Post-Appointment Class of 2027 Hangout: PTR, I-Day, What To Bring, Leave Periods…all that endless new stuff

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I much prefer this program. We just started week 3 in order to finish the program with I day being on the 15th week. Running three days a week if you can see this. Then cardio the other days as in swimming, biking etc. Just did 6x400m on the track today before school as the sun came up. Made me feel really cool then, but I won't around 1 PM LOL

I would like to see this program have some things longer than the 3 miles, and maybe more consistent distance the last few weeks. After all, this is really for preparing for the PT Test and 1.5 mile run. It can be found on google under: Getting Physically Prepared for the Naval Academy
 
The most consistent comment I have heard to prepare is run more. Anyone have a thought on distances to expect? We're not talking about 5 mile + daily runs are we? Is it just a mix of sprints, low mileage timed runs, etc.?
 
You will do longer runs. If I remember right, the longest my kid did was in the 10k range (6.2 miles).

Of course, he was a high school distance runner, even though he hadn't really run consistently in about two years, so they were fairly easy for him outside of usual general fatigue.

If someone doesn't use something like the plan @cbasalt1 posted (which I'm also not that big of a fan of because it has far too many interval/track workouts), my suggestion for run improvement and comfort with running in general would be to use a structured 5k training plan. Take I-Day as your "race" day, and go backward from there to match the plan.

<-------- For reference so you know I have some background in it, endurance athlete since the mid-80's. 9 marathon finishes including qualifying and running Boston twice, 2 time Ironman finisher, elite amateur cyclist, hundreds of running/cycling/triathlon finishes, previous USATF and USAC coach, etc. etc.

From a coaching perspective, you should not be running more than 5 days a week (unless you are already a seasoned runner who is also planning to try out for the cross country or track teams), should have two medium days, one "long" day, and two easy days. Increase by no more than 10% a week for mileage, spread out between the days, do not increase your paces much, and do not do any sort of fast/heavy track days until you have at least 8 weeks or so under your belt. Three weeks of build, one week "recovery." Ideally, four cycles at a minimum, so 16 weeks.

An example starting week taking someone who ran around a 6:30 for the CFA mile assuming not much running background:

M - 3 miles, steady effort - should be able to talk, but not hold a conversation - probably in the 7:45 - 8:15/mile range, after run, do 5 x 100meter "strides." That is not a sprint, but solid effort focusing on form.
Tu - 2 miles, easy - conversation can be held - probably 9:30/mile range
W - rest/cross-train (Get to the pool and swim! You will need that skill too)
Th - 3 miles, steady effort (see Monday), with same 5x100 strides after
Fr - 2 miles, easy (see Tuesday)
Sa - 5 miles LSD (long, slow distance) - slightly more effort than easy pace, probably 8:30 - 9:00/mile, should be an effort, but not exhausting
Su - rest

Next week (week 2) would be 4/3/rest/4/3/6/rest. Week 3 would be 5/4/rest/5/4/8/rest. Then recovery week - which in this case would be the same as week 1. Yes, this is an increase of more than 10%, but that is because the starting week was so low in mileage.

During all this, you are not increasing your paces unless you naturally are getting faster - which generally won't be the case with only 3 - 4 weeks in. In the next cycle, I might introduce a "tempo" run in place of the Thursday general runs. This would be 2 mile warm up, steady state effort that is much harder for 15 minutes, then 2 mile warm down. This is a continuous run with a harder middle section. For the hypothetical person above, this would probably be in the 7:15 - 7:30/mile pace. It ends up basically being a 2 mile easy start, 2 miles at a harder effort, and a 2 mile warm down.

Again, this is purely run focused. On any of the days, you can crank out your pushups and pull-ups, and do some core work.
 
Also, of UTMOST importance…..

GET FITTED PROFESSIONALLY FOR A PROPER SHOE, for YOUR foot. Go to a running store. They should look at your foot and have you try a few on a treadmill or similar.

There isn’t another thing you can do, beyond training, that will help more than having a proper shoe for your own foot. We are all different. And you will be putting a lot of miles in.

A proper shoe fit will help with shin splints, back, knee and hip pain. It’s worth the investment.
 
The most consistent comment I have heard to prepare is run more. Anyone have a thought on distances to expect? We're not talking about 5 mile + daily runs are we? Is it just a mix of sprints, low mileage timed runs, etc.?
You do a mix of interval runs (sprints for .25-.5 mi followed by a jogging rest) totaling a few miles (mileage increases throughout PS), longer, but slower distance runs (the last run was a 10K or 6.2 miles back in 2016) and sprints that are maybe 100-200 yards. You'll do different runs depending on the day. If memory serves me correctly, Mondays, Wednesdays, and Saturdays were intervals, Tuesday sand Thursdays were regimental runs (long slow distance runs in formation), and sprints (affectionately called Bravehearts) were on Fridays. Wednesdays, Sundays, and days requiring an early departure for a specific activity were rest days. You also take the IST which is a timed 1 mile run and the PRT which is a 1.5 mile run at the beginning and end of PS, respectively.

You also run or power walk everywhere you go. So you do formal running for five days a week, but you'll be moving quickly on your feet every day. It is common to get into the double digits for daily mileage when you combine PT and logistical/admin movement. That is why building a resilient lower body is important. Ironically, shin splints mostly occur as a result of the regimental runs. Since your foot strikes are longer compared to sprinting, there is a load placed on your shin for a longer amount of time.
 
Also, of UTMOST importance…..

GET FITTED PROFESSIONALLY FOR A PROPER SHOE, for YOUR foot. Go to a running store. They should look at your foot and have you try a few on a treadmill or similar.

There isn’t another thing you can do, beyond training, that will help more than having a proper shoe for your own foot. We are all different. And you will be putting a lot of miles in.

A proper shoe fit will help with shin splints, back, knee and hip pain. It’s worth the investment.
Can't stress this enough. Buy a pair to train in and bring them to PS. You don't have to wear the issued shoes for PT. PT is not the time to break in shoes. That said, don't buy anything too flashy (like neon orange running shoes or something).
 
Can't stress this enough. Buy a pair to train in and bring them to PS. You don't have to wear the issued shoes for PT. PT is not the time to break in shoes. That said, don't buy anything too flashy (like neon orange running shoes or something).
But two pair and break them in. Then they will dry out from day to day. If money is an issue, find one that’s right, and search online. You may find them elsewhere, cheaper. Or your store may prove match. Good shoes aren’t cheap, but they are worth it.
 
if you're looking for a good running pair of shoes, hoka clifton 8s are a good shoe to bring, my brother (grad of usna, now ens) and I use these for running and training!
 
Also, of UTMOST importance…..

GET FITTED PROFESSIONALLY FOR A PROPER SHOE, for YOUR foot. Go to a running store. They should look at your foot and have you try a few on a treadmill or similar.

There isn’t another thing you can do, beyond training, that will help more than having a proper shoe for your own foot. We are all different. And you will be putting a lot of miles in.

A proper shoe fit will help with shin splints, back, knee and hip pain. It’s worth the investment.
And let the fitters know you will be running/chopping on hard surfaces (sidewalks, pavement, hallways).
 
He does his own USNA calendar. Not the official usna alumni calendar. Highly recommend purchasing as his photos are EXCEPTIONAL. FRAME WORTHY directly from the calendar.

He is a photographer, who takes hi res photos all year and posts them, by company, on the class FB, and main FB parent page. Free to download at Will. Such a gift to parents. He captures most Mids. And doesn’t charge for his time or product. Purchasing his calendar and book is a great way to show appreciation. Also, his photos are another reason to join the appropriate FB pages ♥️
Last summer for PPW, on the last day, he setup in front of Bancroft and spent several hours taking free Plebe & family portraits to download. One of the best family photos we have.
 
if you're looking for a good running pair of shoes, hoka clifton 8s are a good shoe to bring, my brother (grad of usna, now ens) and I use these for running and training!
Last summer they were issued Brooks Ghost 14 to run in if I'm not mistaken.
 
Last summer they were issued Brooks Ghost 14 to run in if I'm not mistaken.
This can change. Depending on who gets the contract.

No matter what, imo, makes sure and get your foot fitted to a shoe. Not one shoe is the best for every foot. It’s so important for the summer stress on your body.
 
if you're looking for a good running pair of shoes, hoka clifton 8s are a good shoe to bring, my brother (grad of usna, now ens) and I use these for running and training!
Can’t say enough about getting fitted for your type of “foot strike.” The recommendation above for the Hoka Clifton is great — if you have a neutral foot strike. Hoka classifies the shoe as “cushioned,” best for those with normal arches and narrow feet.

But many people need “stability” shoes for moderate pronation or “motion control” shoes for severe pronation. Getting the wrong model can make a big difference. So as others have said, get fitted by a knowledgeable and experienced salesperson. And don’t pay attention to color or aesthetics. They have nothing to do with fit or performance.
 
Can’t say enough about getting fitted for your type of “foot strike.” The recommendation above for the Hoka Clifton is great — if you have a neutral foot strike. Hoka classifies the shoe as “cushioned,” best for those with normal arches and narrow feet.

But many people need “stability” shoes for moderate pronation or “motion control” shoes for severe pronation. Getting the wrong model can make a big difference. So as others have said, get fitted by a knowledgeable and experienced salesperson. And don’t pay attention to color or aesthetics. They have nothing to do with fit or performance.
yes! we don’t really get fitted for the shoes but if you have normal arches and all it’s very good for long wear use. i use them for running and long days and they never leave my feet in pain. preferably if you can get fitted, get fitted!
 
yes! we don’t really get fitted for the shoes but if you have normal arches and all it’s very good for long wear use. i use them for running and long days and they never leave my feet in pain. preferably if you can get fitted, get fitted!
i think something that is also important to note that hoka cliftons (and other hokas) are more affordble options compared to paying for a full shoe fitting which can be pricey.
 
RE the chin splint component. DS got a quality shoe fitted prior to IDay and broke them in running. Post Quarantine and Isolation when he returned to Plebe Summer to run, the whole group from isolation was not 100%, and then the ac year hit. Chopping everywhere, and you aren't wearing those professionally fit shoes for that. The issued 'dress' shoe is not going to prevent damage.

DS was a moron and ran through chin splints (not an easy place to appear to be 'unable to finish a run'). He ended up with dual-leg long bone fractures in both of the lower leg bones. Lots of time at BMU ortho and crutches, and the Yard isn't easy to navigate on crutches, during Covid while you take a to-go box for 3 meals a day.

It was painful, a time suck, and scary when he faced dual leg surgery as a possibility. Thankfully, he did all the physical therapy they prescribed and it didn't come down to surgery.

Prepare for the possibility of chin splints, and DO NOT run through them.
 
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Didn't go through Plebe Summer, so grain of salt this:

Recently went to a proper running shoe store where they fit me for running shoes. Oh my, the difference! They didn't charge me for the fitting, just for the new pair. Ended up getting Saucony's, and they feel great compared to what I had before. Running still isn't my favorite activity in the world, but it's better than what it was before :D
 
And let the fitters know you will be running/chopping on hard surfaces (sidewalks, pavement, hallways).
^This is key advice. Probably one of the main culprits in getting chin splints (I will never call them shin splints again).

Besides getting fitted, I'd also recommend not dramatically increasing mileage week over week. 8-10% increases is a good rule of thumb.
 
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