fly boy
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If I can't trust them to obey simple laws such as these, how can I trust them to lead others, with national secrets, etc...etc...
How true.
If I can't trust them to obey simple laws such as these, how can I trust them to lead others, with national secrets, etc...etc...
The birds are protected under the federal Migratory Bird Treaty Act. Officers said 30 were shot and 21 were recovered: 11 White Ibis, three Double-crested Cormorants, two Little Blue Herons, a Tricolored Heron, a Snowy Egret, a Cattle Egret, and two Tree Swallows.
Defense attorney Lee Hollander of Naples, who represented Wilhelm, said there wasn’t much negotiating in terms of the plea agreement, but he called it fair.
“The big fear for the four U.S. Naval air trainees is being severed from the service,” Hollander said, adding that the men pleaded to a Class B misdemeanor, not a Class A misdemeanor or a felony. “It’s up to their base commanders in Corpus Christi and Pensacola.”
Navy officials have said they’re conducting their own investigation and the men were placed on administrative hold pending the outcome of the federal case.
At what level of crime/trouble do you go forth with removing someone from the service?
Is it killing birds? Is it DUI? Is it hiring a prostitute? Participating in frat?
What is the opportunity cost for dropping these individuals from training. They are already in primary...they've already spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on their Academy education, they've spent an additional hundreds of thousands of dollars on their aviation training to this point.
Should they be punished...absolutely. Should they be charged with a court martial? Probably not. Should they be dropped from aviation...maybe/probably.
I don't know the full details, and don't feel really like reading the entire court report...but did they even know what kind of birds they were shooting? Who knows. Anyway....will be interesting to see how this plays out.
..but did they even know what kind of birds they were shooting? Who knows.
So I'm going to play Devil's advocate here:
At what level of crime/trouble do you go forth with removing someone from the service?
Is it killing birds? Is it DUI? Is it hiring a prostitute? Participating in frat?
What is the opportunity cost for dropping these individuals from training. They are already in primary...they've already spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on their Academy education, they've spent an additional hundreds of thousands of dollars on their aviation training to this point.
Should they be punished...absolutely. Should they be charged with a court martial? Probably not. Should they be dropped from aviation...maybe/probably.
I don't know the full details, and don't feel really like reading the entire court report...but did they even know what kind of birds they were shooting? Who knows. Anyway....will be interesting to see how this plays out.
I am not sure they could be held for court-martial since this was already disposed of in the federal legal system.
'Bird shooters could get kicked out of Navy'
http://www.navytimes.com/news/2010/04/navy_bird_shooters_042910w/
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