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Jcleppe said:
How easy it is from your safe classroom to advocate "Attack now!!"
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Very easy, if it were difficult I wouldn't have bothered saying it.
Jcleppe said:
I would hope you would look at all options before deciding to start what will result in mass casualties on both sides.
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It's not my decision to make, I am simply stating my beliefs on this forum. I have read very extensively about North Korea. The longer we wait to attack the more dangerous it will be to attack. NK's nuclear technology is just going to continue getting better and better, they aren't simply going to disappear. If the US were ever to attack, the time would be right now. The longer the wait the worse the situation will get.
Jcleppe said:
You might think differently if you find yourself sitting a mile away from the DMZ.
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I would have no issues with dying in a war with North Korea. And no, that isn't me trying to sound brave, that is simply how it is. I have read about North Korea my entire life, and I have wanted to fight them my entire life.
Jcleppe said:
And so I'm clear, l do think about the loss of American lives a bit more.
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I value ethics and morality over country, and therefore value all lives (of innocent people) equally. You value country higher. To each his own. Do I value country? Of course, but I believe humanity comes first.
 
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I value ethics and morality over country, and therefore value all lives (of innocent people) equally. You value country higher. To each his own. Do I value country? Of course, but I believe humanity comes first."[/QUOTE]


No offense intended, but in my experience that type of attitude is usually exhibited by someone that has led a sheltered life. Sometimes it takes a hard dose of personal experience to realize that we will do just about anything to protect our loved ones and our way of life.
 
Dadof2 said:
1337BeachedWhale1337 said:
To many Americans, yes. Based on the previous thread about NK on this forum, most of the people on this forum don't give a flying fadoodle about the well-being of anyone that isn't an American.
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1337BeachedWhale1337 said:
I personally wouldn't mind graduating a bit early and taking a visit to the Korean Peninsula...
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1337BeachedWhale1337, which is it? Seems like you are on both sides of the NK argument. I hope you aren't intending to try to keep this thread going in circles forever like the last NK thread.
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Exactly. Beachedwhale isn't sure what side of the argument he/she is on. Or just arguing to argue. Credibility lost either way.
 
Maplerock said:
No offense intended, but in my experience that type of attitude is usually exhibited by someone that has led a sheltered life. Sometimes it takes a hard dose of personal experience to realize that we will do just about anything to protect our loved ones and our way of life.
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Everyone is someone's loved one. Valuing your own loved ones more than someone else's is called selfishness.
 
brovol said:
Dadof2 said:
1337BeachedWhale1337 said:
To many Americans, yes. Based on the previous thread about NK on this forum, most of the people on this forum don't give a flying fadoodle about the well-being of anyone that isn't an American.
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1337BeachedWhale1337 said:
I personally wouldn't mind graduating a bit early and taking a visit to the Korean Peninsula...
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1337BeachedWhale1337, which is it? Seems like you are on both sides of the NK argument. I hope you aren't intending to try to keep this thread going in circles forever like the last NK thread.
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Exactly. Beachedwhale isn't sure what side of the argument he/she is on. Or just arguing to argue. Credibility lost either way.
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How am I on both sides of the argument? Making ambiguous, blanket statements like you just did there provides NOTHING to the conversation, and it would be greatly appreciated if you were more specific instead of doing things like simply labeling my argument "ridiculous".
 
This thread will be shut down if members are unable to post their arguments without putting down others.

It is that simple.
 
1337BeachedWhale1337 said:
brovol said:
All I can suggest to you my friend is to read what I wrote again, and perhaps slower this time. Nothing confusing there, so no reason for you to misunderstand my position.
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Please quote the part of your post that I misread.
brovol said:
It's a shallow approach to insight, but hey, you are American, so think what you want.
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brovol said:
is not only short sighted, but completely ridiculous.
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Insulting my argument rather than attacking it doesn't really provide any meaningful information to anyone.
brovol said:
Given the choice of protecting Americans or North Koreans, all other things being equal, dang right I will keep the American safe.
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Clearly you place patriotism over morality and ethics. To each his own.
brovol said:
If you disagree, then please reconsider your career
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No.
brovol said:
If you are not an American citizen, then I wouldn't expect you to share my sentiments.
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I am an American citizen, I simply value humanity over country.
brovol said:
Either way, no apologies offered. I mean exactly what I said.
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I'm not sure what you are referencing to? Nothing has been said on this thread so far warranting an apology.
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You state that I believe a baby born in California is worth more than a baby born in NKorea. I never said that at all. Instead I said that Americans are entitled to the protection our leaders can provide, including a strategy which insulates our lands from the danger and harms of military engagement at home, assuming the same can be avoided. You bastardized my comments into something which would suggest that I desire harm on people from other countries, when in fact that is the farthest thing from accurate. When you spin things, and it is transparent that you are doing so deliberately, it compromises your credibility.

You can guise your ideology as "ethics" or "morality " all you want. But if you are one who believes that military, political or other US leadership should put the interests of citizens of foreign countries, even those who acquiese to the lunacy of their own psychotic dictators, over the security and safety of Americans, I sincerely hope you either do not become an officer in our armed forces, or that your views and philosophies mature in a ratical way before you gain command of US sailors or soldiers.
 
BleachedWhale,

I'm still curious, I think I asked this before but you never responded. All your previous posts indicate that you are a cadet at the USMA, why the USNA Avatar?
 
brovol said:
You state that I believe a baby born in California is worth more than a baby born in NKorea.
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False. I never stated that you believe that. I said that based on the other things you said, you seem to believe that. When you say you value an American life is entitled to protection while a North Korean life is not entitled to protection, you heavily make the implication that a California baby has life that is more valuable.
brovol said:
You bastardized my comments into something which would suggest that I desire harm on people from other countries.
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I did not. You implied something with your words, and I wrote out said implication.
brovol said:
When you spin things, and it is transparent that you are doing so deliberately, it compromises your credibility.
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When you continuously make false statements and ignore my questions, you lose credibility.
brovol said:
But if you are one who believes that military, political or other US leadership should put the interests of citizens of foreign countries, even those who acquiese to the lunacy of their own psychotic dictators, over the security and safety of Americans, I sincerely hope you either do not become an officer in our armed forces, or that your views and philosophies mature in a ratical way before you gain command of US sailors or soldiers
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Whether or not you believe I am fit to be an officer is tangential to the topic at hand. But since we are on the topic, I will leave it at this, I won't allow my beliefs to interfere with my job, which, should I commission, will be to defend the United States.
 
1337BeachedWhale1337 said:
Maplerock said:
No offense intended, but in my experience that type of attitude is usually exhibited by someone that has led a sheltered life. Sometimes it takes a hard dose of personal experience to realize that we will do just about anything to protect our loved ones and our way of life.
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Everyone is someone's loved one. Valuing your own loved ones more than someone else's is called selfishness.
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Absurd. Sounds like a comment from someone single with no children. Not an attack on you, just validating my earlier point about not getting it until it happens to you.
 
Maplerock said:
1337BeachedWhale1337 said:
Maplerock said:
No offense intended, but in my experience that type of attitude is usually exhibited by someone that has led a sheltered life. Sometimes it takes a hard dose of personal experience to realize that we will do just about anything to protect our loved ones and our way of life.
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Everyone is someone's loved one. Valuing your own loved ones more than someone else's is called selfishness.
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Absurd. Sounds like a comment from someone single with no children. Not an attack on you, just validating my earlier point about not getting it until it happens to you.
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I'm confused, would you disagree that choosing to save your own loved one's instead of other people is selfish? Those other people have families too, and are valued by other people. You choose to save your loved ones instead of those random strangers because it is what you want. If that's not selfishness, what is it?
 
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[QUOTE="1337BeachedWhale1337, should I commission, will be to defend the United States.[/QUOTE]

If indeed you are a cadet, why would there be any doubt If you will commission?
 
"War is cruelty, and you can not refine it". "War is Hell".
William T. Sherman
 
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