AFROTC 2015 Enrollment Allocations

Lolz777 said:
well I hope they are correct about the being moved to a non rated bored, it would be really unfortunate to go to field training and do your 300 year only to be kicked out of the program.
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Many were told last year if not enough of the class of 14 left, HQ AFROTC would be required to hold a separation board(RIF) in the fall of their 400 year. Enough decided to leave, thus no board, but it has happened just recently and depending on the manpower needs of the AF in the future it might happen again.

All you can do is be the best you can be, and understand sometimes it is all about timing. Class of 12 had 55% SFT selection rate, but @2600 SFT slots, graduated from SFT, and 100% guaranteed you will commission. Class of 14 had 93%, but than was forced into separation/RIF aspect. 16 had 58%, and we will see what happens.

If my child was born 2 years later who knows if he would have even received a scholarship. He has no control over timing because he has no control over the year he was born. Just saying for those that place any emphasis on how successful or non successful they are in ROTC, remember timing is part of the equation you can't control.
 
Sled said:
No, it happened to a former cadet at our detachment. He took his AFOQT and passed, attended field training, then retook it to have a better rated slot chance but failed. He was let go. We took it our first time this fall so we had a chance to retake it before FT. I would like to mention though that no matter how early cadets take it there is nothing to stop you from taking it again after FT and if you fail you're out.
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wow that defiantly makes me reconsider taking it next fall
 
Lolz777 said:
wow that defiantly makes me reconsider taking it next fall
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It is definitely something to be aware of. I don't want to instill fear into you but the fact is that it happens and it is unfortunate. Let's just get through FT first! :muscles2:
 
Sled said:
No, it happened to a former cadet at our detachment. He took his AFOQT and passed, attended field training, then retook it to have a better rated slot chance but failed. He was let go. We took it our first time this fall so we had a chance to retake it before FT. I would like to mention though that no matter how early cadets take it there is nothing to stop you from taking it again after FT and if you fail you're out.
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Sled,

Has something changed? Last I know they did it like SAT/ACT best sitting score was reported, big difference is you get only 2 tries and they must be 180 days apart. In the former cadets case at your det. I would have thought his 1st AFOQT would have been on record.

Were they class of 14? Could it have been they (CoC/PMS) just said to him/her....look you scored bottom 50% out of SFT, your AFOQT scores aren't high enough to get your dream AFSC, and if there aren't enough cadets in your year group to voluntarily leave they will do a RIF, chances being high that you will be on the list. IOWS, they decided to disenroll, HQ AFROTC did not decide it for them.

Not trying to argue, just trying to understand if the system has truly changed and they no longer use best sitting or if it was the year group the former cadet was in.
 
Pima said:
Sled,

Has something changed? Last I know they did it like SAT/ACT best sitting score was reported, big difference is you get only 2 tries and they must be 180 days apart. In the former cadets case at your det. I would have thought his 1st AFOQT would have been on record.

Were they class of 14? Could it have been they (CoC/PMS) just said to him/her....look you scored bottom 50% out of SFT, your AFOQT scores aren't high enough to get your dream AFSC, and if there aren't enough cadets in your year group to voluntarily leave they will do a RIF, chances being high that you will be on the list. IOWS, they decided to disenroll, HQ AFROTC did not decide it for them.

Not trying to argue, just trying to understand if the system has truly changed and they no longer use best sitting or if it was the year group the former cadet was in.
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From my understanding, the latest AFOQT score is what counts. So if you fail the second time, you are out, despite passing the first time. I hope that adds some type of clarification.
 
Pima said:
Sled,

Has something changed? Last I know they did it like SAT/ACT best sitting score was reported, big difference is you get only 2 tries and they must be 180 days apart. In the former cadets case at your det. I would have thought his 1st AFOQT would have been on record.

Were they class of 14? Could it have been they (CoC/PMS) just said to him/her....look you scored bottom 50% out of SFT, your AFOQT scores aren't high enough to get your dream AFSC, and if there aren't enough cadets in your year group to voluntarily leave they will do a RIF, chances being high that you will be on the list. IOWS, they decided to disenroll, HQ AFROTC did not decide it for them.

Not trying to argue, just trying to understand if the system has truly changed and they no longer use best sitting or if it was the year group the former cadet was in.
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They take the most recent scores so if it is failed the cadet is released. He took the AFOQT before FT and passed. It was only after he came back that he failed and was released from the program. If he would not have retook it chances are he would be getting his commission this spring.
 
That is interesting. I always thought they use the best sitting. Our DS only took it once (scored in the 90s), and he wanted rated, so TBAS was something he really cared about regarding the must take exams.

i wonder why an CoC would recommend to a cadet that completed SFT why they should risk it. My guess is the reason why would be to offset another weakness in their OML if they wanted the high demand non-rated positions, such as, Intel.
~ IE ranked bottom 50% SFT, 3.30 cgpa non tech and a 35 Cum AFOQT, with a 94 PFT, and a CoC ranking of top 50%.
 
Pima said:
That is interesting. I always thought they use the best sitting. Our DS only took it once (scored in the 90s), and he wanted rated, so TBAS was something he really cared about regarding the must take exams.

i wonder why an CoC would recommend to a cadet that completed SFT why they should risk it. My guess is the reason why would be to offset another weakness in their OML if they wanted the high demand non-rated positions, such as, Intel.
~ IE ranked bottom 50% SFT, 3.30 cgpa non tech and a 35 Cum AFOQT, with a 94 PFT, and a CoC ranking of top 50%.
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Cadre probably didn't suggest it unless it was already really low. The thing is that I don't thing they can stop you if you want to take it again. He probably thought he could improve and just simply didn't do as well. I know the cadre have told me that I CAN retake it but they don't suggest doing so with the scores I have currently.
 
I get that they can retake it if they want and the Cadre can't stop them, but what I don't get is taking the risk because if I am correct the way the scoring works is not you got 95% of the answers correct, but scored in the top 95% of those that took the exam with you, thus it is an ever moving line.

A 95% cadet could answer all of the same answers like they did last year, but because for whatever reason cadets scored higher during their 2nd attempt, they could drop to an 80%. Hence, I would think CoCs like yours would say hold tight.

Again, for those going rated, they have to take the TBAS, which makes this really moot.
 
Pima said:
I get that they can retake it if they want and the Cadre can't stop them, but what I don't get is taking the risk because if I am correct the way the scoring works is not you got 95% of the answers correct, but scored in the top 95% of those that took the exam with you, thus it is an ever moving line.

A 95% cadet could answer all of the same answers like they did last year, but because for whatever reason cadets scored higher during their 2nd attempt, they could drop to an 80%. Hence, I would think CoCs like yours would say hold tight.

Again, for those going rated, they have to take the TBAS, which makes this really moot.
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That's the main point cadets should understand. It may end up being just plain luck to a certain degree. Everything counts but it is just a small part of the package that isn't worth losing enrollment over.
 
Sled said:
That's the main point cadets should understand. It may end up being just plain luck to a certain degree. Everything counts but it is just a small part of the package that isn't worth losing enrollment over.
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well I am pretty sure I wont be taking it over again, my scores honestly aren't that great (60s and 70s) if I remember correctly, but given the risk it doesn't seem like a good idea to retake it.
 
^^Like they said, with the AFOQT they can only take your latest score. You just have to pass it to stay in the program, the requirements aren't that hard. If that cadet took it a 2nd time and failed it, they must have been close to failing it the first time. If you scored in the 60-70's there's no way your score is going to drop to below the 15 and 10 you need to pass. I wouldn't take this example as a reason not to retake the AFOQT. Just know that you risk scoring lower, so actually study for it. It's just like any other standardized test. The first time you take it it's an aptitude test, every time after that it's an achievement test (i.e. how much did you learn between the last time you took the test and this time). If you don't study for it the 2nd time, there's no point in taking it again because you'll just get the same score or lower.
 
AFOQT is always the most recent test you take, otherwise everyone would just keep taking it in order to get a higher score. Unless your scores are bad enough to put you at a large deficit in points, I suggest you do not retake, that's exactly what my cadre told me. Look at the averages and see where you line up, my cadre told me I was perfectly competitive and it would be too risky.
 
Very true.

I just assumed, and we all know what assume means, that since they were allowing a year or two back the SAT/ACT to replace the AFOQT, whichever was better, than they were taking the highest score.

JMPO, and with $2.07 you can buy a small coffee from Starbucks, that they should go back to what they did years ago. 100/250s are mandated to be given the exam in Sept. 200s are given the option to retake it with the 100/250s.

I feel an overall consensus that most CoC/Cadre are like my DSs, and tell cadets that are selected for SFT, DON'T DO IT!
~ I would think because of the new sign rated or nonrated for SFT selection, they would especially say it because TBAS is the rated exam they require.

Additionally, from a big picture view. Ranking out of SFT can offset any low AFOQT score.
 
Pima said:
Very true.

I just assumed, and we all know what assume means, that since they were allowing a year or two back the SAT/ACT to replace the AFOQT, whichever was better, than they were taking the highest score.

JMPO, and with $2.07 you can buy a small coffee from Starbucks, that they should go back to what they did years ago. 100/250s are mandated to be given the exam in Sept. 200s are given the option to retake it with the 100/250s.

I feel an overall consensus that most CoC/Cadre are like my DSs, and tell cadets that are selected for SFT, DON'T DO IT!
~ I would think because of the new sign rated or nonrated for SFT selection, they would especially say it because TBAS is the rated exam they require.

Additionally, from a big picture view. Ranking out of SFT can offset any low AFOQT score.
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I agree that it should be done that way. It's a cost effective thing to do. I believe that the way it goes now is that if you haven't took the AFOQT then your ACT/SAT score goes in for selection. If you did take the AFOQT I think they convert the score and take whatever is better out of your ACT/SAT vs. AFOQT score. That's the way I've had it explained to me.
 
Sled said:
I agree that it should be done that way. It's a cost effective thing to do. I believe that the way it goes now is that if you haven't took the AFOQT then your ACT/SAT score goes in for selection. If you did take the AFOQT I think they convert the score and take whatever is better out of your ACT/SAT vs. AFOQT score. That's the way I've had it explained to me.
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I took it last fall with the other 200s and since my SAT/ACT score was better than my AFOQT I was told that it was the one that would be used for my evaluation for a SFT slot.
 
The way they choose what to use for your OM score is they take your SAT-E. The three scores that can be used for the SAT-E are the SAT, the ACT, or the AFOQT Academic Aptitude section.

To determine which of those three are used, they are placed side-by-side on this chart from AFROTCI 36-2011. So let's say you scored a 74 on the Academic Aptitude section, a 30 on the ACT, and a 1330 on the SAT. Using that chart, your SAT-E scores would be as follows:

Academic Aptitude SAT-E: 1310
ACT SAT-E: 1320
SAT SAT-E: 1330

So because your SAT's score was higher, that score will be used in determining your OM. To note: you can only convert from AFOQT-AA/ACT/SAT to SAT-E. You cannot convert from SAT-E to AFOQT-AA/ACT because it will be inaccurate.
 
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