Air Force vs Navy

[2013MidDad]

Yes, there will be more fans attending the AF - Navy football game, but THE BIG GAME of the day is instead AF - Navy Women's Rugby ! ! !

[FONT="[B][B][COLOR="DarkSlateBlue"][/COLOR][/B][/B]Arial Black"]GO NAVY[/FONT]

 

[jtoye]

^ Even more important than either of those games will be the Paul Short Run at Lehigh University whose field will include Navy and West Point.

 

[Christcorp]

Ummmmmm..... Naaaaaaaaaaaa

COLLEGE FOOTBALL IS EVERYTHING!!!!!

Although, I think there's a chess tournament going on later in the day.

 

[MIDNDAD]

Yes, there will be more fans attending the AF - Navy football game, but THE BIG GAME of the day is instead AF - Navy Women's Rugby ! ! !

[FONT="[B][B][COLOR="DarkSlateBlue"][/COLOR][/B][/B]Arial Black"]GO NAVY[/FONT]

Navy Womens Rugby should draw first blood from Air Force at 07:30 Saturday.

 

[falconchic88]

Navy Mens Rugby defeated Air Force last nite, 19-15--
GO NAVY RUGBY!

 

[flieger83]

Well...I will say this:

The NAVY fans should be proud: their team put up a great fight today! It wasn't their day, but they did well.

Steve
USAFA ALO
USAFA '83

 

[Memphis9489]

Well...I will say this:

The NAVY fans should be proud: their team put up a great fight today! It wasn't their day, but they did well.

Steve
USAFA ALO
USAFA '83

Very nice of you to say - but I'd say that Navy actually played rather poorly. The only highlight for Navy is that their defense was able to come up with some turnovers and hold the Air Force offense to 14pts. That should be good enough to win. That's pretty much where it ends.

In general, it was not a particularly exciting football game unless you had a dog in the hunt.

If we could move our opponent's goal line to the 5yd-line, Navy would probably be 4-0 right now. Whose idea was it to make the field 100yds long, anyway? What a dumb idea!

 

[Mongo]

In general, it was not a particularly exciting football game unless you had a dog in the hunt.

I thought it was pretty darned exciting, except for not one but three attempts up the middle to set up the missed field goal. Both teams made mistakes which is typical for games such as these, AF capitalized on our mistakes. We did not do the same for theirs.

AFA continues to wonder why their games will never become the rivalry that has become Army-Navy. They need to look no further than their actions. Just this past one, which is typical:
1. Entire corps, or whatever they call themselves, instead or marching off the field, literally ran over the midshipmen, knocking many, including females, to the ground. Totally classless.
2. The AF defensive player who kicked the Navy blocker, who was blocking him, in the head. The announcers were correct. He should have been ejected from the game. And since that didn't happen, the coach should have sent him to the locker room. Again, totally classless for both the player and the coaching staff.
3. The facemask incident. Surely the AF tackler knows why facemask tackles are illegial. THEY CAUSE SERIOUS INJURIES. Initially, he may not have known he had the facemask. But when he made the final effort, I'm sure he did. It was the most violent one I have ever seen. He too should have been ejected. Once again, totally classless.

Navy respects Army. Always have. Always will. They have a ways to go before it will happen with AFA.

 

[scoutpilot]

The big game of the day was WOMEN'S RUGBY? Am I reading this right?

I agree about the kick, but not about the facemask. With his momentum and the grip he had, that guy was going down whether he let go or not. I don't think he meant to facemask him...one of those heat-of-the-moment-trying-to-make-a-play things. I would have liked to see him help him up instead of just walking away. That would have showed some class.

Navy/Air Force and Army/Air Force will never hold a candle to Army/Navy. Totally different culture, plus the A/N game itself pre-dates manned flight. It'll always be a mid-season grudge match, but not more.

 

[DevilDog]

I thought it was pretty darned exciting, except for not one but three attempts up the middle to set up the missed field goal. Both teams made mistakes which is typical for games such as these, AF capitalized on our mistakes. We did not do the same for theirs.

AFA continues to wonder why their games will never become the rivalry that has become Army-Navy. They need to look no further than their actions. Just this past one, which is typical:
1. Entire corps, or whatever they call themselves, instead or marching off the field, literally ran over the midshipmen, knocking many, including females, to the ground. Totally classless.
2. The AF defensive player who kicked the Navy blocker, who was blocking him, in the head. The announcers were correct. He should have been ejected from the game. And since that didn't happen, the coach should have sent him to the locker room. Again, totally classless for both the player and the coaching staff.
3. The facemask incident. Surely the AF tackler knows why facemask tackles are illegial. THEY CAUSE SERIOUS INJURIES. Initially, he may not have known he had the facemask. But when he made the final effort, I'm sure he did. It was the most violent one I have ever seen. He too should have been ejected. Once again, totally classless.

Navy respects Army. Always have. Always will. They have a ways to go before it will happen with AFA.

I guess that it has nothing to do with the fact that Army and Navy have been playing each other since dirt and Air Force is a relatively new school. You can find examples of that type of behavior at every school. Didn't Navy just boot a kid for all his discipline problems after doing everything they could to keep him. Also, to call AF classless is a complete disservice to a fine academy and the students that go there and graduated from there.

 

[singaporemom]

1. Entire corps, or whatever they call themselves, instead or marching off the field, literally ran over the midshipmen, knocking many, including females, to the ground. Totally classless.

I was quite stunned to hear what DS had to do to get onto and off of the field in one piece for the march on. Will be interested to hear how the Army/Navy march on goes.

 

[scoutpilot]

I was quite stunned to hear what DS had to do to get onto and off of the field in one piece for the march on. Will be interested to hear how the Army/Navy march on goes.

It will be uneventful. It's planned much better and the student body of the visiting team is in the stands before the home side marches on.

 

[Mongo]

I agree about the kick, but not about the facemask. With his momentum and the grip he had, that guy was going down whether he let go or not. I don't think he meant to facemask him...one of those heat-of-the-moment-trying-to-make-a-play things. I would have liked to see him help him up instead of just walking away. That would have showed some class.

Granted. Initially, he probably never knew he had the runner's facemask. However, since it was one of the most prolonged instances I have ever seen, I guarantee you that he eventually did. And the violence occured at the end. After he knew. When he should have let go instead. And if he had only walked away instead of grandstanding. Not a highlight film of what exemplifies SA football.

 

[usna1985]

For those of you who want to understand why USNA vs. USAF is viewed differently by players (and fans) than USNA vs. USMA, I highly recommend "A Civil War" by John Feinstein. Although now somewhat dated (it was written in the 90s), the concepts, emotions, etc. are still much the same. A great read.

 

[Christcorp]

Yes, the facemask was unfortunate, but honestly, it was unintentional. And the refs caught the penalty and gave it to Navy. But seriously, it was unintentional. A lot of things in the game of football happen, and many times it's unintentional. It's part of the game.

As for the cadets running off the field after the form up. 3 things. 1) Except for the service academy games, the opposing team is NEVER on the field. 2) This is how the cadets leave the field after formation. EVERY GAME. This is normal. 3) The Navy cadets WERE BRIEFED on this. Those marching in formation on the field KNEW this was coming. Many of our cadet posters were there when they were briefed. I hope no one on Navy got hurt, but this is our Spirit Tradition, and they knew it was going to happen. Again, hopefully, no midi was injured.

On top of all of that, it was a good hard fought game. Navy and Air Force played hard. It was a defensive game. Navy caused turnovers and held airforce to 14 points. Very good defense. Air Force was able to hold Navy to no touch downs at all. Very impressive. Especially considering what a great QB and athlete Dobbs is. It was simply "Our Time".

 

[Memphis9489]

I thought it was pretty darned exciting, except for not one but three attempts up the middle to set up the missed field goal.

Like I said, it was a fairly unexciting football game unless you had a "dog in the hunt" - which you did.

If somebody was just channel surfing and stumbled upon the Navy/Air Force game, if their intent was just to watch a good football game, they probably changed channels pretty quickly. Watching two triple option teams butt heads can be fairly boring. Having said that, I think Navy threw more passes in that game than they've thrown all season up to this point. Other than the desperation passes at the end, I think they threw when they shouldn't have and failed to throw when they should have.

The first-and-goal on the 3yd line and coming up with ZILCH was a killer.

 

[Mongo]

Watching two triple option teams butt heads can be fairly boring. Having said that, I think Navy threw more passes in that game than they've thrown all season up to this point. Other than the desperation passes at the end, I think they threw when they shouldn't have and failed to throw when they should have.

Actually, Navy has been quite balanced this year; 6 for 10 for 73 yds against UMD, 4-9, 36 yds against SGA, 8 for 14 for 219 yards, all in the 1st half, against LATech. So averaging 6 for 11 for a 109 average coming in and 6 completions for 103 yds Sat was about as average as one can get.

I agree that the 18 attempts with 2 interceptions had something to do with some of the desperation plays. However, the wind seemed to be a huge factor which RD never seem to be able to account for properly. Overthrows down wind and underthrows upwind consistently throughout the game.

I still think he is attempting to do too much by himself. The 3rd and goal, first two keepers up the middle and then a FB up the middle. And a holding penalty in there somewhere.

 

[singaporemom]

Let's see if I understand this clearly......

While waiting in the tunnel to march on, getting punched, ribbed, water bottles thrown...that's to be expected.

(So much expected that actual AF personnel were reading the riot act to the cadets)

While leaving the field, cadets run through their visiting school, elbowing, trampling, ripping off shoulder boards, stealing covers, punching in the ribs.

Okay, consider me briefed on the ways of the Air Force Academy. Thank you.

 

[Mongo]

Yes, the facemask was unfortunate, but honestly, it was unintentional. And the refs caught the penalty and gave it to Navy. But seriously, it was unintentional. A lot of things in the game of football happen, and many times it's unintentional. It's part of the game. I agree that the beginning was unintentional. However, the prolonged violent ending was not unintentional. Has anyone heard about the condition of our runner who left the game with serious neck injuries?

As for the cadets running off the field after the form up. 3 things. 1) Except for the service academy games, the opposing team is NEVER on the field. 2) This is how the cadets leave the field after formation. EVERY GAME. This is normal. 3) The Navy cadets WERE BRIEFED on this. Those marching in formation on the field KNEW this was coming. Many of our cadet posters were there when they were briefed. I hope no one on Navy got hurt, but this is our Spirit Tradition, and they knew it was going to happen. Again, hopefully, no midi was injured. Are we blaming the victims here? Doing something when no one else is on the field and doing it when others are indeed on the field is obviously two totally different scenarios. Is 'briefing' them sufficient? Is your "hopes" that no one was seriously injured, sufficient? Were they briefed that the cadets would be taking cheap shots at the mids, especially the female ones? Just from a one time observation, doing what one normally does and doing what they do with their arch rivals on the field is probably not good planning. Do you think the mids were briefed to expect cheap shots in the back, especially to the females?

Singaporemom, we cross posted.

 

[Memphis9489]

I really think we have to get out of the business of whining about being slighted or disrespected in some way every time we lose a football game. It smacks of sour grapes.

Air Force was better than Navy last Saturday. In fact, the general consensus was that they were an all-around better team than Navy. After all, Air Force was favored to win. And they did. The final result was really no big surprise. In fact, I think Navy did an outstanding job on defense. It was the OFFENSE that sputtered. The defense gave Navy a chance to win that game. You have to be able to score at least one touchdown in 4 quarters.