Gender Gap

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  1. arosu13

    arosu13 Member

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    Hey guys, I have a curiosity that I'm hoping can be satisfied. I understand that there's a large enough gender gap in the military with predominantly more males. I was wondering if the Army would be more inclined, then, to offer scholarships to competitive females as opposed to an excessive number of males? I believe that West Point is practicing this. Also, does gender play a factor in the choosing of scholarship winners at all? Thanks.
     
  2. clarksonarmy

    clarksonarmy Recruiting Operations Officer at Clarkson Army 5-Year Member

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    No...scholarships are awarded based on merit
     
  3. Maplerock

    Maplerock Proud to be an American 5-Year Member

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    You are correct. A sharp, locked on female with a good resume stands out like a rose in a cabbage patch.
     
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    k2rider 5-Year Member

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    With all due respect to Clarkson, I don't believe his answer for a second and have been told otherwise by cadre. Everything matters...gender, race and soon enough (**IF** it's anything like the major city police dept I worked for), I imagine you'll get bonus points for being transgender as well.
     
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  5. Oldsalt

    Oldsalt 5-Year Member

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    Clarksonarmy is towing the company line.
    Gender and race can be large factors in scholarship decisions for all services.
    OS
     
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  6. Tex232

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    Yep. Affirmative action is alive and well in the military services.
     
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  7. MohawkArmyROTC

    MohawkArmyROTC Recruiting Operations Officer

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    @clarksonarmy is correct is in his comment. The scholarship is merit based, and based on a point scale which doesn't take into account gender or race. Believe what you like.
     
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  8. Oldsalt

    Oldsalt 5-Year Member

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  9. clarksonarmy

    clarksonarmy Recruiting Operations Officer at Clarkson Army 5-Year Member

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    and in 1,000 small colleges where the ratio of females/males is 60/40 AA is rewarded to males.


     
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  11. Tex232

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    Source?

    Also, the definition of AA is that it’s to account for traditionally underrepresented groups so saying that it’s “rewarded to males” makes no sense if we are considering females to be underrepresented.
     
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  12. Sledge

    Sledge 5-Year Member

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    Being in the Army is just like working at Google or Microsoft, so the gender gap should definitely be addressed. "Excessive number of males," you know what that leads to - toxic masculinity and wars and other icky stuff.

    They should even come up with a catchy slogan to get everyone on board with the effort. "Mind the Gap" or "Go Gillibrand Gang" or something like that.
     
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    Oldsalt 5-Year Member

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  15. MohawkArmyROTC

    MohawkArmyROTC Recruiting Operations Officer

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    All those article links are irrelevant to the thread topic. The question was if race or gender influenced the National Army ROTC Scholarship process. It does not. Yes many Universities and the Academies have quotas, point systems, practice AA, etc. However, that has nothing to do with the original question about getting an ROTC scholarship.

    She does mention the service academies, but they do not give scholarships.
     
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  16. Oldsalt

    Oldsalt 5-Year Member

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    Mohawk,
    I am referring to Army ROTC scholarships.
    Is your premise that ROTC selection is unbiased, while gender and race are part of the appointment process at Westpoint?
    OS
     
  17. NavyLady64

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    I just wanted to say "thanks" to some of the folks here in this thread for completely disrespecting my DD and all the other daughters and females on this board who are working hard to achieve their dream of commissioning and serving. It feels great, let me tell ya. My daughter received a 4 year NROTC scholarship. She had a 4.5 GPA (12 APs - including Calc 1&2), 32 ACT, maxed out her PT, captained her competition Cyber Patriot anti-hacking team to two platinum level national finishes, 1st VP of her class, and achieved the highest rank in her NSCC unit. But, yeah, she probably just got it because she is a female. The *fact* is that females who choose a life in service as a commissioned officer and who apply to the academies and national ROTC scholarships do so with their eyes wide open and a significant number have been aiming for this career for many years - a high percentage are not making this decision "last minute." Because fewer females, in general, even seek this type of career, those that do are *especially committed* to it and therefore their competitive pool by gender is actually quite high.

    Versus some of the males (and some my DD encountered along the way) who think - "hey I played football in high school, hunt, and play World of Warcraft better than all my friends - so I should definitely get an ROTC scholarship." Give me a break. The attitude of *some* on this thread undermines your son's future in whichever branch he chooses, teaches him to disrespect his female cadre/shipmates, gives him permission to make excuses for his own shortcomings rather than working to correct them, and generally promotes a lack of esprit d'corps - all things that are the antithesis of the values held by the Army, Navy, and the Air Force. So, if they aren't up to upholding those values, perhaps they should seek a different career.

    I do want to give a special shoutout though to all the ROTC unit staff (of all branches) on this board who have defended against this attitude here - and at all the schools my DD visited - you all are the utmost professionals - never *once* did you treat my DD as if she were something on a gender "checkbox". You approached her as someone you wanted in your unit - because you thought the unit would be better for it - not because you "needed more females." You all could teach some here a thing or two.

    Look, I get the frustration and the waiting and the heartwrenching desire to see your kid get everything that you know they deserve (we were there, trust me) - and this time period is the heart of the worst-- the "sitting and waiting" time period -- but you don't have to tear down anyone else down to build your own kid up. That's not why they want to serve and that's not what the military wants. All I see on this board, regardless of gender, race or whatever, are a lot of incredible kids that give me faith in my country as well as a lot of dedicated parents who unlike so many out there, have raised these great kids and just want the best for them. So let's default to respect and teach our children this as well.

    (yes, I suppose my tone in this post could get me blacklisted, but if this is the way I am going out on this board, so be it.)
     
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  18. Soldiergriz

    Soldiergriz Husband, Dad, Soldier

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    ^^Perfect.

    This thread should have been moved to "Off Topic" long ago. I am thankful for your family's service to our Nation NavyLady64.
     
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    @NavyLady64 ,

    Your tone is no worse than the woe is me tone often expressed when the topic of URM's, recruited athletes and females comes up. If she carries a little bit of a chip on her shoulder then good. However, its better to keep that chip in her pocket(book);) rather than keeping it on full display. She shouldn't fret any "misunderestimation" she might run into along to the way. It will all be to her advantage as she quietly proves herself. I'm sure Tammy Duckworth got a number of side glance looks before she lost her legs.

    I always explained to my DS that there are situations in which URM's might have some advantage over him, the same as there would be situations where his being a blood-haired, blue eyed Protestant Male from the Midwest would be to his advantage and I would expect him to use it.

    Congratulations and best of luck to your DD, but she really better bone up on her World of Warcraft.
     
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  20. NavyLady64

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    Thanks! I assure you, the chip is all mine. She carries none and never has. She has great mentors in her aunt (retired AF) and other females who have been instrumental in keeping her grounded. No, I just finally had to let off steam after a couple of years of hearing "oh she got the full scholarship? It's so much easier for girls..." that I have had to bite my tongue until I couldn't today. My daughter never rises to any of it and just says "thank you, I am very fortunate to have received it and hope to live up to the faith the Navy has shown in me." (Clearly, she is way better than me LOL!)

    (On WW - ha ha! I think she is looking too much forward to using the real thing...).

    Thanks again and I promise everyone, I am done on this.
     
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