Recruiting Shortfalls

An e-2 with less than 2 years of service makes, as I read the chart, over $24,000 a year today. Plus housing, plus deployment pay, etc. including full medical , professional job training, and educational bonus, and a very good retirement program.

Exactly how much more will we have to pay to entice an 18 yo with a HS or ged education to join in this days market to compete with the private sector?.

I don’t think the issue is just pay. I think it’s the military part of military pay.
Pay is an issue, but weighs more heavily on retention than initial recruitment. Compared to civilian compensation, military pay is generally most competitive in the first 5 years, but after that the gap widens substantially. It is still a problem for initial recruitment when the military has trouble competing with the lowest levels of unskilled labor.

E-2 less than 2 years: $24,000/year = $11.54 per hour for a 40 hour work week. Long hours and no overtime pay. Barracks housing. Mediocre retirement plan compared to what postal workers, police, and fire fighters.

Our local Chick fil A is offering starting pay of $15.50 - $19.50/hour with time and a half for overtime, vacation pay, subsidized healthcare, 401K plan, college course discounts and some tuition assistance.
 
I would guess the Rand Corp has drilled down on where the "real" problem is -- whether in certain fields, re-enlistment, retirement, etc. etc. etc. -- so until I see that I'll hold my powder on the details. But this front-door issue mentioned in the WSJ article, I think, describes a considerable problem --

"The Department of Defense said 77% of American youth are disqualified from military service due to a lack of physical fitness, low test scores, criminal records including drug use or other problems. In 2013, about 71% of youth were ineligible."

Make no mistake, that 6% reduction of enlistables in just the last 10 years is a large amount of people. 6% of 18-year-olds amounts to more than 250,000 kids (and only people age 18, not 17 or 19, etc.) who were eligible 10 years ago but are not now. Then multiply that for the population between, say, 18-25, and you're talking about 2 million young adults who aren't enlistable now, but were enlistable 10 years ago. That's a big, recent, and growing problem.
 
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Shoutout to all the JROTC HS programs … what’s wrong with promoting this some more …. Too few programs …. The goal should be every other HS … 1 out of 2 … so that the option becomes available to more students

Our DD opted out of her bus route HS to attend a close by HS that has the NJROTC program … we drove her to and from the HS for the first year and half until she got her drivers license.
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I can't believe that there aren't more programs. The schools shouldn't have to pay for the program but they do have to pay for a large part of it. The DOD should have programs, if not at every school they should have a regional model and change the format. It wouldn't be that hard to do and would increase the quality and pool of applicants.

I also agree that ADHD medication and certain injuries need to be re-categorized.
 
Another source of the medical DQ’s: our current medical system. Which is Waaaaaay different than when I was a kiddo. Back in my day, I went to a doc that had a private practice. And worked his craft.

Nowadays, the medical field is driven by insurance companies, which require a doc to put a kid in a certain box. Wheezing? Asthma. Gregarious youngster? ADHD. Itching? Eczema.

We were fortunate to have a (older and wise) pediatrician who warned us about ‘labeling’. He instead would treat something as symptomatic. Before checking a box. He said ‘ once you put a label on it it’s there forever.’ And that often kids grow out of things. BEST ADVICE ever. That I share with more parents.

Nowadays, we have new generations of trained medical professionals, working under the current system of healthcare (check the box, which creates the label…). With the added piece of parent obtaining info on the Internet, pressing for the label (I witnessed this in my own new momma daughter). Thinking they are doing the right thing.
Which begins the medical records that will someday potentially come into play (joining the military. Or preexisting conditions, to name a few).

I believe this to also be part of the root issue.

One of my kids could have been given medication for adhd. But with guidance, we worked through it via different methods. He grew out of his attention issue. But easily could have been labeled and medicated. He is thriving. And no issues after some maturity. But others would go the medical route.

OBVIOUSLY this is not saying to not seek medical treatment. At all. That’s NOT my point. My point is that medicine/lawyers/insurance companies/internet have all played a role in creating a different medical environment than back in my day. I do think this plays into the current ‘qualified’ challenges.
 
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Shoutout to all the JROTC HS programs … what’s wrong with promoting this some more …. Too few programs …. The goal should be every other HS … 1 out of 2 … so that the option becomes available to more students

Our DD opted out of her bus route HS to attend a close by HS that has the NJROTC program … we drove her to and from the HS for the first year and half until she got her drivers license.
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And US Naval Sea Cadets too! They can start as young as 10 and stay through HS. LOTS of opportunities to explore different military careers, etc. 25% go officer after graduation and 40% enlist. AND they can enlist at a higher rate. Friend's son went in as an E3 straight out of boot.
 
Here's an article published on Bloomberg this morning by James Stavridis, retired U.S. Navy admiral and former supreme allied commander of NATO.

By James Stavridis

July 4, 2023 at 8:00 AM EDT

5:23

America’s armed services are failing to meet their recruiting goals, with the Army in particular suffering the worst shortfalls in five decades. There are many reasons behind this, but one is very surprising: veterans themselves.

Recent reporting and anecdotal evidence indicate the likelihood that children of service members will sign up, or be urged to do so by their families, is at a nadir. Given that 80% of new recruits have a relative who served in uniform, there is no understating the crisis.

When I came out of high school in 1972, the draft had just ended and America was embarking on a great experiment: an all-volunteer force. As someone who grew up in the military (my father was a career infantry officer in the Marines, retiring as a colonel in 1970 after distinguished combat in Korea and Vietnam), following the family trade was a foregone conclusion. But as I entered the Naval Academy on a hot summer’s day half a century ago, it was entirely unclear if the volunteer force would succeed.

After a bumpy post-draft period, the military was rejuvenated under President Ronald Reagan in early 1980s, becoming the highly successful force that fought the nation’s battles from Panama to the Persian Gulf. Yet the foundations of that all-volunteer military feel shakier than they have for decades. What can the Pentagon do about it?

The first step is to understand why recruiting is down. The biggest factor is probably today’s very strong civilian job market. In so many ways, life is “compared to what?” If someone can make a starter wage of $20-plus an hour, perhaps with a decent healthcare plan and a 401K, it is simply much harder to convince them to shave their head, report to a steaming Parris Island boot camp, meet rigorous physical standards, get up before dawn every day, and prepare for long separations from their friends and family, often in risky conditions.

Another factor, counterintuitively to many, is the withdrawal of the US from large-scale, active war. Some young people have always been drawn to what they see as the enormous life-test of combat, as well as the adventure of deploying to distant lands. The dispiriting images of the chaotic withdrawal from Afghanistan in 2021 shattered that image for many.

Additionally, the bar to get into the military is high. Only 25% of the nation’s youth can meet the standards: a high school diploma or equivalent; reasonably high standardized test scores; physical fitness; no drug use or arrest record; mental stability. The Pentagon is competing with universities and the private sector for a small segment of each year’s high-school graduates. It didn’t help that recruiters were unable to go onto campuses for two years during the Covid pandemic.

Additionally, the right-wing media hypes and decries the supposedly “woke” activities of the armed forces. Many critics on the left characterized the missions in Iraq and Afghanistan as imperialistic misadventures. Neither of those narratives is accurate, but they have a discouraging effect on recruiting.

Finally, the growing sense of political division across the nation is diminishing the young person’s faith in America. This may be the most disturbing factor of all, and the one that ultimately defeats the all-volunteer force. The respect for the military overall, still atop the list of the country’s institutions, has been dropping sharply. Fewer than half of Americans now say they “trust” the armed forces, down from 70% just five years ago.

The Pentagon needs to reverse these trends or there will be grave risk to national security in an era of great-power competition. Fortunately, planning and executing complex campaigns is something the Department of Defense is very good at.

First, just as any good company knows when it needs to focus on marketing and advertising in the face of falling market share, the military must send its brightest and most impressive personnel to lead recruiting efforts; provide additional resources to generate leads (artificial intelligence can perhaps help); re-tailor marketing campaigns to appeal directly to the most promising and untapped communities; assign inspirational two-star generals and admirals to lead the services’ recruiting commands; and provide incentives for success — give the most successful recruiters the choice of their next assignment, for example.

As for quality-of-life criticisms: Barracks need to be spotless and well run; food in the chow halls must be plentiful and reflective of new trends and appetites; medical treatment has to be first-rate; and pay/benefit packages must more than keep pace with inflation. (Fortunately, Congress just approved a 5% pay raise, the biggest in two decades).

The Pentagon could also broaden the recruiting base in innovative ways. During my career, many of the best sailors I encountered were from the Philippines, who had been convinced to join the Navy as a path to citizenship. There were strong historical reasons for that program — including the pre-World War II colonial relationship, not America’s finest hour. It’s time to think about a broader program along those lines, perhaps looking to Central and South America.

Above all, we as a nation we need to do more to encourage the idea of service. A pledge to honor the Constitution rises above the rancor and bitter divisions in the country — something America’s veterans know but seem to be less willing or able to instill in their children. On this Independence Day especially, we need to thank our troops for their sacrifice, sincerely and continuously. America’s security in a dangerous world depends on it.
 
Here's an article published on Bloomberg this morning by James Stavridis, retired U.S. Navy admiral and former supreme allied commander of NATO.

By James Stavridis

July 4, 2023 at 8:00 AM EDT

Additionally, the right-wing media hypes and decries the supposedly “woke” activities of the armed forces.
Fine, but I don't think self-promotion like this is going to help recruiting.

 
So many inputs to this recruiting crisis, but I narrow it down to this one root cause: Most Americans now take their country for granted.

Through indoctrination or ignorance or indifference — pick one or pick all — we’ve become a nation that’s lost understanding and appreciation of how good we have it. Not good just in the material sense, but good in the sense of freedom and liberty and equality. The equality part is at the forefront these days, with so many thinking only of surface considerations in a quest for equal outcomes. But make no mistake, no country in the world affords its citizens greater “equal opportunity” than ours.

I — and my family — probably appreciate this country more because we’re relatively recent arrivals to these shores. DD and DS wrote very sincerely of this appreciation in their SA and ROTC applications. All four of their grandparents were born abroad — two amid despotic conditions, two amid colonialism. They (or their parents) came to America in search of greater opportunity. That is, as The Wall Street Journal puts it, “free markets, free peoples.”

They experienced the American dream. So did their children. And now their grandchildren. Those grandchildren — my DD and DS — are rooted in this history. They do not take their freedom and liberty for granted. They’ve lived abroad and traveled abroad — Europe, Asia, Latin America — so they’ve seen some of what less-than-free looks like.

One of their grandfathers passed away last year. At his funeral, the service was conducted largely in the language and faith of his native country (one that’s very much in the news today). His casket was draped with the flag of his adopted country — the one he served as a GI in Korea (with the GI Bill later affording him an education). As the ceremony closed, two soldiers folded that flag. One of them presented it to his widow. And then the other played the sorrowful notes of “Taps” on a bugle.

It marked the end of one American dream — one that was well fulfilled and now passed on. God bless those who, even now, step forward because they appreciate and understand the goodness of our nation. It’s truly one of a kind — the shining city on a hill, as Ronald Reagan put it. Sadly, it will probably take another national-security crisis (think 9/11) to wake us from our apathetic slumber.
 
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Here's an article published on Bloomberg this morning by James Stavridis, retired U.S. Navy admiral and former supreme allied commander of NATO.

By James Stavridis

July 4, 2023 at 8:00 AM EDT

5:23

America’s armed services are failing to meet their recruiting goals, with the Army in particular suffering the worst shortfalls in five decades. There are many reasons behind this, but one is very surprising: veterans themselves.

Recent reporting and anecdotal evidence indicate the likelihood that children of service members will sign up, or be urged to do so by their families, is at a nadir. Given that 80% of new recruits have a relative who served in uniform, there is no understating the crisis.

When I came out of high school in 1972, the draft had just ended and America was embarking on a great experiment: an all-volunteer force. As someone who grew up in the military (my father was a career infantry officer in the Marines, retiring as a colonel in 1970 after distinguished combat in Korea and Vietnam), following the family trade was a foregone conclusion. But as I entered the Naval Academy on a hot summer’s day half a century ago, it was entirely unclear if the volunteer force would succeed.

After a bumpy post-draft period, the military was rejuvenated under President Ronald Reagan in early 1980s, becoming the highly successful force that fought the nation’s battles from Panama to the Persian Gulf. Yet the foundations of that all-volunteer military feel shakier than they have for decades. What can the Pentagon do about it?

The first step is to understand why recruiting is down. The biggest factor is probably today’s very strong civilian job market. In so many ways, life is “compared to what?” If someone can make a starter wage of $20-plus an hour, perhaps with a decent healthcare plan and a 401K, it is simply much harder to convince them to shave their head, report to a steaming Parris Island boot camp, meet rigorous physical standards, get up before dawn every day, and prepare for long separations from their friends and family, often in risky conditions.

Another factor, counterintuitively to many, is the withdrawal of the US from large-scale, active war. Some young people have always been drawn to what they see as the enormous life-test of combat, as well as the adventure of deploying to distant lands. The dispiriting images of the chaotic withdrawal from Afghanistan in 2021 shattered that image for many.

Additionally, the bar to get into the military is high. Only 25% of the nation’s youth can meet the standards: a high school diploma or equivalent; reasonably high standardized test scores; physical fitness; no drug use or arrest record; mental stability. The Pentagon is competing with universities and the private sector for a small segment of each year’s high-school graduates. It didn’t help that recruiters were unable to go onto campuses for two years during the Covid pandemic.

Additionally, the right-wing media hypes and decries the supposedly “woke” activities of the armed forces. Many critics on the left characterized the missions in Iraq and Afghanistan as imperialistic misadventures. Neither of those narratives is accurate, but they have a discouraging effect on recruiting.

Finally, the growing sense of political division across the nation is diminishing the young person’s faith in America. This may be the most disturbing factor of all, and the one that ultimately defeats the all-volunteer force. The respect for the military overall, still atop the list of the country’s institutions, has been dropping sharply. Fewer than half of Americans now say they “trust” the armed forces, down from 70% just five years ago.

The Pentagon needs to reverse these trends or there will be grave risk to national security in an era of great-power competition. Fortunately, planning and executing complex campaigns is something the Department of Defense is very good at.

First, just as any good company knows when it needs to focus on marketing and advertising in the face of falling market share, the military must send its brightest and most impressive personnel to lead recruiting efforts; provide additional resources to generate leads (artificial intelligence can perhaps help); re-tailor marketing campaigns to appeal directly to the most promising and untapped communities; assign inspirational two-star generals and admirals to lead the services’ recruiting commands; and provide incentives for success — give the most successful recruiters the choice of their next assignment, for example.

As for quality-of-life criticisms: Barracks need to be spotless and well run; food in the chow halls must be plentiful and reflective of new trends and appetites; medical treatment has to be first-rate; and pay/benefit packages must more than keep pace with inflation. (Fortunately, Congress just approved a 5% pay raise, the biggest in two decades).

The Pentagon could also broaden the recruiting base in innovative ways. During my career, many of the best sailors I encountered were from the Philippines, who had been convinced to join the Navy as a path to citizenship. There were strong historical reasons for that program — including the pre-World War II colonial relationship, not America’s finest hour. It’s time to think about a broader program along those lines, perhaps looking to Central and South America.

Above all, we as a nation we need to do more to encourage the idea of service. A pledge to honor the Constitution rises above the rancor and bitter divisions in the country — something America’s veterans know but seem to be less willing or able to instill in their children. On this Independence Day especially, we need to thank our troops for their sacrifice, sincerely and continuously. America’s security in a dangerous world depends on it.
Thank you!! The below paragraph, plus extremely low pay in the lower enlisted ranks, pretty much sums it up.
"Additionally, the bar to get into the military is high. Only 25% of the nation’s youth can meet the standards: a high school diploma or equivalent; reasonably high standardized test scores; physical fitness; no drug use or arrest record; mental stability. The Pentagon is competing with universities and the private sector for a small segment of each year’s high-school graduates. It didn’t help that recruiters were unable to go onto campuses for two years during the Covid pandemic."
 
Agree with what’s been said. Quality of life and pay for enlisted need to be re-invested in to compete with the private sector. I bet the Navy is doing what it can given its limited resources but hopefully Congress steps up funding-wise. Could be a culture thing too—I’ve witnessed junior enlisted get absolutely torn into by their supervisors for making minor mistakes. There’s holding people accountable, and then there’s just being an A-hole. Sailors remember moments like that vividly when their re-enlistment papers come up. As for the “woke” issue…It doesn’t even matter whether it’s real or not, the perception does definitely exist, and the military is often not doing itself any favors with some of the public affairs strategies—I think they’re trying to appeal more broadly to gen Z, but it seems like the messaging is geared towards people who mostly won’t consider joining anyway, while alienating the traditional recruiting pool.

Also, did ADM Stavridis really say Iraq was NOT a “misadventure”? That’s putting it mildly as far as I’m concerned…I agree with his other points though.
 
Agree with what’s been said. Quality of life and pay for enlisted need to be re-invested in to compete with the private sector. I bet the Navy is doing what it can given its limited resources but hopefully Congress steps up funding-wise. Could be a culture thing too—I’ve witnessed junior enlisted get absolutely torn into by their supervisors for making minor mistakes. There’s holding people accountable, and then there’s just being an A-hole. Sailors remember moments like that vividly when their re-enlistment papers come up. As for the “woke” issue…It doesn’t even matter whether it’s real or not, the perception does definitely exist, and the military is often not doing itself any favors with some of the public affairs strategies—I think they’re trying to appeal more broadly to gen Z, but it seems like the messaging is geared towards people who mostly won’t consider joining anyway, while alienating the traditional recruiting pool.

Also, did ADM Stavridis really say Iraq was NOT a “misadventure”? That’s putting it mildly as far as I’m concerned…I agree with his other points though.
If you fish a lake for years then it stops being a productive place to fish you need to find a different lake if catching fish is important to you.

I am not suggesting they will join but how do we know if they have never been a target audience for recruiting or were actively forbidden to join in the past?

It seems clear that over the past years the traditional recruiting pools are not doing the job.
 
Pay is an issue, but weighs more heavily on retention than initial recruitment. Compared to civilian compensation, military pay is generally most competitive in the first 5 years, but after that the gap widens substantially. It is still a problem for initial recruitment when the military has trouble competing with the lowest levels of unskilled labor.

E-2 less than 2 years: $24,000/year = $11.54 per hour for a 40 hour work week. Long hours and no overtime pay. Barracks housing. Mediocre retirement plan compared to what postal workers, police, and fire fighters.

Our local Chick fil A is offering starting pay of $15.50 - $19.50/hour with time and a half for overtime, vacation pay, subsidized healthcare, 401K plan, college course discounts and some tuition assistance.
Don't underestimate food and lodging as a benefit. Compared to a typical 18 yo's the compensation is not bad. And there's that GI Bill at the end of it. I don't worry about E-2s. I do worry about senior NCOs who I believe are under-compensated and worry about the over-all shift in retirement plans. I would have bailed on the military before retirement if this had been my outcome.
 
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The madness.

Just saw a quote from a US Forest Service official that was something about the uptick in firings of employees because of failed MJ tests. Attributed to all the states that now have legal MJ

As of July 1 there are legal MJ stores all around my house.

MJ is just not that big a deal to most of the country today. But many do know that if you do toke you will be DQd from the US military. They may not understand wavers but they do know it DQs them from enlisting.

Millions of Americans impacted by this.
 
I believe that the woke perception is real and it's making a big dent in numbers.

The conservative, blue-collar families that have been sending their kids to the military for generations are, for the first time, seeing a chasm opening between the US military's values and their own. Families that used to inculcate a sense of pride in military service to their children are now speaking negatively about the current direction and priorities of our armed forces. That has impact at the recruiting offices.
 
I sincerely doubt that the US Military is going to be able to compete for 18-20 year olds with the private sector in terms of compensation. They are losing now and there's no way Congress (in its current or likely future make up) can authorize enough funds for a 300+ ship Navy (for example) and increases in pay. Case in point - my youngest son (in community college) makes more in a part-time (full time in summer) job than my newly minted JO from USNA. Benefits? My youngest son gets full medical, vacation, sick pay, time-and-a-half for over 8 hrs each day and/or over 40 a week. Also, he gets some clothing (including winter gear), free golf at municipal golf courses, retirement plan, and substantially reduced fairs on all public transportation. What does he do? He works for the parks department supervising kids in after-school and summer school programs. In our midwest city, minimum wage is $20/hr and nobody can hire because we are at 3.5% unemployment. Most kids aren't stupid - they understand that a $30,000 a year part-time, 40-hour a week (or usually less) job is a way better deal than an 80-hour (or more) week job that pays less, even factoring in the so-called benefits.

To meet manpower needs, the military is going to have to be creative in ways they haven't typically exhibited. Money won't do it - not the kind of money that will make a difference. It's an insufficient motivator. Seems that the offer of learning a marketable skill is not doing it, either.

I don't think a lot of people with military backgrounds appreciate how little the military is seen in many northern states (especially away from the coasts). In a state with over 4-million people, we have zero military bases and less than 200 active-duty residents (most are probably recruiters).
Other than people we've met through our USNA parents' club, we have NEVER met a parent with a child in the military (enlisted or officer) that lives in our city - not once in the 33 years we have lived in our city (of over 300,000). Not amongst my co-workers, clients, neighbors, and friends. Not in youth sports, not in Scouts, not in school. It seems the military has a visible presence in the southern and western states (the so-called "southern smile") but is basically invisible in many northern states - (who, at the risk of over-generalizing, tend to have youth populations that are generally more physically fit and as a whole, score higher on standardized tests). The base closing initiatives of the 1980's and 1990's wiped out any chance that you would run into an active-duty service person in our region. They shut them ALL down and now they are Superfund sites - that's our DoD funding. The idea of choosing the military as a career or an initial stepping stone to adulthood in our state is just not on the table. The military is nearly invisible here. When I was a Scout leader, we wanted to tour a military facility as part of Citizenship in the Nation merit badge. We had to settle for visiting a group of (very) retired guys working on restoring airplanes for the Commemorative Air Force. People can complain about "wokeness" etc. and there is certainly some of that going around but the fact remains, the military does a really bad job of being "seen" and relevant to military-age youth and young adults - and it has NOTHING to do with recruitment efforts and everything to do with irrelevancy. Young people aspire to become like the adults around them.
 
I sincerely doubt that the US Military is going to be able to compete for 18-20 year olds with the private sector in terms of compensation. They are losing now and there's no way Congress (in its current or likely future make up) can authorize enough funds for a 300+ ship Navy (for example) and increases in pay. Case in point - my youngest son (in community college) makes more in a part-time (full time in summer) job than my newly minted JO from USNA. Benefits? My youngest son gets full medical, vacation, sick pay, time-and-a-half for over 8 hrs each day and/or over 40 a week. Also, he gets some clothing (including winter gear), free golf at municipal golf courses, retirement plan, and substantially reduced fairs on all public transportation. What does he do? He works for the parks department supervising kids in after-school and summer school programs. In our midwest city, minimum wage is $20/hr and nobody can hire because we are at 3.5% unemployment. Most kids aren't stupid - they understand that a $30,000 a year part-time, 40-hour a week (or usually less) job is a way better deal than an 80-hour (or more) week job that pays less, even factoring in the so-called benefits.

To meet manpower needs, the military is going to have to be creative in ways they haven't typically exhibited. Money won't do it - not the kind of money that will make a difference. It's an insufficient motivator. Seems that the offer of learning a marketable skill is not doing it, either.

I don't think a lot of people with military backgrounds appreciate how little the military is seen in many northern states (especially away from the coasts). In a state with over 4-million people, we have zero military bases and less than 200 active-duty residents (most are probably recruiters).
Other than people we've met through our USNA parents' club, we have NEVER met a parent with a child in the military (enlisted or officer) that lives in our city - not once in the 33 years we have lived in our city (of over 300,000). Not amongst my co-workers, clients, neighbors, and friends. Not in youth sports, not in Scouts, not in school. It seems the military has a visible presence in the southern and western states (the so-called "southern smile") but is basically invisible in many northern states - (who, at the risk of over-generalizing, tend to have youth populations that are generally more physically fit and as a whole, score higher on standardized tests). The base closing initiatives of the 1980's and 1990's wiped out any chance that you would run into an active-duty service person in our region. They shut them ALL down and now they are Superfund sites - that's our DoD funding. The idea of choosing the military as a career or an initial stepping stone to adulthood in our state is just not on the table. The military is nearly invisible here. When I was a Scout leader, we wanted to tour a military facility as part of Citizenship in the Nation merit badge. We had to settle for visiting a group of (very) retired guys working on restoring airplanes for the Commemorative Air Force. People can complain about "wokeness" etc. and there is certainly some of that going around but the fact remains, the military does a really bad job of being "seen" and relevant to military-age youth and young adults - and it has NOTHING to do with recruitment efforts and everything to do with irrelevancy. Young people aspire to become like the adults around them.

I agree with the above, and to add to that many people today want the "life balance" when looking for employment. Overtime, don't even ask. Weekends, no way. Do anything other that what I'm hired to do, not gonna happen.

Thats the culture of many workers these days, not just young workers. Does not exactly sound like something you could find in the military.
 
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