Yes, definitely seen some stellar recruited athletes, but would be nice for more transparency on how USNA picks from the competitive slates. I've heard WP and AFA are more overall score based, but no idea if that's true.
USNA Class of 2028 Waiting and Speculating
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My son’s perspective on D1 athletes changed from before induction to after graduation.
He said they have it much harder than he had it at the academy … and he was on the endurance team.
Many of them are excellent in academics.
I would guess WP and AFA aren’t that much different than USNA.
To be clear, I don't have a perspective or opinion on recruited athletes. I played basketball in college. IMO all students at the academies are athletes. My questions are simply about the process and what that is for the competitive slates.
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No one really knows for sure. However, the whole person multiple (WPM, score) is used as a strong factor. When records go to the Admissions Board, they can adjust the WPM (positively or negatively, within some confines) to best reflect where a candidate sits based on the subjective aspects of a candidates’ record. The adjusted WPM is carried forward. If two or more candidates have close WPMs, I believe their record might be reexamined (not by the Admissions Board, but by the Admissions office, which is why it is important to update your record if significant academic/extracurricular awards/accomplishments/changes occur prior to the final application deadline). If there is an individual whose WPM is clearly distinguishable from the rest, then there is a clear winner. What I do know for sure…this is beyond anyone’s control.
To that end, @usnabgo08 would you suggest one contact Admissions officer @USNA to update file if an NROTC scholarship was awarded in first round?
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Something I learned about this entire admissions process is that it is argubaly the most fair admissions process of any civilian school in the world. The WCS system truly looks at a 17/18 year old's WHOLE PERSON. No UC or Ivy school does that. And keep in mind, 17/18 (16 for my case) year old. Each candidate is unique and should be appraised for the work they have done to get to here.
That being said, decyphering and trying to understand the admissions process hurts more than it helps. True some aspects of it should be known better than not known (nominations, dodmerb, admission rates) but some aspects (slating/principal, waivers, LOAs) are better left a mystery. Trying to understand this process has driven me insane over these past few months, from calling admissions from CA at 6 in the morning, to browsing on SAF during class, to spending nights trying to figure out my best chances, the "what if I don't get a nomination" type questions.
My word to all my fellow candidates is that we have made it this far in life, and stuff will fall into place. What is meant to be will eventually simply be. It is all just a matter of time. Whether we get to Plebe Summer in June or off to civilian colleges in the Fall, we will all share the the same experience to applying to USNA. Think about it. 14000 applicants in the world, less than 10% of that on SAF, we should all be proud of what we have accomplished.
(i realized i am talking like I already got in, I didnt, but I am just trying to show my fellow candidates optimism and that we are all on the same boat.)
To those who made it in, congratulations, and I look forward to hopefully joining you in the brigade of Midshipmen. For those who are like me, stuck in the admissioms, nominations, and Dodmerb processes, push forward, and everything that is meant to be will happen one day.
(and I really hope this message did not come off as " i am better than everyone here". I hope not, i respect each and every single candidate, parent of candidate, alumni, BGOs, mods, etc.)
This might just be a rant about my take on admissions, but I hope this helps in some way.
That being said, decyphering and trying to understand the admissions process hurts more than it helps. True some aspects of it should be known better than not known (nominations, dodmerb, admission rates) but some aspects (slating/principal, waivers, LOAs) are better left a mystery. Trying to understand this process has driven me insane over these past few months, from calling admissions from CA at 6 in the morning, to browsing on SAF during class, to spending nights trying to figure out my best chances, the "what if I don't get a nomination" type questions.
My word to all my fellow candidates is that we have made it this far in life, and stuff will fall into place. What is meant to be will eventually simply be. It is all just a matter of time. Whether we get to Plebe Summer in June or off to civilian colleges in the Fall, we will all share the the same experience to applying to USNA. Think about it. 14000 applicants in the world, less than 10% of that on SAF, we should all be proud of what we have accomplished.
(i realized i am talking like I already got in, I didnt, but I am just trying to show my fellow candidates optimism and that we are all on the same boat.)
To those who made it in, congratulations, and I look forward to hopefully joining you in the brigade of Midshipmen. For those who are like me, stuck in the admissioms, nominations, and Dodmerb processes, push forward, and everything that is meant to be will happen one day.
(and I really hope this message did not come off as " i am better than everyone here". I hope not, i respect each and every single candidate, parent of candidate, alumni, BGOs, mods, etc.)
This might just be a rant about my take on admissions, but I hope this helps in some way.
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No…this is akin to letting USNA that you got an appointment to another SA. The scholarship is really another “admissions process.”
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No. USNA fully expects candidates are applying to other SAs and ROTC scholarship programs and often succeeding. Sometimes not. USNA is seeing roughly the same info and evaluating it according to its own criteria for class-building. They will be keeping their eyes in the boat.
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This aligns with my BGO training in Annapolis this summer.
"Amazing stats." High three-point percentage?
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Source? Parent rumors perhaps.
USNA has used the Whole Person Multiple for many years and for the most part is not substantially different from USMA and USAFA
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How about all county/area in two sports, captain of both while also valedictorian of high school class. (one of my BGO kids some years back)"Amazing stats." High three-point percentage?
How about all conf in one sport, Multi year Capt in one sport, Capt in another sport, Capt of Debate and Math Olympiad, Eagle Scout, 1500 SATs, within top 10% class rank, multiple APs while also having a 10-12 hr/week job through the school year. (my son).
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When did he sleep? Summertime?
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He managed his time well and has continued to do so through USNA, Nuke Power School and DivO and Dept Head tours.
Two season varsity athlete at USNA (like Dad) but very good grades, etc.
Quick preface, Navy is currently my top choice for service academy; however, I would be more than happy to attend any service academy. I received news yesterday that I got an appointment to USMA. Knowing what I prefaced this message with, my USMA admissions liaison informed me that I should accept the appointment as I can always turn it down in the future should I receive an appointment to Navy. I trust his judgment (he has been an amazing help throughout my application process). Still, I want to get a second opinion, especially from the Navy admissions side, before I accept my appointment regarding how this could or could not affect my application to Navy (and NROTC as well).
This is typical. The admissions board resolves the presidential slates early on. Starting in January, you’ll see them work their way through the states- a couple each week. And in no particular order. My son’s year our state just happened to be one of the last ones and his appt came in mid-April. At the end (April-May) they do prior enlisted, civilian prep, reapplicants, NAPSters. And then they move on to waitlisters up until the week before I-Day at the end of June.
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DS has been smitten by USNA since sophomore year. Was fortunate enough to attend summer stem, NASS & a CVW. I know those have no bearing on an admission decision but he thoroughly enjoyed every visit and it solidified his plan. Now a senior, his app is complete. Not a varsity athlete (marching band member throughout high school) but passed CFA & DODMERB w/o waivers. I think he’s strong academically, but is taking the ACT (33) again on 12/9 to try for another point or two. He’s completed 1 MOC interview and has 2 more this week. On Tues he was called by the first MOC and notified he is receiving the primary nomination to USNA. I know that’s not 100%, but it’s pretty close, right? Any estimates how long it will be before we hear from USNA? He also has NROTC app in with back up plan for in state school with STEM program. Thanks from a newbie parent.
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Your son is in good shape. If your son has the principal nomination on a MOC slate, noted he has cleared DoDMERB and CFA, then USNA just has to find him admissible on all other academic-scholastic elements that are evaluated. Though USNA is technically not bound to offer him an appointment (oddly, the legal language does require USMA and USAFA to do so), they usually do for the principal nom candidates who are deemed fully qualified. USNA typically does not tell candidates if they are fully qualified.
Sometime between now and md-April, he will know. Let’s hope sooner rather than later! USNA may want to resolve various slates or wait until all applications are in. Lots of parallel and intersecting Admissions internal processes occur before an appointment is offered. It may just show up in his portal or he might be notified by the MOC. The MOCs are given advance notice. Some choose to notify; some don’t. Your son should have a professional voicemail set up on his phone and take calls from unknown numbers that look likely.
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