I think she finally understood that I WAS SPEAKING FROM EXPERIENCE.

remember everything you do today affects your tomorrows. Always give your all!

Good luck....
I applied to USAFA and did not get in my first year either. I am at Baylor University and I joined ROTC. I reapplied and got my appointment in October. I talked to a lot of graduates who said they had friends who went to a civ college for a year and they did much better at the academy because they had that extra year to adjust to living away from home and getting used to college academics. I agree with all those people. I know this year at civ college will really help me next year at the academy.
Don't give up!! My advice...join a ROTC detachment for a year, study your butt of, and reapply. That will show the board dedication.
best of luck,
Amen to what usna1985 said above.

You still want it? Get with the program and go for it.

Best of luck!
How bad do you want it?


I can relate VERY well as I did not get in on my first attempt in 1978 (class of '82) but did the next year.

I posted the following in the USMA forum for a couple folks to read; and then in the USAFA forum as well.

Take a read and see if you can see yourself in the mix...
Hi all!

I wanted to pass this along. It's a "short story" about one of my most favorite people: Captain Chad Harmon, USMA '03.

I met Chad when he expressed an interest in attending the USAFA during his freshman year of HS. He was the "all America kid next door" with EVERYTHING you could want. In a uniform he's a male model, poster child of the fit, good looking nordic type...and just a heckuva guy. State champion baseball pitcher, etc...etc...etc...he had everything going for him and impressed all who met him.

You all are very much like him in your goals and aspirations, so you know what I mean.

Chad was nominated to USAFA his senior year and all looked great...EXCEPT his SAT/ACT scores. They were an ALO (admission liaison officer for USAFA) I know "about what it'll take" but not always precisely. And Chad was CLOSE...oh so close...

But he didn't get accepted. He did however receive a 4-year ROTC full-scholarship. Which he took to Embry Riddle in Florida. I assumed that was the last I'd hear of Chad. You have to understand...he comes from a small (really small) mining town in the mountains of Arizona...male model type...put him in So Florida...I figured the "beach scene" would kill him.

So when he called and said: "So sir, what do I do to get to USAFA now?" I was amazed. To shorten the story...his congressman remembered him well, and said he wouldn't have to fly back to AZ from FL for the nomination interview...he'd nominate him automatically! And he did!!!

To West Point!!!!
(pause here to imagine a young man of 19 crying like a 2 year old when his lollipop is taken away).

His words to me were akin to: "What do I do's whole goal, plans, etc...all over."

I asked Chad: "What is it you REALLY want to do? Forget the academy...what is it that YOU REALLY want to do?"

His answer, which I remember to this day: "Sir...I want to be an officer of the armed forces of the United States and to serve my country."

Yes, really; those were his words at age 19.

My only answer was: "And West Point's a bad place for this because???"

Chad graduated with high honors from West Point in 2003 and went to helo school at Ft Rucker, choosing to fly Blackhawks because he liked the idea of special operations and rescue.

He has recently converted to the RC-12N (fixed wing recce) and is excelling in the US Army aviation world.

Folks...if you get the word that it's "...not this year..." do NOT be discouraged from your ultimate goal! I use Chad as an example a LOT...

And now you know why!

If you want it bad enough, you can achieve it!!!

Steve Wood, Lt Col, USAFR
Deputy Liaison Officer Director for Arizona

Chad didn't get what he wanted immediately so he went to work, did what he needed to do (attend college, take the tough classes like you would at USAFA/USMA/USNA/USCGA/USMMA, do WELL in them, and go after your goal again) and ended up at West Point. NOT BAD I think/thought!

And he's doing great still!

So...keep the faith, decide what it is you really want and then go after it, whatever it is!
a true leader doesn't back down from a challenge or from uncompromising odds. you've shown that during your senior year, but unfortunately your previous three came back to bite you in the buttocks. but i can guarantee you that if you keep the same attitude and driving force that you have now, you'll be successful no matter where you go: (USNA, 4-year college, workforce, etc.). good luck in any path that you choose! :thumb:
What a great story! Even though he lost the lollipop, there was a sweet ending.
Hey man,

You gave it your best shot this year and at least you tried. The best way not to get in is not try and you've proven yourself by trying to get into USNA this year. If you really want to go to the USNA definetly apply next year. Work really hard for a year in a college (community or 4 year) and re do your application. As long as you show yourself to be a strong candidate and your desire to become a Midshipman, the board should give you a better chance than this year.
What can it hurt? Besides you would be garunteeing that you wouldn't get into USNA if you didn't apply again.
Don't beat yourself down, build yourself up.