Appointments Left?

Appointments can be a complicated process. Especially if a person has more than 1 nomination. This is why the academy may wait longer than you'd expect. So they can "Maximize" the appointments.

Example: Let's say you have a MOC Principal Nomination and you're guaranteed the appointment. (Assuming you're 100% qualified). You'd think that they should just give you the appointment. But what if you also received another nomination. Senator, Presidential, etc. While you're still guaranteed to get the appointment, the academy may CHOOSE to give you the appointment using your other nomination, because they have someone else who who ONLY has 1 nomination from the same source you got your principal from. If they give you the appointment from the principal nom, then the other person can't get an appointment except from possibly the national pool. But they may already have more than enough in the national pool they'd like to give appointments to. But if they give you the nomination using your OTHER nomination; e.g. presidential, then they can give the appointment to the other person using their moc nomination (That they had, and you had the principal with); which frees up someone else in the national pool for an appointment.

The examples are endless. Can you see how "Complicated" the process can potentially be. This is also another reason the academy has REDUCED giving out early appointments. (October-November). My son is a perfect example. He received his Presidential Nomination in July immediately after submitting his completed application. (I'm retired military, so he got the presidential). Well, his application was such, that they offered him an appointment at the end of October. But, because he accepted it immediately, we contacted his state rep and senators (MOCs) and informed him that he no longer needed to get a nomination from them. That they could cancel his interview. Being he already ACCEPTED the appointment. Well obviously, the academy doesn't like this. They wanted my son to also have nominations from the MOC's, so they could TAKE BACK the Presidential and give it to someone else. But because my son accepted the appointment, and turned down MOC interviews/nominations, the academy HAD to use the presidential for him. They couldn't change their mind and TAKE BACK the appointment. The same thing happened the following year when another kid (I was his ALO) had an appointment and his presidential nomination in November. But he went through the MOC nomination anyway and received one. The academy took BACK the presidential nomination and gave it to someone else somewhere else in the country. This meant that our STATE lost an appointment. Just the 2 senators and 1 representative. But with my son turning down the MOC interviews/nominations, the state still got those 3 appointments, and my son got an appointment with the presidential.

It's a numbers game. The academy would love it if they got to choose ALL of the appointments. But that wouldn't be fair, plus it's against federal law. The law is written so that approximately half (+/- 535 appointments) come from the 435 congressional districts; and 100 from each state X 2. Everyone pays taxes, which pay for the academies, so there should be some equity in representation. The other 600+ appointments, the academy gets to choose. Anyway; it's a complicated process. You probably didn't need or want to hear my explanation. But I was bored and had a couple of minutes. And I just wanted to show how complicated it could be at times.
 
Christcorp said:
Appointments can be a complicated process. Especially if a person has more than 1 nomination. This is why the academy may wait longer than you'd expect. So they can "Maximize" the appointments.

Example: Let's say you have a MOC Principal Nomination and you're guaranteed the appointment. (Assuming you're 100% qualified). You'd think that they should just give you the appointment. But what if you also received another nomination. Senator, Presidential, etc. While you're still guaranteed to get the appointment, the academy may CHOOSE to give you the appointment using your other nomination, because they have someone else who who ONLY has 1 nomination from the same source you got your principal from. If they give you the appointment from the principal nom, then the other person can't get an appointment except from possibly the national pool. But they may already have more than enough in the national pool they'd like to give appointments to. But if they give you the nomination using your OTHER nomination; e.g. presidential, then they can give the appointment to the other person using their moc nomination (That they had, and you had the principal with); which frees up someone else in the national pool for an appointment.

The examples are endless. Can you see how "Complicated" the process can potentially be. This is also another reason the academy has REDUCED giving out early appointments. (October-November). My son is a perfect example. He received his Presidential Nomination in July immediately after submitting his completed application. (I'm retired military, so he got the presidential). Well, his application was such, that they offered him an appointment at the end of October. But, because he accepted it immediately, we contacted his state rep and senators (MOCs) and informed him that he no longer needed to get a nomination from them. That they could cancel his interview. Being he already ACCEPTED the appointment. Well obviously, the academy doesn't like this. They wanted my son to also have nominations from the MOC's, so they could TAKE BACK the Presidential and give it to someone else. But because my son accepted the appointment, and turned down MOC interviews/nominations, the academy HAD to use the presidential for him. They couldn't change their mind and TAKE BACK the appointment. The same thing happened the following year when another kid (I was his ALO) had an appointment and his presidential nomination in November. But he went through the MOC nomination anyway and received one. The academy took BACK the presidential nomination and gave it to someone else somewhere else in the country. This meant that our STATE lost an appointment. Just the 2 senators and 1 representative. But with my son turning down the MOC interviews/nominations, the state still got those 3 appointments, and my son got an appointment with the presidential.

It's a numbers game. The academy would love it if they got to choose ALL of the appointments. But that wouldn't be fair, plus it's against federal law. The law is written so that approximately half (+/- 535 appointments) come from the 435 congressional districts; and 100 from each state X 2. Everyone pays taxes, which pay for the academies, so there should be some equity in representation. The other 600+ appointments, the academy gets to choose. Anyway; it's a complicated process. You probably didn't need or want to hear my explanation. But I was bored and had a couple of minutes. And I just wanted to show how complicated it could be at times.
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Good info. Thanks for the explanation.
 
Sportsfan (and I assume that includes FENCING and STEELER FOOTBALL), I ignored your second question, since it had been answered already.

I suggest to you, and to other "waiters," peruse through prior years appointment threads and see when they were passed out. After 2008 or '10, the number decreased some, but the timing wasn't that much altered.
 
Quick clarification on my previous post. When I said the academy took back a presidential nomination, that's not what I meant. They can't take back the actual nomination. If you qualify for a presidential nomination, you get it. No stopping that. But only a maximum of 100 appointments can be given using a presidential nomination. So in my previous post, when I said the academy took back the presidential, I meant to say they took back the appointment charged against the presidential nomination so they could give an appointment to another presidential nominee. Sorry if I confused anyone.
 
Christcorp said:
The same thing happened the following year when another kid (I was his ALO) had an appointment and his presidential nomination in November. But he went through the MOC nomination anyway and received one. The academy took BACK the presidential nomination and gave it to someone else somewhere else in the country.
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CC, kindly elaborate...The nomination was earned by/for the applicant, how could it be easily given to someone else?
Thanks.
 
How it likely that districts 2 and 8 MO will give nominations to more than 1 academy per applicant?
 
Call the congressional aide for each district who is in charge of Academy nominations. Most will be quite candid with you; particularly if they have a policy one way or another. If they don't have any policy, then probably a top candidate could get an appointment to multiple Academies.
 
Christcorp said:
Appointments can be a complicated process. Especially if a person has more than 1 nomination. This is why the academy may wait longer than you'd expect. So they can "Maximize" the appointments.

Example: Let's say you have a MOC Principal Nomination and you're guaranteed the appointment. (Assuming you're 100% qualified). You'd think that they should just give you the appointment. But what if you also received another nomination. Senator, Presidential, etc. While you're still guaranteed to get the appointment, the academy may CHOOSE to give you the appointment using your other nomination, because they have someone else who who ONLY has 1 nomination from the same source you got your principal from. If they give you the appointment from the principal nom, then the other person can't get an appointment except from possibly the national pool. But they may already have more than enough in the national pool they'd like to give appointments to. But if they give you the nomination using your OTHER nomination; e.g. presidential, then they can give the appointment to the other person using their moc nomination (That they had, and you had the principal with); which frees up someone else in the national pool for an appointment.

The examples are endless. Can you see how "Complicated" the process can potentially be. This is also another reason the academy has REDUCED giving out early appointments. (October-November). My son is a perfect example. He received his Presidential Nomination in July immediately after submitting his completed application. (I'm retired military, so he got the presidential). Well, his application was such, that they offered him an appointment at the end of October. But, because he accepted it immediately, we contacted his state rep and senators (MOCs) and informed him that he no longer needed to get a nomination from them. That they could cancel his interview. Being he already ACCEPTED the appointment. Well obviously, the academy doesn't like this. They wanted my son to also have nominations from the MOC's, so they could TAKE BACK the Presidential and give it to someone else. But because my son accepted the appointment, and turned down MOC interviews/nominations, the academy HAD to use the presidential for him. They couldn't change their mind and TAKE BACK the appointment. The same thing happened the following year when another kid (I was his ALO) had an appointment and his presidential nomination in November. But he went through the MOC nomination anyway and received one. The academy took BACK the presidential nomination and gave it to someone else somewhere else in the country. This meant that our STATE lost an appointment. Just the 2 senators and 1 representative. But with my son turning down the MOC interviews/nominations, the state still got those 3 appointments, and my son got an appointment with the presidential.

It's a numbers game. The academy would love it if they got to choose ALL of the appointments. But that wouldn't be fair, plus it's against federal law. The law is written so that approximately half (+/- 535 appointments) come from the 435 congressional districts; and 100 from each state X 2. Everyone pays taxes, which pay for the academies, so there should be some equity in representation. The other 600+ appointments, the academy gets to choose. Anyway; it's a complicated process. You probably didn't need or want to hear my explanation. But I was bored and had a couple of minutes. And I just wanted to show how complicated it could be at times.
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I know this is old, but this is a REALLY good explanation for this hard to grasp concept. Not sure how I ended up here looking through the forums during my morning coffee!!
 
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