Historically, you are absolutely correct.
'Best and brightest' article from hometownannapolis.com
- Thread starter cabarle
- Start date
- Status
No disagreement from me. I am discussing how the process supposed to work and not individual failures (in this case, the officer in charge of the prep school OR the Naval Academy that's forcing unqualified candidates to NAP)
DISCLAIMERS
Neither agreeing or disagreeing with the quoted article. Just providing my opinion.
Okay, then what's the current status of the NAPS?
The bolded section doesn't make sense. The class of 2016 would enter the USNA 3 months before Oct 2012. Did you mean:
"in case of MOC nomination Sep 2010 to Oct 2011"?
If the NAPSters report on July 26th...when would they take a SAT/ACT test that your MOC committee could consider by Oct 2011?
All I was saying is that past data bears out what you were saying.
Apparently the CO who was relieved had some mistaken priorities and students were not being required to do EI and extra study if they were deficient. The problem has been rectified.
To the best of my knowledge, NAPS is in great shape. Spending a couple of days at the Academy next week. I am developing a heck of a questions list.
yes, TGIF
Yes, for nomination purposes NAPsters will have a smaller period to improve their SAT/ACT, but for academic qualification, longer period.
Also could even go as last as Nov 11 as some MOCs hold interviews late and/or accept late scores (i.e. bring your SAT result to the interivew and show it to the panel member)
Absolutely. See what happens when you do something illegial, even if it is only pushing a rogue instructor to the limit, and then perhaps, accidentially crossing the line. You get caught. Treating candidates improperly is a much more serious offense.
Two months to do all of the following: improve, take the test, and then wait for the results (three weeks) to then submit them to the MOC...are you really evaluating these NAPS candidates on their improved SAT/ACT scores, or just on the fact that they are showing commitment by attending NAPS?
Have you seen any of the SAT/ACT scores from any test that the NAPSters have taken while attending NAPS?
Yes - that would be special. All the MOCs in my state require SAT/ACT scores before they will even consider you for an interview. Perhaps the rules are different for NAPSters as their scores wouldn't get them the interview in the first place let alone the courtesy of carrying non official SAT test results to MOC interview.
Which government agency would investigate improper awarding of WPMs based on race and claiming they were assigned because of an evaluation of the candidate's leadership potential?
Last edited:
The USNA may continue to consider a candiates SAT scores until March 1st. Not the MOCs. Their cutoff date is much earlier and needs to be done prior to submitting a slate to the USNA.
Thank you. This test is administered and scored by College Board...correct? Do you know which months they take the tests?
Perhaps, but there were still quite a few facts in that article that took a Freedom of Information Act request to pry from the USNA.
- Joined
- Nov 25, 2007
- Messages
- 9,295
I can hardly imagine the "best and brightest" needing a prep school...perhaps best and brightest is thrown around too much.
Sorry, I've been gone and this post was awhile ago. Yet, I wanted to respond.
Good point most high school kids have not been to Ranger School or in combat. It is not easy to find "real" leadership positions. The seemingly empty ones still help us develop and are better than none. I have been able to lead as a pool manager for two years and develop lifeguards and train asst managers to become managers to keep the people at our pool safe.No sleep and food deprivation like Ranger school, but it has helped and I've learned alot.
I am not a leader on my wrestling team because I am a good wrestler. I'm not the best on my team by far. But, I try as captain to encourage my team members to work harder, work extra, get better, make better grades, drink less beer, be good citizens, pick up our trash after tournaments at other schools gyms and work together. Many wrestlers,at least on our team, come from less than stellar homes. This is their one chance to rise above and have something good in their life. I want that to happen for them, our team , and our school. Thanks for listening to me rant and defend myself a little. I don't know if this even has anything to do with this thread anymore.
Christcorp
15-Year Member
- Joined
- May 21, 2008
- Messages
- 5,382
There's plenty of reasons for diversity. There's plenty of reasons for the prep-schools. But if some of you posting, honestly believe that all those going to the prep-school are stellar candidates except for a minor academic imperfection, you are so naive. Or else you publicly just won't admit the truth. If this wasn't a forum, and we were having this discussion in person, I know for a fact that some here would never be able to say some of the things they do, and keep a straight face.
We all know what the prep-schools are supposedly intended for. But we ALL know also the truth about the "Other" reasons certain individuals go to the prep school. The fact that some people pretend it isn't happening is enough to realize how much crap is being spewed out. And THAT is enough for me to say "Adios". I don't mind discussing, debating, disagreeing, persuading, and all other forms of dialog. But don't pee on my head and tell me it's raining. With what's going on, maybe I can save the watch. Anyway; see you all on the NEXT thread.
We all know what the prep-schools are supposedly intended for. But we ALL know also the truth about the "Other" reasons certain individuals go to the prep school. The fact that some people pretend it isn't happening is enough to realize how much crap is being spewed out. And THAT is enough for me to say "Adios". I don't mind discussing, debating, disagreeing, persuading, and all other forms of dialog. But don't pee on my head and tell me it's raining. With what's going on, maybe I can save the watch. Anyway; see you all on the NEXT thread.
- Joined
- Dec 15, 2010
- Messages
- 59
Military Leaders
After reading this, I have a question. Who produces the best leaders, NROTC or USNA?
After reading this, I have a question. Who produces the best leaders, NROTC or USNA?
- Joined
- Feb 2, 2008
- Messages
- 3,059
VMI and Army (sorry -it just seemed too good an opportunity to pass by
)Good for you. Going back to the original discussion (Div I's athlete's presumed leadership abilities), we often follow the stereotype, which are often true, but we should qualify our statements and provide supporting facts/data.
Both, most will agree that its not the commissioning source, rather individuals.
Suppose, I could argue that SA provide better leadership education/opportunties than ROTC or based on the fact around 50% of 4 star generals in the Army now are West Point graduates when West Point only provides less than 20% of Army officers and so on.
We could even do a short survey, who we consider to be good leaders (perhaps limiting to O7 or above) and see their commissiong sources.
But unless we could create multiple universesand see what happens to one General Petraeus starting with a ROTC program vs another with West Point, we will never know.
I guess it would all boil down to the definition of both 'stellar' and 'minor', but if you plan to hang around this thread, you might want to invest in some good rain gear.
With the definition of 'best' being promotable, USNA of course. There are a lot of people who somehow think that leaders are born, not made. This is not true. USNA, being a 24/7 leadership laboratory, will cause USNA midshipmen to experience a lot more than their ROTC counterparts.
Secondly, the USNA environment will cause those midshipmen to be around active duty officers to a much greater extent than their ROTC counterparts. The active duty environment will seem less alien to them once they graduate.
Thirdly, more is expected of the Academy grad and, thusly, a greater chance to prove oneself. I was involved in JO placement for my entire career. I have never heard anyone say, "Lets give the ROTC guy that job. It is a mess and we need someone to clean it up." The opposite is not true.
These three items, especially the last two, will give the USNA grad a slight head start and a lot of careers are either made or broken in those first couple of years.
- Joined
- Nov 25, 2007
- Messages
- 9,295
Mongo will tutor you in the fleets use of Ringer Knocker, and its negative definitions. It exists in each service to some degree, but it seems to be pronounced in the Navy.
- Status