Rear Adm. Yvette Davids Nominated as Next Naval Academy Superintendent

Since they’re dual-mil and (I’d assume) will be co-located at Buchanan House, does this mean her husband will be assigned a flag billet somewhere in the region like the Pentagon? Honestly I’ve never even heard of a dual-mil couple at the flag level, how does that work with detailing?
 
Since they’re dual-mil and (I’d assume) will be co-located at Buchanan House, does this mean her husband will be assigned a flag billet somewhere in the region like the Pentagon? Honestly I’ve never even heard of a dual-mil couple at the flag level, how does that work with detailing?
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I would think that DoD’s Standards of Conduct Office has all the policies for “Conflict of Interest” (Nepotism) worked out … I am sure that the couple’s duties, responsibilities, personal and family interest and influence, and activities … will be under the microscope
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There have been dual-military couples in abundance in the last 40 years, and a few with at least one half of the couple at flag rank. Dual military couples, any rank, have been around for decades now. Plenty of rules to cover situations like what BAH is paid if both are in same area, do they both lose BAH if residing in same military housing (yes, they do, as my DH and I know), etc.

It’s up to them if they want to be co-located. The Navy policy is “it tries if desired.” If the couple says, “no, we’re good, each of us wants x role as part of career progression, we’ll figure out our marriage, thanks, if we are doing the geo-bachelor thing,” the Navy is fine with that.

He’s currently in command of Naval Special Warfare Command, which has no entanglement with the USNA chain of command, so no issues there. I immediately assumed he would continue his normal tour there (command!), and either go to another flag tour at same rank, be nominated for a third star himself or retire - the typical choices at that level regardless of who you are married to. At that level, flag detailing works very differently. The selection rate from 1 to 2 stars is roughly 50%, even more rarified after that. It all depends on needs of the Navy. In any given flag tour, you never know if you are retiring or being offered another role at same rank or a promotion. A senior flag calls you one day, as you are maybe 6-8 months out from an expected end of tour and says, “Joe, you’ve done a great job for the Navy as X, and we appreciate that. We are thinking you should plan your change of command and retirement ceremony for October of this year. Does that timing work okay for you and Sally?” Of course, you can request to retire and be placed on the list of retired officers at any time. As all commissioned officers with Regular commissions do, they serve at the pleasure of SECNAV. Usually those requests are granted.

I suspect if we were to lay the Admirals Davids’ career paths side-by-side, given they are in different warfare communities, and have clearly been assigned to pack-plus roles as they advanced, including flag-maker roles at the O-6 level, they may well be old hands at taking tours apart. It’s up to them.

We are long past the days when the spouse of a senior officer was expected to be a nonstop unpaid social hostess for the command spouses. No one deploys from USNA, it’s schoolhouse duty, definitely not a Fleet-paced shore command with a direct operational support mission. Busy, yes, high visibility, yes, important, yes. His presence in the military spouse role will not be critical.

She will be very busy getting to know her new role. He is busy, by definition, in his current command role. Retirement after being Supe is the norm, usually at the 3-year point, though some have stayed longer. Her husband had his incoming COC in August 2022, so he likely has at least another year to go in command. My DH had 4 operational commands when we were married and both AD, and I never asked him to leave early (Command! Something you work for and treasure.). We had several tours apart, which was something we were fine with. As I noted above, he might be offered a flag billet on OPNAV staff or at a further remove, Joint Staff, completely out of the Navy sphere. He could be told or request to retire. He could be nominated for a 3-star role himself.

No nepotism or ethics issues at all. The Navy has decades of experience ensuring married couples don’t get tangled in the same chain of command.

The only assumption I make about all of this is he will be calling her ma’am and saluting her. 🫡 🤣🤣🤣
If she retires as a 3-star from this role, even if he makes 3-star himself, she will forever be more senior, because she got there first.

As another insight into the world of FOGO (flag officer general officer), if she messes up somehow and gets fired (highly doubtful, given her sterling reputation), it’s up to the Congress at what flag rank they allow her to retire at. I think one star is the “default” permanent rank.

At this point, no assumptions can be made. They both have important jobs to do. Their marriage is theirs to conduct as they wish.
 
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There have been dual-military couples in abundance in the last 40 years, and a few with at least one half of the couple at flag rank. Dual military couples, any rank, have been around for decades now. Plenty of rules to cover situations like what BAH is paid if both are in same area, do they both lose BAH if residing in same military housing (yes, they do, as my DH and I know), etc.

It’s up to them if they want to be co-located. The Navy policy is “it tries if desired.” If the couple says, “no, we’re good, each of us wants x role as part of career progression, we’ll figure out our marriage, thanks, if we are doing the geo-bachelor thing,” the Navy is fine with that.

He’s currently in command of Naval Special Warfare Command, which has no entanglement with the USNA chain of command, so no issues there. I immediately assumed he would continue his normal tour there (command!), and either go to another flag tour at same rank, be nominated for a third star himself or retire - the typical choices at that level regardless of who you are married to. At that level, flag detailing works very differently. The selection rate from 1 to 2 stars is roughly 50%, even more rarified after that. It all depends on needs of the Navy. In any given flag tour, you never know if you are retiring or being offered another role at same rank or a promotion. A senior flag calls you one day, as you are maybe 6-8 months out from an expected end of tour and says, “Joe, you’ve done a great job for the Navy as X, and we appreciate that. We are thinking you should plan your change of command and retirement ceremony for October of this year. Does that timing work okay for you and Sally?” Of course, you can request to retire and be placed on the list of retired officers at any time. As all commissioned officers with Regular commissions do, they serve at the pleasure of SECNAV. Usually those requests are granted.

I suspect if we were to lay the Admirals Davids’ career paths side-by-side, given they are in different warfare communities, and have clearly been assigned to pack-plus roles as they advanced, including flag-maker roles at the O-6 level, they may well be old hands at taking tours apart. It’s up to them.

We are long past the days when the spouse of a senior officer was expected to be a nonstop unpaid social hostess for the command spouses. No one deploys from USNA, it’s schoolhouse duty, definitely not a Fleet-paced shore command with a direct operational support mission. Busy, yes, high visibility, yes, important, yes. His presence in the military spouse role will not be critical.

She will be very busy getting to know her new role. He is busy, by definition, in his current command role. Retirement after being Supe is the norm, usually at the 3-year point, though some have stayed longer. Her husband had his incoming COC in August 2022, so he likely has at least another year to go in command. My DH had 4 operational commands when we were married and both AD, and I never asked him to leave early (Command! Something you work for and treasure.). We had several tours apart, which was something we were fine with. As I noted above, he might be offered a flag billet on OPNAV staff or at a further remove, Joint Staff, completely out of the Navy sphere. He could be told or request to retire. He could be nominated for a 3-star role himself.

No nepotism or ethics issues at all. The Navy has decades of experience ensuring married couples don’t get tangled in the same chain of command.

The only assumption I make about all of this is he will be calling her ma’am and saluting her. 🫡 🤣🤣🤣
If she retires as a 3-star from this role, even if he makes 3-star himself, she will forever be more senior, because she got there first.

As another insight into the world of FOGO (flag officer general officer), if she messes up somehow and gets fired (highly doubtful, given her sterling reputation), it’s up to the Congress at what flag rank they allow her to retire at. I think one star is the “default” permanent rank.

At this point, no assumptions can be made. They both have important jobs to do. Their marriage is theirs to conduct as they wish.
Two comments for you.

First, I'm pretty sure that the enabling agreement that pegged the Supe's job at 3 stars along with USMA and USAFA also set the standard Supe tour length at 4 years. Sean Buck took the helm in 2019 so this summer makes it four yrs.

I know of at least one other Admiral-Admiral couple, Tim Moon from "79" and Robin Graf. I did know Tim a bit from USNA and also
from industry and Robin drilled at the same reserve center as I did and we served on a couple of Admin Boards together.

I saw elsewhere that the COC is scheduled for 7 July, we'll have to see if that happens on time.
 
Two comments for you.

First, I'm pretty sure that the enabling agreement that pegged the Supe's job at 3 stars along with USMA and USAFA also set the standard Supe tour length at 4 years. Sean Buck took the helm in 2019 so this summer makes it four yrs.

I know of at least one other Admiral-Admiral couple, Tim Moon from "79" and Robin Graf. I did know Tim a bit from USNA and also
from industry and Robin drilled at the same reserve center as I did and we served on a couple of Admin Boards together.

I saw elsewhere that the COC is scheduled for 7 July, we'll have to see if that happens on time.
I was sure if at least 3, and thought maybe 4. There’s been a rash of “early departures” in the last decade or so.

The Reserve admiral variation has certainly been done.
 
Is someone’s career public? I’ve wondered what the previous Dant ended up doing. The #DantDad. Not being nosey but curious as he was Dant during a really interesting time. And a big social media user (which I thought was interesting, too).
 
Is someone’s career public? I’ve wondered what the previous Dant ended up doing. The #DantDad. Not being nosey but curious as he was Dant during a really interesting time. And a big social media user (which I thought was interesting, too).
you can always good their official Navy or service bio. Or look for their LinkedIn profile.
 
Is someone’s career public? I’ve wondered what the previous Dant ended up doing.
I stand corrected: VADM Carter was indeed the Supe. Typed too fast. (Hat tip to @usna1985.) Now corrected.

The prior SUPE is VADM Carter. He became head of the University of Nebraska (not just the Lincoln campus, but the whole system). DW and I were under the white tent during a plebe summer parade two years ago. He was there as a guest of honor, dressed in a civilian suit with red tie (of course), sitting just a few yards away from us. He and Mrs. Carter looked quite pleased.

The prior DANT was CAPT Buchanan, a submariner, who midway through DD’s time there was given a star.
 
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The reason the Supe situation is as it is today is due to the EE cheating scandal of the early 1990s. Prior to that, the Supe was a rising star. Usually a 2-star on his way to more — in the case of RADM Larson, he went on to 4 stars. Occasionally, an exemplary 3-star getting a nice job on his way out (see VADM Lawrence). After the cheating scandal, TPTB decided that Supes should be fully focused on the Academy, not their next job. And do what is best for the SA, not their personal careers.

So the carrot was the 3rd star. The stick was the requirement to retire after your tour (unless Congress approves o/w).

Larson came back as a 4-star to “right the ship” after the cheating scandal. GEN Goodpastor did something similar at USMA years ago.

And VADM Carter was a Supe, not a Dant.
 
To be clear, I’m curious about the previous Dant 😆.

I’ve seen VADM Carter, as President of the University of Nebraska.
 
I stand corrected: VADM Carter was indeed the Supe. Typed too fast. (Hat tip to @usna1985.) Now corrected.
The prior DANT was CAPT Buchanan, a submariner, who midway through DD’s time there was given a star.
RADM Buchanan is now commanding a submarine group. (I’ve never responded to myself before. 🥴)
 
Her firstie pic from the 1989 Lucky Bag.

Bet she never thought she’d be back as The Supe! Now she’ll be taking the salutes at parades, instead of sailing backdrop.

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I don't know for sure as I wasn't there then but the Intercollegiate (Dinghy) team was usually nowhere near the backdrop
area during the regular parade season when I was a mid. "Special" parades like graduation week were a different story.
Considering her and her husband's place on the team, I'd venture a guess that was the case with them as well.
 
I don't know for sure as I wasn't there then but the Intercollegiate (Dinghy) team was usually nowhere near the backdrop
area during the regular parade season when I was a mid. "Special" parades like graduation week were a different story.
Considering her and her husband's place on the team, I'd venture a guess that was the case with them as well.
I knew you would have the sailing skinny.
 
I stand corrected: VADM Carter was indeed the Supe. Typed too fast. (Hat tip to @usna1985.) Now corrected.

The prior SUPE is VADM Carter. He became head of the University of Nebraska (not just the Lincoln campus, but the whole system). DW and I were under the white tent during a plebe summer parade two years ago. He was there as a guest of honor, dressed in a civilian suit with red tie (of course), sitting just a few yards away from us. He and Mrs. Carter looked quite pleased.

The prior DANT was CAPT Buchanan, a submariner, who midway through DD’s time there was given a star.
My Husker work colleagues remind me that their colors aren't red & white but scarlet & cream. So he must have been wearing a scarlet tie.
 
I second CAPT Meyers' observations. A truly outstanding officer and inclusive leader to work for, bringing a lot of energy to every single facet that you can possibly think of. Additionally, plebe-to-bes better be in good shape, don't want to get out-PT'd by a VADM during plebe summer.
 
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