Most important physical quality for plebe summer

Curious what this means? No judgment. Just wondering.

The Marines don't care what you majored in. And no major qualifies you to be a better Marine.

DD is a Marine who did a very challenging STEM major at USNA. Her current roommates at MOS school did the same.
In my narrow understanding, it means that I would be working either on a sub/ship or in a dry dock. Maybe I'm completely wrong about that but I don't think if I became a fully educated nuclear engineer I would best serve in a marine role, because (as far as I know) they don't possess any nuclear facilities.
 
Back to OP’s question (this thread took some interesting twists 😳)

Good info already on the physical rec’s. It’s a good time to add my little soapbox: proper running shoes. Get your foot fitted professionally at a running store (vs big box store). A store that specializes in running. Look for one that running clubs use. They will fit your foot with a good running shoe. A misconception is they are more expensive. Not necessarily the case. Our local store will price match competitors. Or, get fitted, and then search for the shoe online (our store will still price math, which is a good idea as they are the ones that put in the effort).

Having a proper fit on your foot will help with foot/shin/hip pain.

And then? RUN. My kid was a 3 sport athlete, one being track, and also did competitive AAU club track in the summer. So the running wasn’t as bad as it was for others. But it was a lot even by his standards.
That it did! And thanks for the advice, It didn't cross my mind to get anything other than my normal big-store running shoe, so I will look into getting some fitted ones. Thanks!
 
With 100% confidence as someone that just went through plebe summer:

All the detailers can ask you to do on a day-to-day basis, (not including IT sessions, but those are uncommon,) is 25 pushups in a row and a 3 minute front leaning rest. If you can do both of those with perfect form, you will be unaffected almost every time your company gets dropped. There will be exceptions and you'll do other exercises like leg levers or squats but if you can do the pushups and front leaning rest your life will be 100% easier. Training for PEP is good but the program works to improve you no matter where you enter at.
That doesn't sound so bad! Getting dropped is the main thing that worried me about PS.
 
In my narrow understanding, it means that I would be working either on a sub/ship or in a dry dock. Maybe I'm completely wrong about that but I don't think if I became a fully educated nuclear engineer I would best serve in a marine role, because (as far as I know) they don't possess any nuclear facilities.
Your USNA major has almost nothing to do with what you can or will do upon commissioning. As a nuclear engineering major, you may be assigned to drive a ship or a sub, fly a jet or helicopter, or yes, even become a Marine. As an English major, you may do any of those things as well.

As a nuclear engineering major, you can certainly specialize in nuke -- either surface or sub -- but so can an English major. You'll both head to nuke school to gain the requisite nuke knowledge. You're right that there is no nuke component to USMC, but that doesn't mean a nuclear engineering major can't become a very effective Marine officer if they so choose.
 
Your USNA major has almost nothing to do with what you can or will do upon commissioning. As a nuclear engineering major, you may be assigned to drive a ship or a sub, fly a jet or helicopter, or yes, even become a Marine. As an English major, you may do any of those things as well.
A nuclear engineering major has a pretty good shot at selecting for SWO-N or subs, that's pretty accurate. Much better shot than an English major. Especially if they want it. We need nukes more than we need pretty much any other kind of officer.

We talk all the time about the one guy or gal in our company that made it through the pipeline with an Econ degree, but realistically most of them are STEM majors.

No one is trying to slight the USMC here. The Navy is the only service with nuclear reactors. This person wants to be a nuclear engineer. Checks out.
 
A nuclear engineering major has a pretty good shot at selecting for SWO-N or subs, that's pretty accurate. Much better shot than an English major. Especially if they want it. We need nukes more than we need pretty much any other kind of officer.

We talk all the time about the one guy or gal in our company that made it through the pipeline with an Econ degree, but realistically most of them are STEM majors.

No one is trying to slight the USMC here. The Navy is the only service with nuclear reactors. This person wants to be a nuclear engineer. Checks out.
Indeed. Majors do play some role just not as much as some newcomers think. I knew an English major who wanted nothing more than to be a nuke. Had decent grades. They always need nukes so he should’ve gotten it right? Well no, the nuke people know it’s easier to get an A in english classes, so they focused on his grades in the core engineering curriculum, where his grades weren’t as good. A mid with a 2.9 in Mech E probably has a better shot at nuke than one with a 3.5 in history. And for someone who wants to do cyber warfare or a related field they should really major in comp sci or comp eng to have a shot.
 
That it did! And thanks for the advice, It didn't cross my mind to get anything other than my normal big-store running shoe, so I will look into getting some fitted ones. Thanks!
When you’re getting fitted for running shoes, let them know you will be doing lots of daily runs on hard surfaces (asphalt, concrete, hallways).

You can also bring along inserts if you think they will help for your boots, etc. Once a mid, you can request custom orthotics that will be made for you at Walter Reed Medical Center. Most mids buy more comfortable boots during the academic year, like the Nikes (lightweight, sneaker-feel for rucks, morning workouts, etc).
 
That doesn't sound so bad! Getting dropped is the main thing that worried me about PS.
You'll get used to it where it becomes more of an inconvenience rather than an actual struggle! Not a big deal at all. I have some very fond memories of the conversations me and the people next to me would have through clenched teeth lol. If you come in in good shape you'll be able to help people around you too, I remember someone positioning their leg under me to support some of my body weight during a front leaning rest hold
 
I was reluctant to resurrect this part of the thread, with Severn banned and not able to respond.

First, as I have said before, there are exceptions to every rule-- and in this case, if you have a witness in the Hall that says a plebe was run out by overzealous detailers, it probably happened. However, I have heard on multiple occasions during 'Dant briefs that the policy against hazing or trying to run someone out of USNA is clear and in writing, and that consequence of violation are harsh. I probably alluded to the statement above, but the explanation was something like " if an Admissions Board and Commandant Staff made up of experienced officers think someone has the ability to graduate, we aren't going to have a bunch of kids with two years experience deciding otherwise. "

Bottom line, do Detailers cross the line ? Probably ... Do they get punished if caught ? Certainly. The point I (and other old timers ) were making is that is nothing like the past (and I will admit that it was far worse prior to the mid 80's), where hazing and intent to run people out was almost instituionalized. The retention statistics are clear ...

Finally, with respect to the "are you special" bait. If I had a dime for every time I heard (or used) that line, I would have retired years ago.
To your point,I know of a past company training officer that did get in a lot of trouble for ‘going too hard on plebes’ as part of ac year workouts. A LOT of trouble. So yes, they are held accountable. And in this case, that persons peers did their job, knowing the training O crossed a line. So there is an example to oldBGO’s point.

Perhaps this plebe in Severn’s example was looking to leave. Maybe intense pressure was what pushed them to make that decision. No doubt, plebe summer is a challenge. In so many ways. My guys have shared stories. Looking at it all in the past, vs living it in the moment are two different experiences.

Also, no two people are the same. Some can handle ‘pressure better than others. It could be, that overall this person was looking to leave. No one here will ever know.
Your USNA major has almost nothing to do with what you can or will do upon commissioning. As a nuclear engineering major, you may be assigned to drive a ship or a sub, fly a jet or helicopter, or yes, even become a Marine. As an English major, you may do any of those things as well.

As a nuclear engineering major, you can certainly specialize in nuke -- either surface or sub -- but so can an English major. You'll both head to nuke school to gain the requisite nuke knowledge. You're right that there is no nuke component to USMC, but that doesn't mean a nuclear engineering major can't become a very effective Marine officer if they so choose.
…or if the Marines choose you to do so 🤣

It’s a good time to point out, that no matter what you want to do, you will do what you’re told to do.

Sub draft momma 🙋‍♀️ (kiddo headed to nuke school). Didn’t have that on his radar.
 
Indeed. Majors do play some role just not as much as some newcomers think. I knew an English major who wanted nothing more than to be a nuke. Had decent grades. They always need nukes so he should’ve gotten it right? Well no, the nuke people know it’s easier to get an A in english classes, so they focused on his grades in the core engineering curriculum, where his grades weren’t as good. A mid with a 2.9 in Mech E probably has a better shot at nuke than one with a 3.5 in history. And for someone who wants to do cyber warfare or a related field they should really major in comp sci or comp eng to have a shot.

Lmao.

My colorblind kid took what they gave him. ;)

Aero engineer. Doing civil engineer. Passed the first test of mechanical engineer license (never took ME class).

Looking at ocean engineer Masters. Aero PhD.

He wishes he wasn’t colorblind. ;)

Edit: He signed an agreement as a condition of induction that he would accept Marines. He worked hard to be in shape and would have accepted that if assigned.
 
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Hello all!

I was wondering if there is any one thing I should prioritize being able to do to prepare myself for plebe summer. Whether that be 100 pushups or a sub-30-second 50m sprint in the pool. I passed the CFA with an OK score but have been working hard to improve, overall is there one thing more important than the others?

Thank you for the advice!
Based on my limited sample size, it’s not that kids struggle day 1 of PEP, it rather the ability to perform, recover, then perform the next day and the next day etc. lots of repetitive motion type injuries. so come to I-day having been putting in the work daily so your body will be used to it and the recovery process..
 
And for someone who wants to do cyber warfare or a related field they should really major in comp sci or comp eng to have a shot.
@Kierkegaard, you rightly call out some notable exceptions. As for cyber warfare, the comp sci and comp eng degrees do help -- but again, with exceptions. DD went cyber and has neither. Same goes for her MOS roomie.
 
Lmao.

My colorblind kid took what they gave him. ;)

Aero engineer. Doing civil engineer. Passed the first test of mechanical engineer license (never took ME class).

Looking at ocean engineer Masters. Aero PhD.

He wishes he wasn’t colorblind. ;)

Edit: He signed an agreement as a condition of induction that he would accept Marines. He worked hard to be in shape and would have accepted that if assigned.
So he was medically DQ'ed for being colorblind and got a waiver for USNA as long as he signed a thing saying he probably would not be able to do anything but Marines?

I have been wondering how that works for medical waivers. Like if I get a waiver, does this mean I can do any job, or will they wait till commissioning to tell me I can not do the job I would want to do most?
 
So he was medically DQ'ed for being colorblind and got a waiver for USNA as long as he signed a thing saying he probably would not be able to do anything but Marines?

I have been wondering how that works for medical waivers. Like if I get a waiver, does this mean I can do any job, or will they wait till commissioning to tell me I can not do the job I would want to do most?
He agreed to go marines if they required him to before induction. It’s a combined thing.

He ended up in CEC. Did well in aero engineer.

He would have been happy wherever they put him.
 
He agreed to go marines if they required him to before induction. It’s a combined thing.

He ended up in CEC. Did well in aero engineer.

He would have been happy wherever they put him.
Oh okay. So if I get a waiver, they might say "We need you to sign this agreement saying we may have to put you in X job upon commissioning if we are to allow you to attend USNA?"

I would be happy in most jobs, but it would be nice to know.
 
Oh okay. So if I get a waiver, they might say "We need you to sign this agreement saying we may have to put you in X job upon commissioning if we are to allow you to attend USNA?"

I would be happy in most jobs, but it would be nice to know.
This is for colorblind. He couldn’t be unrestricted line - what he wanted.

He was ether marines or restricted line. He ended up staff - in CEC.
 
Colorblind waivers sort of fall into a unique category. Early in your 2/C year USNA conducts what they call a Pre-Commissioning Physical. It takes your medical record into consideration, but is a much more thorough physical than DoDMERB. You will get checked head to toe. That will determine if there are any communities that you are not qualified for.
 
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