How will ROTC work with coronavirus and quarantine?

Jackiechan

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Since I am possibly going to be doing AROTC this upcoming year, I can’t help but wonder what it’s like considering quarantine and covid-19. Is it still just the classes but online and pft by yourself at home?
 
Hopefully by the time school starts up, this mess will be mostly behind us. If not, I can only assume it will be online but I don't know how they'll do teh 1fitness testing because you have to pass it for your scholarship to kick in. I'll leave it at that to avoid politics or hurting peoples feelings.
 
DS AFROTC classes/labs are currently online.
PT is running and logging/reporting miles each week.
His University just announced they will probably be opening back up for fall.
 
The biggest driving factor will be what you college does. We have one student (exchange) who has been told by his east coast school that they will probably be online next semester. Our own new NROTC was told (when inquiring about inquiring for dorm housing) that things at this point are scheduled to be live and ‘normal’...dorms are a ‘go’.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out for students next fall. I’m sure they are working on plans now, COVID won’t be gone. Reality is we will be living with it. Whatever that looks like!

One thing I have wondered, is if people are changing their plans for next year based upon present realities. Perhaps that’s an idea for a new thread 🤔
 
I'm skeptical whether or not schools will want to be back to normal until there is a proven method at fighting this. Remdesivir seems like an okay start and it seems like a few companies are claiming they could potentially have vaccines by September. However, if these fall through we will still be vulnerable to outbreaks and this whole cycle will start over. I can see colleges trending on the "rather safe than sorry" approach.

I think the best piece of advice in this situation is prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
 
Colleges need money. Not just tuition but room and board. 99.9% of Americans have survived the virus and of the .1% that didn’t id bet a wooden nickel not one of them was a healthy college kid without pre-existing medical conditions or tested positive after dying in a high speed car wreck.
 
Take some comfort in the clear thinking and leadership shown by Purdue's president, the ex-CEO of Eli Lilly and former US Budget Director, Mitch Daniels. Purdue will be open this fall, and will use all its resources to test students, quarantine those who test positive, quarantine them etc but will be open and offer in-person, on-campus instruction.

At the risk of sounding political, I'll go out on a limb and assert that this is the kind of leadership we need. As Yogi B. said, it's hard to make predictions about the future - and really hard to predict anything now -- but we should not be surprised if more and more universities in coming weeks start to follow Purdue's strong and courageous, also prudent and wise IMHO, leadership. "Adapt, improvise, overcome."

Here's President Daniels:

Purdue University, for its part, intends to accept students on campus in typical numbers this fall, sober about the certain problems that the COVID-19 virus represents, but determined not to surrender helplessly to those difficulties but to tackle and manage them aggressively and creatively. ...

Distance between people, that is, less density, is now the overriding societal imperative. It could be argued that a college campus will be among the most difficult places to reopen for previously regular activities.

But in other respects, a place like Purdue may be in better position to resume its mission. Our campus community, a “city” of 50,000+ people, is highly unusual in its makeup. At least 80% of our population is made up of young people, say, 35 and under. All data to date tell us that the COVID-19 virus, while it transmits rapidly in this age group, poses close to zero lethal threat to them.

Meanwhile, the virus has proven to be a serious danger to other, older demographic groups, especially those with underlying health problems. The roughly 20% of our Purdue community who are over 35 years old contains a significant number of people with diabetes, asthma, hypertension, and other ailments which together comprise a very high percentage of the fatal and most severe COVID-19 cases.

We will consider new policies and practices that keep these groups separate, or minimize contact between them. Literally, our students pose a far greater danger to others than the virus poses to them. We all have a role, and a responsibility, in ensuring the health of the Purdue community.

The approaches below are preliminary, meant to be illustrative of the objectives we will pursue. View them as examples, likely to be replaced by better ideas as we identify and validate them. They could include spreading out classes across days and times to reduce their size, more use of online instruction for on-campus students, virtualizing laboratory work, and similar steps. ...

We intend to know as much as possible about the viral health status of our community. This could include pre-testing of students and staff before arrival in August, for both infection and post-infection immunity through antibodies. It will include a robust testing system during the school year, using Purdue’s own BSL-2 level laboratory for fast results. Anyone showing symptoms will be tested promptly, and quarantined if positive, in space we will set aside for that purpose.

We expect to be able to trace proximate and/or frequent contacts of those who test positive. Contacts in the vulnerable categories will be asked to self-quarantine for the recommended period, currently 14 days. Those in the young, least vulnerable group will be tested, quarantined if positive, or checked regularly for symptoms if negative for both antibodies and the virus.

Again, these concepts are preliminary, intended mainly to illustrate an overall, data-driven and research-based strategy, and to invite suggestions for their modification or exclusion in favor of better actions. They will be augmented by a host of other changes, such as an indefinite prohibition on gatherings above a specified size, continued limitations on visitors to and travel away from campus, required use of face coverings and other protective equipment, frequent if not daily deep cleaning of facilities, and so forth.

Whatever its eventual components, a return-to-operations strategy is undergirded by a fundamental conviction that even a phenomenon as menacing as COVID-19 is one of the inevitable risks of life. Like most sudden and alarming developments, its dangers are graphic, expressed in tragic individual cases, and immediate; the costs of addressing it are less visible, more diffuse, and longer-term. It is a huge and daunting problem, but the Purdue way has always been to tackle problems, not hide from them.

Closing down our entire society, including our university, was a correct and necessary step. It has had invaluable results. But like any action so drastic, it has come at extraordinary costs, as much human as economic, and at some point, clearly before next fall, those will begin to vastly outweigh the benefits of its continuance. Interrupting and postponing the education of tomorrow’s leaders for another entire semester or year, is one of many such costs. So is permanently damaging the careers and lives of those who have made teaching and research their life’s work, and those who support them in that endeavor.

The COVID-19 virus will remain a fact of life this autumn. Natural immunity, which has been slowed by the shutdown, will not yet have fully developed. No vaccine can be counted on until 2021 at the soonest. It is unclear what course other schools will choose, but Purdue will employ every measure we can adopt or devise to manage this challenge with maximum safety for every member of the Boilermaker family, while proceeding with the noble and essential mission for which our institution stands.

Sincerely,

Mitchell E. Daniels, Jr.

President
 
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The better, more far-sighted university presidents are moving forward, signaling their intention to be open for on-campus instruction in the fall if at all possible. In addition to Purdue, here's who else definitely expects to be open for on-campus instruction come Fall:

TAMU: Pres. Michael Young expects TAMU "to be fully open and operational, with dedicated faculty and staff leaning into preparing for all the requirements necessary to do so safely across academics, athletics and campus activities"

WVU: Pres. Gordon Gee announced in a letter to parents, "Today we feel confident there is enough information to announce our plans that we expect to be on campus for the fall. There are teams across the University developing the new measures, guidelines and precautions we will need to implement to inhibit the spread of COVID-19... We are considering processes for testing, tracing and isolating should another outbreak occur."

Brown: Pres. Christina Paxson wrote a NY Times op-ed titled "College Campuses Must Re-Open in the Fall" and has created a task force that is now planning to open, with careful testing measures in place, in the fall

Boston University: Pres. Robert Brown has announced that BU intends to "resume its on-campus, residential program in the fall of 2020, following the recommended best health practices around the coronavirus pandemic."

Other universities have yet to make an announcement and are studying the issue now. These have announced the following timetable for notifying students of their decision - by end of:
...May: Stanford
...June: Cornell, Ohio State, UT-Austin
...July: Yale

Harvard: likely only online this Fall.
 
The better, more far-sighted university presidents are moving forward, signaling their intention to be open for on-campus instruction in the fall if at all possible. In addition to Purdue, here's who else definitely expects to be open for on-campus instruction come Fall:

TAMU: Pres. Michael Young expects TAMU "to be fully open and operational, with dedicated faculty and staff leaning into preparing for all the requirements necessary to do so safely across academics, athletics and campus activities"

WVU: Pres. Gordon Gee announced in a letter to parents, "Today we feel confident there is enough information to announce our plans that we expect to be on campus for the fall. There are teams across the University developing the new measures, guidelines and precautions we will need to implement to inhibit the spread of COVID-19... We are considering processes for testing, tracing and isolating should another outbreak occur."

Brown: Pres. Christina Paxson wrote a NY Times op-ed titled "College Campuses Must Re-Open in the Fall" and has created a task force that is now planning to open, with careful testing measures in place, in the fall

Boston University: Pres. Robert Brown has announced that BU intends to "resume its on-campus, residential program in the fall of 2020, following the recommended best health practices around the coronavirus pandemic."

Other universities have yet to make an announcement and are studying the issue now. These have announced the following timetable for notifying students of their decision - by end of:
...May: Stanford
...June: Cornell, Ohio State, UT-Austin
...July: Yale

Harvard: likely only online this Fall.
U of Arizona announced recently as well.

Not to mention the President is a MD.
 
Colleges need money. Not just tuition but room and board. 99.9% of Americans have survived the virus and of the .1% that didn’t id bet a wooden nickel not one of them was a healthy college kid without pre-existing medical conditions or tested positive after dying in a high speed car wreck.


While I agree with your premise, your claims are completely wrong.

The US has 1.15 million confirmed cases with roughly 66,000 deaths (which are speculated to be underreported either way). This comes out to around a 5% death rate of Americans. Also keep in mind that most states are only in the early stages of this pandemic too.

If you are focusing on how it affects college students and not the rest of the population, you are completely missing the point of having isolation to begin with. Even though younger people may not be affected nearly as much, they still can carry and spread the virus to older, more vulnerable people that absolutely will die.
 
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Wasn’t the quarantine meant to free up hospital bed space and to “flatten the curve?” Seems like we’re running from a virus that is present just like how the common cold is by staying inside.
 
I agree with JBfortunecookie. I was dreading this outcome - no intention whatsoever of making it political, as none of us knows, really, where this is going and we're all just here to help the young people who wish to serve their country to find their way.

I simply wanted to help the college kids here and their families with some valid, quality information regarding whether and which colleges would be open for on-campus instruction this fall. That's all.

MODS: Let's close this thread now, thanks.
 
There used to be a time when people could disagree and then have a beer. I disagree with a lot on this website but I’ll have a beer 🍺 anyway.
No need to lock a thread. I think colleges will be open in the fall. Others don’t. We can come back to this thread in August and see who owes whom a beer. If people can’t figure out a way to disagree and move on this country will remain in the polarized state we find ourselves.
 
While colleges are starting to announce they will be open in the fall, the fine print is that they don’t know for sure. They have a bottom line and need tuition money. If they wait too long, or say they will be all online in the fall, they risk losing millions and and destroying their freshmen class numbers (yield). I’m hopeful that my graduate (yup, they graduated seniors early this year) will be able attend in person in the fall, but no one knows for sure yet. So, hoping for the best, but he’s aware that online is a possibility for his first year.
 
It would be nice to keep a thread open for the specific situation of ROTC Cadets in college this fall. No need for policy opinions. It's a lot to learn about starting a huge university as it is and we have the added details of being an ROTC Cadet while at University. This board has been a huge help.
 
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Amazing that real talk about a dangerous virus and the need to mitigate it is deemed "political" by some.
If patriotism and the choice to serve and to defend the United States can be viewed as being above politics, then why not COVID?
 
Amazing that real talk about a dangerous virus and the need to mitigate it is deemed "political" by some.
If patriotism and the choice to serve and to defend the United States can be viewed as being above politics, then why not COVID?
Unfortunately, the comments by @cptenca and @ab24 are suspect to becoming political arguments on this thread. Not to mention "real talk" is subjective in this day and age, so I thought it better to maybe mitigate any confrontation by the possibility of closing the thread.
 
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